Why so much hatred towards Skrillex?

[Mikey851]

This is just something that has been bothering me lately. I can't quite wrap my head around why so many people love Skrillex while many many others hate him. Keep in mind I'm 27 so i've seen EDM go through many stages. Here's complaints that other people always bring up and then my response to the complaint. I would like to know your thoughts as well.

1. It's repetitive - I think it is interesting and has many different elements....sometimes it almost seems too busy within that particular song. It can certainly get repetitive (The overall feel of the music) if you are just trying to enjoy some music but I don't think it's repetitive in an actual party atmosphere were everyone is drunk and crazy.

2. It's not real dubstep - This one just bothers me. Sure it misses some of the major elements that define dubstep but it also has many elements that are featured in real dubstep tracks. What would you call it? It is missing major parts that define other genres as well. It seems the only two genres that have this issue are rock and edm. In rock people fume if you start talking about metal vs metalcore vs nu metal etc. It's all stupid.

3. He's not a real dj - Videos i've seen confirm that he does not really do anything on stage that has to do with djing. He even appears to be pressing buttons and turning knobs that do nothing. This is a little sad....but he does have to make a living and it's what the fans want. Supply and demand. No one should hate on him for showing up night in and night out to make money while doing what he enjoys.

4. He makes/charges too much money - This is not determined by Skrillex. Once again it is determined by supply and demand. Customers are willing to pay a certain amount for tickets. The PROMOTERS/VENUES/FESTIVALS take advantage of this. Skrillex's management simply has enough business knowledge to secure a portion of the money already made. Imagine how foolish it would be if his management did not claim a fair amount of money and allow the greedy talent buyers to make all of it.

There are a ton more...but those are some of the main things people talk shit on. Let me know what you guys think. EDM (in all of its forms) is made for dancing/partying (Sometimes chilling a bit) and most of all giving people something to enjoy. To me Skrillex creates music that people enjoy in the right atmosphere and therefore he's alright in my book.

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by Mikey851

This is just something that has been bothering me lately. I can't quite wrap my head around why so many people love Skrillex while many many others hate him. Keep in mind I'm 27 so i've seen EDM go through many stages. Here's complaints that other people always bring up and then my response to the complaint. I would like to know your thoughts as well.

1. It's repetitive - I think it is interesting and has many different elements....sometimes it almost seems too busy within that particular song. It can certainly get repetitive (The overall feel of the music) if you are just trying to enjoy some music but I don't think it's repetitive in an actual party atmosphere were everyone is drunk and crazy.

2. It's not real dubstep - This one just bothers me. Sure it misses some of the major elements that define dubstep but it also has many elements that are featured in real dubstep tracks. What would you call it? It is missing major parts that define other genres as well. It seems the only two genres that have this issue are rock and edm. In rock people fume if you start talking about metal vs metalcore vs nu metal etc. It's all stupid.

3. He's not a real dj - Videos i've seen confirm that he does not really do anything on stage that has to do with djing. He even appears to be pressing buttons and turning knobs that do nothing. This is a little sad....but he does have to make a living and it's what the fans want. Supply and demand. No one should hate on him for showing up night in and night out to make money while doing what he enjoys.

4. He makes/charges too much money - This is not determined by Skrillex. Once again it is determined by supply and demand. Customers are willing to pay a certain amount for tickets. The PROMOTERS/VENUES/FESTIVALS take advantage of this. Skrillex's management simply has enough business knowledge to secure a portion of the money already made. Imagine how foolish it would be if his management did not claim a fair amount of money and allow the greedy talent buyers to make all of it.

There are a ton more...but those are some of the main things people talk shit on. Let me know what you guys think. EDM (in all of its forms) is made for dancing/partying (Sometimes chilling a bit) and most of all giving people something to enjoy. To me Skrillex creates music that people enjoy in the right atmosphere and therefore he's alright in my book.

What does any of this have to do with electronic music instruments or electronic music production?

[L.S.D.]

uh oh

[robkramble]

I was just thinking in the shower this morning how I should thank him for making it possible to play bits of Amon Tobin's new ISAM record at a frat party to critical praise. He's introduced drunk girls to a whole new spectrum of sounds they would have written off as the cornerstone of the music of wolfshirt neckbeard nerds. And for that I'm grateful.

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by robkramble

I was just thinking in the shower this morning how I should thank him for making it possible to play bits of Amon Tobin's new ISAM record at a frat party to critical praise. He's introduced drunk girls to a whole new spectrum of sounds they would have written off as the cornerstone of the music of wolfshirt neckbeard nerds. And for that I'm grateful.

Because now you totally have a shot with those girls, amirite?

[Skept3k]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

Because now you totally have a shot with those girls, amirite?

This has bad news all over it. It's pretty obvious that once someone becomes very popular it's likely that they will attract a lot of haters as well.

I think with Skrillex it's more of an issue of people hating, just to hate. If his music sucks in your opinion, why do you have to go so far and hate him?

[robkramble]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

Because now you totally have a shot with those girls, amirite?

Always have, but now I don't need to hide my true dorkiness.

[kcearl]

none here...not keen on his music so much, not that I dislike dubstep, or successful dubstep artists just not so much his tunes

I think Brits do EDM of any genre better...<eek>

[Barfunkel]

I don't like his haircut, too emo.

[boon]

you guys are crazy. Corey Feldman is awesome!

[Yoozer]

Why? Because we get a thread like this every week. Stop creating them and Use The Fine Search.

