No clients, nobody cares...

[logicll]

So there are like 12 million bands, but I can't find clients to work with consonantally enough to make a shred of a living.
People on welfare, profit while people like me force themselves to do things like go on face book and talk to every shitty no talent band in hopes of making coin. I have had 15 work of work fall through in 4 months. Bands stop talking to me after i mention I charge...!


And Grammy recognition, a solid body of work, business ethics, endorsements, great gear and good press don't amount to shit !!

Time to sell off the gear so I can eat...

[JoRillo]

That's unfortunate to hear, best of luck making it happen again for you. Maybe you should rethink your strategy, what are other studios near you doing and not doing? Think outside the box.

[suedesound]

i don't mean to be mean but it may be your approach? take a step back. i doubt you approach bands with the gusto you did in your post but it can easily turn off musicians. we/they are sensitive.

my return customers liked HOW i worked with them, they could care less about the rest of the shit as long as it sounded good.

i don't know you, i don't know your track record but i hope this helps.

[Lackatee]

It's seriously tough out there right now. For everyone! Not just audio dudes.

I've resorted to doing a lot of VO work for marketing videos/in store promo because its solid and reliable work. Hell, I've even been dabbling in sound design for iOS apps and thats been really great too. Never would have pictured myself doing that, but I'm really diggin' it!

As another said, you might just change up your strategy and start dabbling into other areas of audio work besides bands and artists.

Theres definitely audio work out there, outside of recording bands, you just gotta find it!

[verve92]

Originally Posted by logicll

So there are like 12 million bands, but I can't find clients to work with consonantally enough to make a shred of a living.
People on welfare, profit while people like me force themselves to do things like go on face book and talk to every shitty no talent band in hopes of making coin. I have had 15 work of work fall through in 4 months. Bands stop talking to me after i mention I charge...!


And Grammy recognition, a solid body of work, business ethics, endorsements, great gear and good press don't amount to shit !!

Time to sell off the gear so I can eat...

Bad economy and generation of entitled talentless morons not a good combination. We as a country have also lost track of what good music is in many ways. Dubstep? American Idol? Justin Bieber? Bullocks!
Some interesting stuff in this new documentary about the who's how's and why's. Maybe a solution or not, but a very interesting piece on the arts and technology.

Here it is: PressPausePlay on Vimeo

[Thomas W. Bethe]

The DIY Generation has taken over music making, recording, mixing and mastering. They all do their own "thing" in private in their houses or apartments. They will spend tens of thousands of dollars on equipment but they will not spend any money going to or seeking help from someone who is a professional.

They use phrases like "I don't want my music changed by someone else" or "my stuff already sounds great so I don't need anyone to mess with it" or " I am an artist and I don't want anyone interfering with my creative processes". They also say that they can do their own music, over a longer period of time, when they are not paying for studio time and they can work when the creative juices are flowing. They also say that to go into a studio would stifle their creativity.

I say poppycock!

Most of the DIY generation has been raised by parents who told their darling that everything he or she did was GREAT and they never had to face any real criticism of their work. They seem to think that everything they do from writing to producing to playing, recording and mixing is done so well they they don't need anyone else. If you listen to one of their songs, that they think is the "best", and you point out that there are a lot of problems with it they go ballistic. I have seen this happen on YouTube and witnessed it here in my studio. They cannot take any criticism and immediately go into the attack mode saying that the people who are critical of their music are all idiots and they just don't understand "their" music.

They make music by cutting and pasting on their DAWs, they "Protool" their drum tracks so what they could not do in real time sounds closer to being in time, they use Pitch shifting software to make them sound closer to being on pitch and when they are done it sounds like doggie doo doo. Or they just make a mess and call it "their music" They don't want to take time to learn their instrument or to learn how to record or mix they just want to "create". The same thing has been going on in photography and graphics for a long time. The next profession that will be taken over by the DIYers IMHO is video. There may not be any real way to make money from photography, graphics or audio in the very near future.

These DIYers may also be the same people who are downloading music off the WWW for free to use in their work and then wonder why they cannot make a living being a musician.

