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hi, everyone

i have posted here before, long time ago thought... the reason why i am starting this thread is cause, i am kind of loss in what a really want, or doing right now. i use to aspire to be and musician artist thing is there some many thing a musician can do but, i dont fall in any of those category i feel. i dont even know if this is for me anymore.

i have always like music, and about 7 years ago i started collecthing synths get myself a computer and a few daw the things is all i do is rread forums and read about gears, i have never recorded anything. i have put a lot of time into learnig about music production and recording i understand a lot about this about, i dont have dont think i have 50 hours of practice combine into production or recording.

everytime i want to do something i just do something and i end up erasing it after... what sucks is that i mean i have push everything aisde for this and all i done is read and read... i have no have no social life, i dont enjoy work, and really thought i could hve done something of this. but the drive that i have started with is all gone lately i am just thinking of selling everthig and looking to go to school or something.

and when i said i put lot of time into learning this i mean it. i have taken piano lesson for about a year and a half on and of about 6 months of guitar. and now, voice lessons. and the more i try to play and instruments the more i realize i suck. and i also kind of lose that spark of interest in making some kind of beat or music.

another thing i feel like a fake musician, i have no even put any effort in craeting a nice playlist of artist i like... i just listened to whats on the radio, the music i enjoy the most is ambients right night maybe because i am always under stress...

lately i been wanting to try to finish some songs and i dont even know what genre of music i want to do i dont have a favorite genre and just listen to a lot of different tipe of music as long as i like it i thought that whats good for me but, it just make things to freaking trivial.

now, that i have thought about a little about myself and kind of where i am right night in this music deal. said you was to start making some music you got song knowledge about recording and sequencing. but, you want to get something productive done. i am no trying to get rich of this but hopefully maybe make a living from this?

i am just lost. imagine going from wanting to make music your carrier 7 years ago to present 60k down on gear and nothing to show for it... but a bunch of synth and gear toys...
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When you have no social life you should address that issue first. People can be quite inspiring, too.
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one of my big regrets in life was giving up on football when i knew i loved it...i gave up because i got an answer i didn't like and didn't agree with, instead of pushing on and advancing...the hindsight i gained is pretty cliche but true. if you love something push and push and push and push some more until you're completely exhausted of everything in you. you'll get further than you think, sometimes further than you dreamed possible. you just might need a little spark to light that fire again. we all go through ups and downs but down let a down bottom you out
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and when i said i put lot of time into learning this i mean it. i have taken piano lesson for about a year and a half on and of about 6 months of guitar. and now, voice lessons. and the more i try to play and instruments the more i realize i suck.
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A year and a half is nothing. It takes longer to become good at something. . Why not just stick to one instrument instead of trying to do everything ?
Also music is the klind of thing where you can always improve, no matter how good you get. You might never get to a point where you feel like you've got "good enough".
If that bothers you maybe it's not for you. Caring more about doing it than success is the key.

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i am just lost. imagine going from wanting to make music your carrier 7 years ago to present 60k down on gear and nothing to show for it... but a bunch of synth and gear toys...
Well thats what happens to the majority of people.
7 years isn't all that long. For example , in awards where someone gets "best newcomer" often they've been at it 10+ years.

What could you have spent the 60K on that would have made you happier and whats wrong with having a bunch of toys ?
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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thank don edgar
that is one area where i fall really short i cant keep a girl, or meet one matter fact. all my friends are out having fun and all of that good stuff and i will be in my crib reading a forum and learning my synths but, the worst thing is i wont record anything i kind of have put my mentallity that i am no ready and i always keep looking for knowledge but, that is all i do. i got to brake the ice and change my way of thinking.

oh by the way nice song don edgar what kind of sequencer did you use to make that song.

