One thing I have been noticing more and more is the very passive way some people look for work. For instance, "Dude A" posts a job offer looking for a mixing or mastering engineer, "Dude A" also makes it clear to pm or email him about the job offer. "Dude B" (engineer looking to get hired) replies to the thread or post with their own email address and says "email me".
Maybe I'm old fashioned....maybe I was just raised differently....but in this world with as much competition as there is for work, the first thing that comes to my mind is, "this person really doesn't want the job". Because if they did, they would be aggressive enough to actually email the person looking to hire someone instead of insisting that the person offering the job (MONEY) email them.
It's beginning to make more and more sense to me why some people don't get much work but complain about it.
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If I needed work, I would do anything ESPECIALLY contacting the offer with all the related information NEATLY organized and readable at a glace.
If for some reason the job was somehow 'beneath me' but offered. I would then refer the job to one of my MANY HUNGRY, STARVING and competent fellow engineers, forwarding their information to the offer and politely informing them of my "busy schedule" and continued interest in their project.
I get the whole " I don't need work" vibe but it maybe could be interpreted as rude or even UN-professional by another client or associate.- Just maybe
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..."I've just graduated from (wherever) and been looking for a job. Nobody has hired me yet, so if you have a job out there and are looking for someone...contact me"
Yes...we are going to skip over all the people who sent in resumes/CV's/cover letters and took the time to put a concerted effort to compete for a job......and just pick someone at random.
I don't think they really grasp the concept of how competitive things are.....in many fields. I have applied for many teaching jobs over the last 3-4 years and it is over saturated unless you're in special ed, math or foreign language (spanish/chinese). I put in 22 full applications/resume/letter/license/docs one summer. 1 interview.
Had a friend apply for a teaching gig last year...she has a masters. She got an interview out of 400!!! applicants....for an elementary ed job. 4th/5th grade. Didn't get hired there. Many of them don't even say "Thanks, but it's filled" when the job closes or give any job close dates...and leave you wondering.
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It's not being lazy it's a specific tactic to pick up business.
As a professional, he is saying "I don't need a "job" but if you need work done here's my number."
When the person with the add receives a couple of dozen slightly handicapped emails and is subscribed to multiple forms of spam generators he may just email that guy from the original post and say cover this shift or handle this group or I really need my dunny's scrubbed... Who knows.
Employer - I need someone to do something for money. If you're interested, please pm me or email me at getajob @ yahoo dot com.
Job seeker- I can help you. email me here: idonthaveaclue @ gmail dot com
If they said "do not post your request here" and then they did, it's a different case of not following simple directions.
Exactly, when we advertise a job we say to email a different address because if you can't follow a simple instruction like that, what will happen when we ask you to do something that matters?
As for "pretending to be the boss figure" ..... yes I'm the f**king boss. Don't like that don't take the job.
Also, what is the difference between posting your email in his face with clear intentions of doing the work and sending him a private email with the words "I want to work for you, this is my email"?
At the end of the day the employer gets all the information either way.
If they said "do not post your request here" and then they did, it's a different case of not following simple directions.
To me it seems like the people getting uppity are pretending to be the boss figure in this situation and have immediately started with ******** little hoops for there performing monkeys to jump through. Like, go to the woods down by the river and leave a detailed resume printed on paper in binary code suited for the word doc format wrapped in plastic inside a tin buried under a red brick amongst bluestone cobbles and then I will asses you for duties like cleaning my shit and collecting food for me to turn into shit for you to clean later.
The simple direction is "email me" and then the person posting on thread isn't following it.
Why would that be someone you'd want to employ?
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If someone would answer my job posting with just their email and words "email me", their email would end up in trash. I can't say I know a single employer in any field who would treat it any other way.
At the same time I don't know anyone over 20 who would be dumb enough to answer a job posting like that.
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If someone would answer my job posting with just their email and words "email me", their email would end up in trash. I can't say I know a single employer in any field who would treat it any other way.
At the same time I don't know anyone over 20 who would be dumb enough to answer a job posting like that.
It happens way more than you think. Which is why I brought it up in the first place.