This would be tragic if it were not so laughable. Oh well....all one can do is

[verve92]

Did you just say Poppycock? Isn't that caramel popcorn?
Anyways.
I agree with you. I am 39 and not so arrogant to try being pro producer. I am a musician. I play and record occasionally by myself with mixed results.
On this site alone alot of what I hear is either unlistenable with good production or really musical and sounds like ass. Mostly it is shite and devoid of ability.
When I was learning how to play, my parents would tell me if it diodn't sound good. I had the talent that was established. I knew this.
I have a son who tried out music and the gene skipped a generation. Now he is on is school's soccer team. Me? I was a horrible athlete and my parents gently told me so. Heck I got chosen by the basketball team as the pointless guard and demoted to the throw in the towel boy!
I got over it and got into music.
Multiple problems. The dumbing down of the process with software, lack of skilled musicians.. all discussed in the documentary in my above post.

[Beat Poet]

Originally Posted by logicll

So there are like 12 million bands, but I can't find clients to work with consonantally enough to make a shred of a living.
People on welfare, profit while people like me force themselves to do things like go on face book and talk to every shitty no talent band in hopes of making coin. I have had 15 work of work fall through in 4 months. Bands stop talking to me after i mention I charge...!


And Grammy recognition, a solid body of work, business ethics, endorsements, great gear and good press don't amount to shit !!

Time to sell off the gear so I can eat...

Hmmm, one thing I'd say from my experiences is that when times are tough, headhunting bands/musicians just does not work. There's a chance it will if you're offering your services for free, but absolutely zilch if you want to make some bank.

It's funny when you approach Band X out of the goodness of your heart, say you like them and want to produce them, then you mention money and they're like "who the **** are you?". On the flipside, if they've been recommended to you or they've seen an ad/website, they'll gladly pay.

All I can say is that while times are tough and you think you have to do something to drum up business, trawling the net approaching people just does not work. Work hard on your promo and you'll get some luck.

[piotr]

[...] People on welfare, profit [...]

Clearly, you are hurting. And I hope things change around for you.
But the above statement is just ridiculous.
Seriously.
p.

[robinbjerke]

Originally Posted by piotr

Clearly, you are hurting. And I hope things change around for you.
But the above statement is just ridiculous.
Seriously.
p.

Got a feeling he meant they actually get money for food and basic rent and shit, while he does not. So... yeah, they profit as in they actually receive money.

I'm still a student, training to join the ranks of the professionals. Vey often I find myself feeling incredibly stressed out about the line of work I am walking into. No job security, no guarantee of the next payroll (unless you're the 99.8th percentile who go Chris Lord Alge big and can cruise).

Still though, there is nothing else I want to do with my life, and I feel like I'll be ok. Never gonna get rich, but at least I'll be happy doing what I love!

[Thomas W. Bethe]

Originally Posted by verve92

Did you just say Poppycock? Isn't that caramel popcorn?
Anyways.
I agree with you.

See here Urban Dictionary: poppycock

A polite way of saying bull****.

[piotr]

Originally Posted by robinbjerke

Got a feeling he meant they actually get money for food and basic rent and shit, while he does not. So... yeah, they profit as in they actually receive money.

I'm still a student, training to join the ranks of the professionals. Vey often I find myself feeling incredibly stressed out about the line of work I am walking into. No job security, no guarantee of the next payroll (unless you're the 99.8th percentile who go Chris Lord Alge big and can cruise).

Still though, there is nothing else I want to do with my life, and I feel like I'll be ok. Never gonna get rich, but at least I'll be happy doing what I love!

My view is that to point to the situation of people on welfare as something advantageous is just perverse and misguided.
Does anybody honestly think that (looking at the economic landscape of the US and the world today) the profits are with the people on welfare?!
That has got to be a joke, or poppycock ;-).
p.

[RRCHON]

There is way too much distortion about welfare.

Too many bitter people think they are giving away too much of what they have to people who have no drive or want to do anything other than being on welfare.

Stop listening to propaganda that is filling you with hate, welfare is not something people aspire to and as bad off as you think you are right now, I can guarantee you living in a neighborhood that is practically a 3rd world war zone is not something you should aspire to.