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hey, men that is the way i thought of it belive me men i am 26 now and i was about 19 when i just said. what have you always wanted to be? thats when i started collecting music toys and reading about the subject but, i realize now that i have disconnected from music itself since i started learning this i have no even put to much attention into the music i want to do, or any specific genre and i got attact to all this time is the technical aspect of of in theory no in practice. thougt

and another thing few weeks back i been trying to collect music that i enjoy to analize and learn from it but, i feel source less in a way the more i analize the music i hear the less i like meh, like i dont care about it... kind of make me think if i really like this for real all i was just thinking of fame... dont know men i dont really know at this moment where to go form here.
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A year and a half is nothing. It takes longer to become good at something. . Why not just stick to one instrument instead of trying to do everything ?

i know that is no really a long time playing, for me to get any good, i know some people take a life time perfecting there craft. all i want is to get some music done men i have always taken people advice of how is good to learn and instruments but, when i started i played something in my keyboard even thought i knew less it felt fun and king of cool know i bang a drum look or a melody it just feel kind like is all right. i will make my soft sequencer my primelly instruments **** trying to play and instruments. and the reason i play a few instruments is because i was trying different stuff. now, i am just going to take voice lessons. that is.
Also music is the klind of thing where you can always improve, no matter how good you get. You might never get to a point where you feel like you've got "good enough".
If that bothers you maybe it's not for you. Caring more about doing it than success is the key.

is not that, that bother me so much is that i am no getting any younger men and almost 30 i got to be doing something that is going to be financially secure. this economy is to bad right now, and like i said apart from work, all my time goes into music related stuff and my money have gone that way also. i love music but, if music is no going to bring food to my table, i am to put my efforts into a carriar now that i still have time that will. maybe


Well thats what happens to the majority of people.
7 years isn't all that long. For example , in awards where someone gets "best newcomer" often they've been at it 10+ years.

yeah, is just i havent make a single some i should try to do that... i know i would have feel better about my self if i have finish something.

What could you have spent the 60K on that would have made you happier and whats wrong with having a bunch of toys ?

i could have been a good jump start for tire shop like the one i run. i am a manager and i am pretty sure i could have started one with that plus some long even thought i dont like this bussiness one bit.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
i know it is not, but it is certainlly expensive one.
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The question you gotta ask is, do you enjoy the music making process? If you do keep on doing it, if you don't then stop it. Success for most people is just being able to do something you enjoy.

Also, your name reminds me of Nutella.

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Typical gearslutz answer;

Put everyhting in a closet for awhile, if you miss it dont sell.

Not so typical gearslutz answer;

You sound like you are burned out and possibly music just isnt your thing. Quit and sell your gear. Seven years is long enough to know if you are going to enjoy music or be able to find any joy from creating tracks. I think you have answered your own question.
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Learning to make music could be compared to learning a completely new language. At the beginning you are excited and the first time you can have a small/simple conversation in that language is really thrilling. From zero to small conversations it feels like a big step.

But then you try to read papers or listen to native speakers, and you realise there is still lots of work to do. But now the steps in your progression become much smaller, and it gets boring and feels like "work" to really learn the language.

So I think it is only natural to get such doubts - especially if you are doing everything on your own. So yes, I agree with the posters above: get out a bit, at the end you want to be creative, and creativity needs some fuel!

Edit: Nutella above LOL!!
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Well... actually I'm at exact the same situation.

I came to idea that I need a some kind of coach, mentor, whatever you call it.

Because when professionals come to studio with goal to write the tune - they just writing a damn tune.
They deliver, doing their job, just like following agenda.