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by robkramble

Always have, but now I don't need to hide my true dorkiness.

I wouldn't want to be with a gal who I didn't feel comfortable being myself around. My general attitude is if someone has disdain for myself and my hobbies, then I have no qualms about reciprocating said sentiment.

[Mikey851]

Originally Posted by Yoozer

Why? Because we get a thread like this every week. Stop creating them and Use The Fine Search.

I had specific points that I wanted to bring up in a fresh thread get off your high horse "veteran".

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by Yoozer

Why? Because we get a thread like this every week. Stop creating them and Use The Fine Search.

Hater!

[Mikey851]

"What does any of this have to do with electronic music instruments or electronic music production?"

Technically nothing. I apologize for that; I was basing it on the fact that many people in this sub forum would have more of an opinion on EDM in general. Also, Skrillex's production techniques are constantly being judged.

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by Mikey851

Also, Skrillex's production techniques are constantly being judged.

By whom? Random people on Facebook, whose notion of electronic music producers is that of someone who just twists knobs and magically has a radio ready mix, don't count. I don't think that anyone on this forum here would argue that Skrillex is somehow deficient in terms of production.

[boon]

Originally Posted by Mikey851

I had specific points that I wanted to bring up in a fresh thread get off your high horse "veteran".

use the search, noob

[Barfunkel]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

By whom? Random people on Facebook, whose notion of electronic music producers is that of someone who just twists knobs and magically has a radio ready mix, don't count. I don't think that anyone on this forum here would argue that Skrillex is somehow deficient in terms of production.

I think the argument is that he's not really the second coming of Christ, like his fans would like to believe. To be honest, I don't understand what the fuzz is all about, sounds pretty standard american take of dubstep to me. Then again, I don't listen to dubstep, so it's hard to judge. A dubstep fan probably wouldn't appreciate Larry Heard's production skills either.

[Mikey851]

Fine OB1

[Mikey851]

I should have used the search. It didn't come up on the box that said other similar threads so I posted it up.

[msl]

New user with 3-4 posts starts thread about well known brostep producer.

hum.....

Guerilla marketing if I ever saw it.




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[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by Barfunkel

I think the argument is that he's not really the second coming of Christ, like his fans would like to believe.

I'm not a fan of his music, or dubstep in general, either. I do respect the guy for taking something that he's passionate about and turning it into a big wad of money though. That's pretty much the American dream right there. As far as his fans, most of them don't have a lick of sense when it comes to music, electronic or otherwise, and their penchant to call anyone who may disagree with them a "hater" is indeed something that I do have an issue with. Same goes for fans of a certain deceased rodent.

This sort of thing happens in waves though. I remember back in the late 90's when I first started getting into synths, Tiesto and the likes were always the topics of discussion, except back then one would be labeled as "jealous" for not towing the same line as the rest of the fanboy squads which would make their rounds (actually not unlike how some people get overly defensive about their favorite synths). Does anyone really still listen to Tiesto? They'd likely get ridiculed if they walked into a club and asked the DJ to play one of his tracks. The same will happen in a few years with Skrillex and rodent.

[Brian!]

yeah bro skrillex really needs some guerilla marketing to get the i havent listened to a new group since the 80s crowd on his side

[L.S.D.]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

By whom? Random people on Facebook, whose notion of electronic music producers is that of someone who just twists knobs and magically has a radio ready mix, don't count. I don't think that anyone on this forum here would argue that Skrillex is somehow deficient in terms of production.

Love it

[Greg_KPX]

haven't even bothered reading the thread but there are two answers:

1) Straight up envy. He accomplished something most musos haven't been able to. That's make a killing and live well from their musical activities.

2) Some people just hate the sound or the way he looks or acts

[Mikey851]

No I promise this is not some sort of guerilla marketing operation lol.

I completely agree Sovietspacechild. It is everyone's right to give their opinion and disagree with Skrillex fanboys. I am just trying to figure out why there are some people who seem to dedicate so much effort towards hating on him. I guess for every thread saying "Skrillex is the best" there is going to be a counter...

[Mikey851]

Originally Posted by Greg_KPX

haven't even bothered reading the thread but there are two answers:

1) Straight up envy. He accomplished something most musos haven't been able to. That's make a killing and live well from their musical activities.

2) Some people just hate the sound or the way he looks or acts

These answers seem very logical. The way he looks and acts actually bugs me a little as well.

As a side note: I do not really know who most people in the know actually do consider to be a good dubstep producer. I do not claim at all that I have been listening to dubstep it is new to me. I mostly have listened to trance and some dnb.

[Barfunkel]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

Does anyone really still listen to Tiesto?

Tons of people, actually. Someone posted a link to the incomes from gigs in the USA a while ago, Tiesto was number 1 by a large margin. He got 6,4 million (minus expenses, which probably aren't that large for DJ gigs as opposed to bands) last year from gigs alone, if I remember it correctly. Crazy!

[boon]

Originally Posted by Brian!

yeah bro skrillex really needs some guerilla marketing to get the i havent listened to a new group since the 80s crowd on his side

LMAO!

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by Barfunkel

Tons of people, actually. Someone posted a link to the incomes from gigs in the USA a while ago, Tiesto was number 1 by a large margin. He got 6,4 million (minus expenses, which probably aren't that large for DJ gigs as opposed to bands) last year from gigs alone, if I remember it correctly. Crazy!