You seem to be in a bit of a depressive funk right now, you might want to try secondary markets. If you are feeling a little right wingy, hit up your compatriots do the church circuit see if you can get some work recording choirs ect.... there is a good small printings market right now ect....

Hitting up guys you think sound good on the web is a lost cause, because as far as they are concerned these are hard times and YOU came to them. It is an ego switch, but they are not looking at in in terms of cooperation - or mutual exploitation, current terminology is jailhouse style - Get to FXXXXXG or get FXXXXD. Add to that confidence issues and the doom and gloom over music in general - when people can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, how do you expect them to buy into or invest into themselves as a product or in you as a catalyst to that product if they feel that the result will ultimately be not worth the effort because of factors outside of their control; and that welfare is so great that people profit from it.

You need to believe in YOU a bit more, and perhaps to do that you need to try to find clients that are not all about the money but perhaps a bit more into the joy or art side of music. You might or might not make increadible money doing this, and you'll probably work long hours but you at least you'll work and the probability of paying you bills and the rest will be much higher when you are working than when you are hunting on facebook ect...

[RRCHON]

Originally Posted by piotr

My view is that to point to the situation of people on welfare as something advantageous is just perverse and misguided.
Does anybody honestly think that (looking at the economic landscape of the US and the world today) the profits are with the people on welfare?!
That has got to be a joke, or poppycock ;-).
p.

Quoted For Truth

[verve92]

Originally Posted by RRCHON

There is way too much distortion about welfare.

Too many bitter people think they are giving away too much of what they have to people who have no drive or want to do anything other than being on welfare.

Stop listening to propaganda that is filling you with hate, welfare is not something people aspire to and as bad off as you think you are right now, I can guarantee you living in a neighborhood that is practically a 3rd world war zone is not something you should aspire to.

You seem to be in a bit of a depressive funk right now, you might want to try secondary markets. If you are feeling a little right wingy, hit up your compatriots do the church circuit see if you can get some work recording choirs ect.... there is a good small printings market right now ect....

Hitting up guys you think sound good on the web is a lost cause, because as far as they are concerned these are hard times and YOU came to them. It is an ego switch, but they are not looking at in in terms of cooperation - or mutual exploitation, current terminology is jailhouse style - Get to FXXXXXG or get FXXXXD. Add to that confidence issues and the doom and gloom over music in general - when people can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, how do you expect them to buy into or invest into themselves as a product or in you as a catalyst to that product if they feel that the result will ultimately be not worth the effort because of factors outside of their control; and that welfare is so great that people profit from it.

You need to believe in YOU a bit more, and perhaps to do that you need to try to find clients that are not all about the money but perhaps a bit more into the joy or art side of music. You might or might not make increadible money doing this, and you'll probably work long hours but you at least you'll work and the probability of paying you bills and the rest will be much higher when you are working than when you are hunting on facebook ect...

Excellent points. Spot on.
Are there people who abuse the system? A small percent. How about the mostly right wing idiots who send jobs overseas for tax breaks? Companies like Walmart who pay managers $10/hr and abuse minorities and women? Corporations who screw people out of their pensions? The morons who deny Global Warming and think Jesus is at the helm, yet hate Jews and Muslims- that's real Christian
Fox news is not the only news source. It is unique in that there are many, many websites dedicated to pointing out the lies, the using of old footage for new rallies, racist banter,inciting the murder of abortion doctors, list goes on.
The US is as dead as my old tube amp. Radical things need to be done to change it.
I am just glad I have citizenship in Canada so I can leave. It may be cold there, but they don't start wars with countries who didn't attack them and argue about debt ceilings....
Keep your head up. Many of us who shouldn't be are suffering.

[DanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Thomas W. Bethe

The DIY Generation has taken over music making, recording, mixing and mastering. They all do their own "thing" in private in their houses or apartments. They will spend tens of thousands of dollars on equipment but they will not spend any money going to or seeking help from someone who is a professional.