It might be a craftsman way, not a true artist's way... but better end with some released tunes instead of only some "test64.mp3" in the trash bin.
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i have always like music, and about 7 years ago i started collecthing synths get myself a computer and a few daw the things is all i do is rread forums and read about gears, i have never recorded anything. i have put a lot of time into learnig about music production and recording i understand a lot about this about, i dont have dont think i have 50 hours of practice combine into production or recording.

everytime i want to do something i just do something and i end up erasing it after... what sucks is that i mean i have push everything aisde for this and all i done is read and read... i have no have no social life, i dont enjoy work, and really thought i could hve done something of this. but the drive that i have started with is all gone lately i am just thinking of selling everthig and looking to go to school or something.

and when i said i put lot of time into learning this i mean it. i have taken piano lesson for about a year and a half on and of about 6 months of guitar. and now, voice lessons. and the more i try to play and instruments the more i realize i suck. and i also kind of lose that spark of interest in making some kind of beat or music.

another thing i feel like a fake musician, i have no even put any effort in craeting a nice playlist of artist i like... i just listened to whats on the radio, the music i enjoy the most is ambients right night maybe because i am always under stress...

lately i been wanting to try to finish some songs and i dont even know what genre of music i want to do i dont have a favorite genre and just listen to a lot of different tipe of music as long as i like it i thought that whats good for me but, it just make things to freaking trivial.

now, that i have thought about a little about myself and kind of where i am right night in this music deal. said you was to start making some music you got song knowledge about recording and sequencing. but, you want to get something productive done. i am no trying to get rich of this but hopefully maybe make a living from this?

i am just lost. imagine going from wanting to make music your carrier 7 years ago to present 60k down on gear and nothing to show for it... but a bunch of synth and gear toys...
I think it is quite common for people to get caught in the disconnection between having the tools and potential for making music / recording music / production, the desire for a 'career in music production' and the reality of creating music.

A) You can buy a computer and install a shareware DAW and have all the tools you need. It might not be as interesting, fun, sound as good as a 60k hardware setup, but it can do the job.

B) Because of A) there is pretty much no possibility of a career in music production, just because you have the tools.

C) The reality of creating music is that it is both a personal calling and a social interaction. It requires skills that are developed over long periods of time, practice and human interaction.

Today people jump ahead of themselves. They have complete studios before they have music they want to record. They want to make music before they have developed skills with an instrument.

A year or 6 months of guitar, voice, piano lessons -- great. By now you've probably got an idea of how to get started and what to practice. So just play and practice. Rather than spend all your time reading about gear, it's probably better to noodle on the guitar aimlessly while watching a movie. Even better, find some other people to play music with and jam.

Of course electronic music is liberating -- people who can't play traditional instruments can create excellent music, but it's one kind of practice and insight over the other. Still got to have the ideas and still you've got to get your hands wet.

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Ultimately, I think a lot of the trouble here comes down to selfishness. Nowhere did you explain how your dream career in music production benefits anybody but yourself (and by that I mean primarily your ego).

If you thought you were making music that would improve the lives of others -- then maybe you would record it and share it.

If you thought you could do a service to your local music community by running a studio, you would have mentioned that.

If you thought it would be a boon for your circle of friends to have a studio to hang out and mess around in, you would have mentioned it.

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Look, I'm not trying to put you down. I want to help you feel better about your decision, however you need to look into yourself and figure out why you are doing this and how you can make a positive contribution with what you've got. If there isn't anything, then pick a couple of your toys you like most to play with, and sell the rest. At least you'll get some $$ back and you won't be weighed down with having to maintain a studio space.

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It could be there is something else holding you back, some kind of personal hang up. Perhaps you want more than what you've earned? Dig in and start working if this is what you really should be doing. 50 hours in 7 years is less than an hour a week.

Perhaps you enjoy learning about the gear more than actually using it? That's totally ok. There is a certain kind of tech/knowledge curiosity mind that just loves devouring this sort of information. It's a totally separate thing from the music side of it all.

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Don't feel bad about this, but think through what you are doing and what you want. You need to readjust things. 50 hours of actual use over 7y years isn't even much of a hobby level commitment. It's ok if it was something else that inspired you to collect all this gear and knowledge, but be real with yourself.
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Hey nuttellar,

Sorry to hear that once a spark turned out to be a dimmed light... The problem a lot of people are having when directing themselves into music, is that they think that in order to be successful you have to - learn, read, learn, watch - do everything BUT sitting in front of your computer and banging the shit out of it.