The way I see it, the industry is in such a bad state that you just can't possibly be working in it and not be aware of how badly over saturated it is. What that means is that people with one liner email/replies to job posts are either completely clueless about audio industry, or just not very bright. I, for one, don't care to check which one it is, a person who doesn't show some minimal effort to make me want to hire them is just not worth my time.
What all this boils down to is one group of people getting another group of people to conform in even more ordinary ways than the day before.
What happens if you post up looking for someone to run your mixing desk who is an absolute mental case when it comes to written communication but is a savant at twiddling knobs? You miss out on them and luckily they miss out on you.
Because they need to follow instructions on the most basic level. I need my business to be run the way I want, operating a mixing desk is the easy bit, social skills are the key and communication is fundamental to that.
You have to conform to my way of doing things if you work for me, and most of it is pretty ordinary.
I know plenty of chaotic geniuses who really do know how to run a desk but I can't be sure they will turn up to work when they need to.
Verbal communication, unless you want them emailing clients and running the show... Social skills are social skills and talking is talking. You have to meet someone to see those skills and hear them talk. You also have to take into account that today communication is a lot more informal than the past especially on the internet...
This thread which stands to point and laugh at people who are either so self concentric or just plain stupid to not know how to come at someone is petty.
The simple fact I can troll up so many bites shines a bright light on the types of people who gravitate toward management and to the petty games they play.
I say who cares which way someone else chooses to promote themselves.
I say have a look at yourself before you point and laugh at another.
Troll up so many bites?
That's cool, from people who are trying to give you a bit of an insight into what decisions they make when hiring so you can make your job search as effective as possible.
That is assuming you are seeking work (which we all are, all the time) not just trolling for fun..... isn't that against forum rules? But then you don't appear to do instructions....
To me it seems like the people getting uppity are pretending to be the boss figure in this situation and have immediately started with ******** little hoops for there performing monkeys to jump through.
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Originally Posted by AyA
This thread which stands to point and laugh at people who are either so self concentric or just plain stupid to not know how to come at someone is petty.
The simple fact I can troll up so many bites shines a bright light on the types of people who gravitate toward management and to the petty games they play.
I say who cares which way someone else chooses to promote themselves. I say have a look at yourself before you point and laugh at another.
I enjoy discussions where people can disagree. It gives me an opportunity to learn.
However, you've brought in the word "uppity" (which I have no idea what you mean by that) and the phrase "point and laugh" into a discussion where it doesn't belong.
No one is laughing here. As the OP, I was being 100% serious. I see 2 things happening these days. A lot of complaining about not getting work and a lot of very passive approaches towards trying to get work. I don't like the name of this forum being called "Moan Zone" because this isn't a moan. It's an observation from someone who doesn't understand this passive attitude + the complaints of not finding work.
My point was simple. If you want work, you have to be pro-active. More pro-active than the next guy.
If you can't understand what I'm saying, that's completely fine. If you do understand what I'm saying and disagree, that's also completely fine.
But if are accusing me or others of being "uppity" (WTF?) and "pointing and laughing", you're not only 1000% wrong but I can't give you any respect in this discussion because you're making an accusation that simply doesn't exist here.
One thing that has kept me in business is actually meeting the people that want me to work with them. It seems that a lot of my interns and other young people think that you can conduct all your business by email and never have to meet the person in person. If a client calls up and wants us to do some work for them and they are from town I will schedule a meeting with them face to face and discuss their project. My interns want to do all the work by email even if the person is right here in town. I think a lot of this comes from being part of the "social media" generation which I am proud to say I am not part of. My 18 year old niece carries on "relationships" with people her age that she has never met. At one point she told me she is "going steady" with a boy who lives in Nevada and has never met in person. Somewhat different from when I dated but she is convinced that they are going steady even though she has never met the person and really knows nothing about him except what he tells her. I keep getting the "evil stare" every time I tell there that her "boyfriend" is probably a 43 year old, pot bellied, one tooth homeless guy but who really knows.
If you want to be in business then actually meet with the client unless the client lives half way around the world.
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