They use phrases like "I don't want my music changed by someone else" or "my stuff already sounds great so I don't need anyone to mess with it" or " I am an artist and I don't want anyone interfering with my creative processes". They also say that they can do their own music, over a longer period of time, when they are not paying for studio time and they can work when the creative juices are flowing. They also say that to go into a studio would stifle their creativity.

I say poppycock!

Most of the DIY generation has been raised by parents who told their darling that everything he or she did was GREAT and they never had to face any real criticism of their work. They seem to think that everything they do from writing to producing to playing, recording and mixing is done so well they they don't need anyone else. If you listen to one of their songs, that they think is the "best", and you point out that there are a lot of problems with it they go ballistic. I have seen this happen on YouTube and witnessed it here in my studio. They cannot take any criticism and immediately go into the attack mode saying that the people who are critical of their music are all idiots and they just don't understand "their" music.

They make music by cutting and pasting on their DAWs, they "Protool" their drum tracks so what they could not do in real time sounds closer to being in time, they use Pitch shifting software to make them sound closer to being on pitch and when they are done it sounds like doggie doo doo. Or they just make a mess and call it "their music" They don't want to take time to learn their instrument or to learn how to record or mix they just want to "create". The same thing has been going on in photography and graphics for a long time. The next profession that will be taken over by the DIYers IMHO is video. There may not be any real way to make money from photography, graphics or audio in the very near future.

These DIYers may also be the same people who are downloading music off the WWW for free to use in their work and then wonder why they cannot make a living being a musician.

This would be tragic if it were not so laughable. Oh well....all one can do is

Very well said! Especially the part about these "artists" having smoke blown up their asses their whole life. It's as if the vast majority of musicians have no respect for the skill. It pisses me off

I'm still learning about this industry, becoming a freelancer and I really want to make it work, but at the moment the only vibe I'm getting is that there is no hope for me and the countless others out there who are in my position. Which also pisses me off.

Another thing which grinds my gears is, like what Thomas said, the amount of stealing from the web that's going on. If you're gonna try and break into the industry, as least SUPPORT the industry by doing the honorable thing and *GASP* pay for the music! There isn't gonna be an industry left at this rate.

[Jazz Noise]

The old industry model is probably broken, probably for good. I'm far more interested in the models that will emerge after the labels finally fall into the background. People will still want good music, people will still be willing to pay for a good product. The issue at the moment is not, and I don't think ever has been, the value of music.

There's no justice or logical system of value in the music/IP model when it's fair for Jedward to change one note in a loop blatantly ripping off Queen but it's unfair of me to put that song on my teeny bopper smartphone. Stealing for profit = o.k, when the right person does it? Yeah, right!

[DaKid]

Could just be the time of the year with the holidays and all... Once those tax return checks come in things will probably pick back up.

And I wouldn't mind welfare as much if it required a clean drug test to be on it (or regular drug testing while on it)

I know a boatload of broads with multiple kids that smoke weed everyday and go out drinking every weekend - or guys at the bar every single night drinking cheap draft beer - all while collecting welfare checks. I think the system needs to be tweaked so that situations like that don't exist.

[judith priest]

Originally Posted by logicll

So there are like 12 million bands, but I can't find clients to work with consonantally enough to make a shred of a living.
People on welfare, profit while people like me force themselves to do things like go on face book and talk to every shitty no talent band in hopes of making coin. I have had 15 work of work fall through in 4 months. Bands stop talking to me after i mention I charge...!


And Grammy recognition, a solid body of work, business ethics, endorsements, great gear and good press don't amount to shit !!

Time to sell off the gear so I can eat...

Hey, look on the bright side: you have all this gear you can sell to get an education in something useful. Not everyone who picked a shitty career has that opportunity.

[verve92]

Originally Posted by judith priest

Hey, look on the bright side: you have all this gear you can sell to get an education in something useful. Not everyone who picked a shitty career has that opportunity.

Hahahah... unless the shitty career chooses you.

@Logic: BTW I'm always looking for used gear. Message me wiht what you have if you are in that much of a pinch......

[NotchontheRocks]

Originally Posted by robinbjerke

Got a feeling he meant they actually get money for food and basic rent and shit, while he does not. So... yeah, they profit as in they actually receive money.