I am not implying that studying is bad or wrong, it's just you get so much carried away learning the stuff when you have to be making it! I started out 10 years ago with pirate copy of Sound Forge and I didn't know shit about computers, programming and synths, but i knew I could create music there, and I started banging out some beats made of cut samples from my fav songs and albums.

Once upon a time I was recording one of the artists I used to work with in the studio, and engineer told me "the instrumental is lacking bass, low end" I said ok, hold on, I fired up his DX7, opened Forge, played 2 bar bass line while tapping the bpm, imported the instrumental and chucked the bass line on top.Save. I can still remember the engineer's eyes, I think he lost it at some point. He said to me "if you wanna succeed, go to school" I thought to myself "fck it, i will do it anyhow"!

And 10 years past I have succeeded and established myself in the industry, and ask me now I probably will forget again the difference between threshold and ratio, but I can sure compose a great tune , the process of which I mostly enjoy!


So all that gear you have is not bad, only adds up to the ability of creating great music, but it is surely not the most important thing to have. You have to sit down, and first of all realize is it a hobby or do I wanna eat off that? The you should at least to begin with, frame yourself into particular genre. Then create something of that genre! Dont erase it! Save it into folder "IDEAS" then open template over and over again, you most definitely will find some good piece there, listening to it next week. Once you did that, trust me, you gonna start feeling much more comfortable, and will draw up a goal for urself. After creating few good pieces, start sharing them, do the networking, get people to listen to them etc....

However, other side of this, could be you just not interested in it anymore. Don't force yourself, maybe you're good at some other creative things and fields? Friend of mine was dreaming to become successful rappper, after suffering 8 years from inability to do it, he ended up as a video film guy , earning money he used to see in gangster movies

If you have to quit music, does't mean you have to go and work in the supermarket!

Good Luck!
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Of course electronic music is liberating -- people who can't play traditional instruments can create excellent music, but it's one kind of practice and insight over the other. Still got to have the ideas and still you've got to get your hands wet.

i have try to practice an instruments i will no try to play i anymore i will just use my sequencer as my instruments i am pretty sure i will no be the only one doing it.

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Ultimately, I think a lot of the trouble here comes down to selfishness. Nowhere did you explain how your dream career in music production benefits anybody but yourself (and by that I mean primarily your ego).

the problem is no selfishness even thought i am pretty selfish we my time that i push everything away when i got a book to read or go in a forum.

If you thought you were making music that would improve the lives of others -- then maybe you would record it and share it.

i enjoy pretty much playing it does make me happy that is why i do it the problem is i start something and i dont finish it. i am afraid of failure i guess i never grow as an artist if i dont change my way... if i really try i know i can make something good... i usually write good drum patterns and some nice melody.but i dont finish the songs and i end up erasing it afterward.


If you thought you could do a service to your local music community by running a studio, you would have mentioned that.

If you thought it would be a boon for your circle of friends to have a studio to hang out and mess around in, you would have mentioned it.

i would wish some of my friends where into this. i only got one friend who use reson and he is bangin tunes with that. he certainly is getting more done than i am.

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Don't feel bad about this, but think through what you are doing and what you want. You need to readjust things. 50 hours of actual use over 7y years isn't even much of a hobby level commitment. It's ok if it was something else that inspired you to collect all this gear and knowledge, but be real with yourself.[/QUOTE]

that maybe cause i been so visit trying to learn and surfing forums



thank you blackafgano

you said exattly what i need it hear i come here for condolecens and that sort of pack in the bad but i deep down down what im have to do. get some tunes done even if they are garbesh and stop complaining and bitching. and that is what i am going to work on.

the tough part going to be finding a genre, i get ideas in my head for a melody some things a rhynm pattern but. i never thought of thinking of a genre to categorize my music. and another think that really slow me down is picking up a tempo to set my daw with to start a project i never know how to get that down without over analizine stuff.
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It sounds like you have some anxiety disorder, look for profesional help
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hi, everyone

i have posted here before, long time ago thought... the reason why i am starting this thread is cause, i am kind of loss in what a really want, or doing right now. i use to aspire to be and musician artist thing is there some many thing a musician can do but, i dont fall in any of those category i feel. i dont even know if this is for me anymore.

i have always like music, and about 7 years ago i started collecthing synths get myself a computer and a few daw the things is all i do is rread forums and read about gears, i have never recorded anything. i have put a lot of time into learnig about music production and recording i understand a lot about this about, i dont have dont think i have 50 hours of practice combine into production or recording.

everytime i want to do something i just do something and i end up erasing it after... what sucks is that i mean i have push everything aisde for this and all i done is read and read... i have no have no social life, i dont enjoy work, and really thought i could hve done something of this. but the drive that i have started with is all gone lately i am just thinking of selling everthig and looking to go to school or something.

and when i said i put lot of time into learning this i mean it. i have taken piano lesson for about a year and a half on and of about 6 months of guitar. and now, voice lessons. and the more i try to play and instruments the more i realize i suck. and i also kind of lose that spark of interest in making some kind of beat or music.

another thing i feel like a fake musician, i have no even put any effort in craeting a nice playlist of artist i like... i just listened to whats on the radio, the music i enjoy the most is ambients right night maybe because i am always under stress...

lately i been wanting to try to finish some songs and i dont even know what genre of music i want to do i dont have a favorite genre and just listen to a lot of different tipe of music as long as i like it i thought that whats good for me but, it just make things to freaking trivial.

now, that i have thought about a little about myself and kind of where i am right night in this music deal. said you was to start making some music you got song knowledge about recording and sequencing. but, you want to get something productive done. i am no trying to get rich of this but hopefully maybe make a living from this?

i am just lost. imagine going from wanting to make music your carrier 7 years ago to present 60k down on gear and nothing to show for it... but a bunch of synth and gear toys...
Just buying gear obviously isn't enough. You need some talent, ideas, creativity and hard work.

I'd give it up, get all your gear on ebay and travel the world for 5 years.
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I've found that i'm stagnating at producing for 17 years at home now so i'm trying to find somewhere else to put my gear where other people make music and have other people to bounce ideas around with, thats one thing you could try.

Also, the first few years you will produce complete crap (true for most people) and 6 months is NOTHING in real terms of learning to play the guitar, 6 years is much more feasible for when you start to become good at an instrument.

I'm telling you now, there is no instant gratification, no magic button or secret method it just takes a lot of time but do get out and go for a cycle, a jog, a walk in nature or a trip to thailand whatever it takes to get out of this mood because when you don't feel like being creative it means you are bored with your life and you need to get out and do something, go meet new people have new experiences etc.
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hey, men that is the way i thought of it belive me men i am 26 now and i was about 19 when i just said. what have you always wanted to be? thats when i started collecting music toys and reading about the subject but, i realize now that i have disconnected from music itself since i started learning this i have no even put to much attention into the music i want to do, or any specific genre and i got attact to all this time is the technical aspect of of in theory no in practice. thougt

and another thing few weeks back i been trying to collect music that i enjoy to analize and learn from it but, i feel source less in a way the more i analize the music i hear the less i like meh, like i dont care about it... kind of make me think if i really like this for real all i was just thinking of fame... dont know men i dont really know at this moment where to go form here.
hmmmm, yeah i wouldn't know where to go either or what's best for you. i think like other guys in the thread have said:find a part of music that makes you happy and do that. at first i was into djing, then production...because of school i got out of production a bit but now that i'm back in the studio i've been really into getting a proper audio mix and learning the tricks/feelings/laws of mixing. the best advice i ever heard music wise to do what i like and not be subject to working on a project i don't enjoy......good luck to you boss and i hope you come back to the fun of the studio
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The remedy? Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy, etc. ---Listen and learn.
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Well, it's tricky, because ultimately you're the only one who can decide what you want to do. On top of that, oftentimes what you Want To Do in the long-term big-picture sense may not be the same as what you want to do Right Now.

So the possible answers are: Stick with it; Quit; Try it a different way.

But I think what you really need - from your posts in this thread - is for people to be supportive and make you feel better about your situation. So, I will say that it's OK, and there's no reason to do anything drastic right now.

There are plenty of specific therapeutic answers that may help you, like, go for a hike, make some friends, learn to crochet, get a cat, or whatever. I don't know.

Creative frustration and creative satisfaction are pretty much the two sides of the coin. One thing I've learned is that you can't really base your actions or your sense of What You're Supposed To Be Doing based on how you feel about what you're doing from moment to moment, or even month to month. There's always the danger that you will get super into something for 10 years and realize at the end that it was "all a waste of time" or "a dead end" or something. Nobody knows, but even that is no excuse for not working hard at it.

In the end, the only possible way to fail is to stop working. Eventually it will click, or through your efforts you will discover some other tangential area that turns out to be your true calling. Eventually it will fall into place, unless you simply stop working at it.
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Start selling your gear piece by piece ... You obviously don't work well with an overabundance of it (lots of people don't) ...

The fact you are posting -- if this isn't a toll lol -- means you still care ...

Start thinking of music production as a hobby (that's also integral to your life) and it might free up your mind a little bit ....

Try and work on shorter pieces with a beginning, middle and end ... There is no rule on how long music needs to be ... And shorter pieces will allow you to focus on the quality instead of the quantity ... As you get more comfortable pumping out good "ditties" you can graduate to longer pieces ...

The first step is to figure out what you need to do and produce so you don't delete your work ...

Your need to figure out how to love what you're producing ... (otherwise, nobody else ever will ... )

Good luck ...

Why don't you post a few pieces and maybe the forum can offer some suggestions ...???
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24th February 2012
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The question seems a little vague. How could anyone else tell you, over the internet, in a forum such as this, what you should do with your life?? The fact that you are asking the question here indicates some seriously unrealistic expectations in life. Sorry to be so direct but what did you expect?

If you are disappointed because you discovered that making music is a lifelong commitment that takes allot of work and, you are unable after a ridiculously short amount of time to sound like your favorite pop stars and, despite your investment of money and time you do not see yourself making any*headway in this "glamorous" profession, I would strongly suggest that your expectations and motivations were a little suspect and decidedly unrealistic in the first place and that you don't need to change a thing except your expectations and motivations.

Sounds like everything is as it should be. How's that? Am I close?

How's that, am I close?
#24
24th February 2012
Old 24th February 2012
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Strictly IMHO...Only you can decide what you should do....at 26 YOU have to realize that YOU have to make a living if you want to live in this modern world.
I have no idea what sort of career or education you have besides this music thing or maybe your wealthy or have a trust fund IDK. Seems kinda strange you've spent $60k on audio equipment. If you chose this as a profession to make a living at...it's a crap shoot like winning American Idol so good luck...there are a thousand people better than you are at age 15 (sorry but that's just the truth) and maybe you've just realized that in the back of your mind and you won't accept it IDK. The whole idea can turn into delusion, so I would seriously be smart and think about your life. Don't get delusional. Be realistic
As the average human here on planet earth...the smartest thing is to get an education and a profession/career that gives you money to live on. You have a finite amount of time in your lifespan to make a living and accomplish that.
Don't wake up at 30 and realize you have nothing.
#25
24th February 2012
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Why not join a band, this should fix the social aspect and give you a goal to perfect an instrument.

Many people think its about sitting home in a studio making a hit and when they fail (which 99% do) then they give up. First of all making music should be about doing something for yourself and not about making music for others. If you dont get that satisfied feeling when noodling around with instruments, chords and arrangements how on earth should you be able to present something worthy to other if you dont like it yourself.

Its similar to, if you like yourself, other people will like you, if you hate yourself then i'm pretty sure other will not like you.

So my advice is, get in a band, discover real music, real relations, and then one day you might have renewed energy to sit down and compose something that makes sense to you.
#26
25th February 2012
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Gear, beyond an instrument, is irrelevant. Gear collecting is a hobby we all share here, but it has nothing to do with music. I found the key to enjoying both is really learning that they are two very different things and one does not trump the other. That said, both need time and effort.

From your rant it seems to me that you're trying to spin too many plates. By the time I started becoming interested in gear and audio engineering I was already pretty experienced as a musician. I think you should forget gear and production and focus on an instrument. Learn a bunch of songs first. I suggest trying to learn them by ear because that's a really good way of teaching yourself to listen at the same time which becomes very important in improvisation and production. Only when you're adept at that should you start venturing into writing your own ditties, unless you're so inspired to you just can't stop yourself. If you do, keep the production to basic chord structure and melody. Record it quick and dirty. I use the note recorder on the iPhone.

Then, later, maybe years later, go back to your synth collection and start learning recording. I bet it'll all pay off.
#27
25th February 2012
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I had a longer post nearly completed, but I had to come to grips with the face of the truth as it has been outlined in the information you've provided.

Bullseye said much of what I would have said, but I unfortunately will proceed with an even harsher tone.

After a period of a seven years, if you truly do not have a single moment of actualized creative output, it is in my opinion clear that you should disengage from this pursuit.

Recoup your losses from the equipment purchases as best you can, and re-start the journey of your hearts desires. Ignoring "talent" or "drive" it appears you simply do not have the creative faculties required to write music.

The only information I have with which to form this opinion is that which you have provided. That said, the time frame is simply staggering.

Seven years....

Everyone is different. These differences make themselves all the more apparent in terms of creativity and the output that stems from it.

That taken into account, when we give advice to others, try as we might to be as empathic and intuitive as possible, our opinion and shared advice must still support itself heavily (both consciously and subconsciously) from our own experience.

Because of that, I will give you a short and somewhat narcissistic explanation of how my opinion was formed so that you may best decide how valid my advice may be to your situation.

I started creating music two years ago on my own. Prior to that the only music creation I indulged in was singing silly little 10 second songs I wrote on the fly as I walked about my house.

For one reason or another, I purchased a DAW program and a 25 key midi controller keyboard. That same day, with almost no knowledge of the program, nor any knowledge of how to utilize the musical interface I had chosen (the keyboard) I none the less attempted to create a song.

I enjoyed this attempt.

I then continued to do this every day, expending nearly all of my alloted "free time" (time not spent at my place of employment, taking care of necessitates and sleeping) in this way.

My bumps in the road came at points in which, whether through my limited instrumental ability, or my limited knowledge of my tools, made it difficult to express my ideas. At each of these points I quickly and with great fervor learned only enough to conquer that particular hindrance, and then continued "freely" creating until another such point arose. This was because the thing I found most enjoyable was creating.

Two years passed in this manner and here I stand today, typing this out on my phone.

In some ways little has changed, I am still in the grand scheme of averages a sub-standard keyboard player. I still have a very limited practical knowledge of communicative music theory. I still do not immediately know what course to take when I encounter a problem in the engineering realm.

What has changed is the following:

I am very comfortable, despite my downfalls, of expressing my creative imagination into reality with my tools. I do not struggle to make my ideas reality. I also have 107 "completed" pieces of music. The merit of these works is of course entirely debatable, but I believe them important because each represented a time, an idea, and a desire to make both a tangible reality.

Now that I have injected not only my narcissistic story telling, but also the grounds for my opinion, I hope you can gain perspective as to why, for me, seven years seems like an almost insurmountable time frame.

Nothing about me is better than you. I am not smarter, not more intuitive, not more creative, not better looking, etc etc.

I believe our difference is I found a reward mechanism in the act of musical creation that propelled me on and on. I do not believe you possess the same reward trigger internally.

For some, the reward stimulation they receive from the idea of an act is greater than that they would receive from the act itself. Given the limited knowledge I have of you this would best represent how I feel about your situation.

You are in love with an idea, but not an action.

It is very difficult for most of us to choose our internal "wiring" when it comes to reward mechanics and pleasure centers. They absolutely draw influence from countless aspects of our lives and personalities, but the conscious direction of their focus is an extremely difficult task.

This is why I fear you will only continue to encounter frustration and recommend eliminating it.

Perhaps in the course of doing so you will stumble upon something you can enjoy without an overwhelming taint of frustration.
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#28
25th February 2012
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Originally Posted by nu-tellar View Post

you said exattly what i need it hear i come here for condolecens and that sort of pack in the bad but i deep down down what im have to do. get some tunes done even if they are garbesh and stop complaining and bitching. and that is what i am going to work on.

the tough part going to be finding a genre, i get ideas in my head for a melody some things a rhynm pattern but. i never thought of thinking of a genre to categorize my music. and another think that really slow me down is picking up a tempo to set my daw with to start a project i never know how to get that down without over analizine stuff.
Before i get to the finding a genre part. I think you need to look things in perspective. Most likely you, and most EM producers in the world, won't 'make it big'. There's nothing wrong with dreaming, but even all above average producers won't make it, that's the nature of the game. Setting unrealistic goals is ok until it gets to the part that you get depressed about not being able to realize those goals which eventually blocks you even more.

You really should be looking at your intrinsic motivation, for instance, the process of making music itself is rewarding or relaxing, not only the end result. Hell, i know some self-admitted total talentless people who just enjoy turning knobs, or building a studio, or meeting likewise interested people.

Ofcourse what music to make can be a source of frustration as well in itself if your results fail to fit in the boundaries of the specific genre. I've had that myself in certain periods in that past 15 years where i really loved a certain EM genre but disliked producing it. This has led to periods of extended inactivity on my part until i rediscovered my passion.

In the end it does come down to love for music though, collect music you think is really awesome and let it inspire you. Your music doesn't have to be groundbreaking as at first you want to just enjoy yourself, but do keep your mixes, they can be a source of development as well. As you progress and you'll become more efficient things go more easy and at SOME point, instead of chasing ghosts you find yourself with an own style. OR you find that you don't enjoy that and like producing bands, or playing guitar, or whatever. Could be, it's for you to find out, that's called growth.

Last thing i'd like to say is about inspiration. It's not only about gear, workflows etc.etc, it's just as much as other parts in your life. Mindkilling day-jobs where after work the only thing you can do is turn on the TV for instance. Or perhaps the area you live, Or your love-life. Or physical shape, These are all elements worth inspecting, not only for sake of inspiration, but in general for the TOTAL quality of your life (and mental health).
#29
25th February 2012
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You either have it, or you dont. Seriously, if you are meant to do music, you will, no matter what, with anything. I will use a old 4 track audio cassette and an acoustic guitar if that is all I can afford.

Having good sound is no big. It's about the songs, not production. Production is a nice add on but not even needed to make music.
#30
25th February 2012
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i bought a bunch of gear this month, i'm going backpacking this weekend. make sense?
Does the gear fit in your backpack? Monotrons, Electribes and such?

Back to the OP. Life is not always fair. Making music/art is really not fair and trying to make a career in music today is a h*ll of a lot harder than ever.

I watched the Flood video about making Enjoy the Silence and saw DM had a lot of help. They are still very creative and talented but they had quite bit of help in the studio. I mention that because they were my contemporaries.

The OP said he blew $60 K on equipment? Well if he bought analogue synths then he probably may money on the appreciation. Always buy analogue and you will never lose.
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