I'm still a student, training to join the ranks of the professionals. Vey often I find myself feeling incredibly stressed out about the line of work I am walking into. No job security, no guarantee of the next payroll (unless you're the 99.8th percentile who go Chris Lord Alge big and can cruise).

Still though, there is nothing else I want to do with my life, and I feel like I'll be ok. Never gonna get rich, but at least I'll be happy doing what I love!

I'm in the same situation - about to finish up school and wondering how the HELL I'm going to make any money. I spend a lot of my time trying to find a way to separate myself from every other engineer in the business and to do things a bit different from the norm. Haven't thought of anything yet.

On the bright side, I'll have the skills and knowledge to do one of my favorite things in the world, and unlike a large portion of other college students, I will be debt-free when I finish because I worked my way through. It could be worse...right?

Originally Posted by Thomas W. Bethe
The DIY Generation has taken over music making, recording, mixing and mastering. They all do their own "thing" in private in their houses or apartments. They will spend tens of thousands of dollars on equipment but they will not spend any money going to or seeking help from someone who is a professional.

They use phrases like "I don't want my music changed by someone else" or "my stuff already sounds great so I don't need anyone to mess with it" or " I am an artist and I don't want anyone interfering with my creative processes". They also say that they can do their own music, over a longer period of time, when they are not paying for studio time and they can work when the creative juices are flowing. They also say that to go into a studio would stifle their creativity.

I say poppycock!

Most of the DIY generation has been raised by parents who told their darling that everything he or she did was GREAT and they never had to face any real criticism of their work. They seem to think that everything they do from writing to producing to playing, recording and mixing is done so well they they don't need anyone else. If you listen to one of their songs, that they think is the "best", and you point out that there are a lot of problems with it they go ballistic. I have seen this happen on YouTube and witnessed it here in my studio. They cannot take any criticism and immediately go into the attack mode saying that the people who are critical of their music are all idiots and they just don't understand "their" music.

They make music by cutting and pasting on their DAWs, they "Protool" their drum tracks so what they could not do in real time sounds closer to being in time, they use Pitch shifting software to make them sound closer to being on pitch and when they are done it sounds like doggie doo doo. Or they just make a mess and call it "their music" They don't want to take time to learn their instrument or to learn how to record or mix they just want to "create". The same thing has been going on in photography and graphics for a long time. The next profession that will be taken over by the DIYers IMHO is video. There may not be any real way to make money from photography, graphics or audio in the very near future.

Agreed. Whenever I hear local music, it just boggles my mind. I feel like I'm hearing rehashed guitar licks, generic drumbeats, and copycat songwriting. I can click Play on their Facebook music player and determine within 4 seconds that they recorded themselves after a $700 trip to Guitar Center, which wouldn't be completely awful if more than 5 minutes was spent EQing the drums.

I guess the grass is always greener on the other side, though. Either I am not making money, or I'm recording awful music and editing the horrid timing of the drummer.

I love the music business.

[glenn Taylor]

I would not take it so personal. Musicians have always been a tough breed.
Some are much less full of themselves as others. The industry changing made working studios non working. Yes you might have something to do with it ,but it sounds like to me like they are doing what everyone else is. Recording themselves. I kept enough gear to do great recordings,but quit beating my head against the wall and earn money elsewhere. Try for a awhile longer then move on.
GT.

[verve92]

@NotchontheRocks,

Not everyone has the training or nohow or more than $700 for a cheapo MTR from Guitar Center. Many of us are players, not producers. We have no interest in producing. Many barely have money for our gear, so we practice and get good. If we don't make it, it doesn't make us less musicians. Some of us like me have a family to support.
Point is I think it is quite rude and arrogant to say music is lame just because it is on Facebook and does not sound great. Message them and offer services. Who cares if you think the music is good. Do the job you were trained to do and make it good regardless of style.
Based on what I know, if you pick and choose your jobs and limit yourself, you will not make it in any business.
Heck I wish I was I was debt free out of school. I am 5 years out of Pharmacy School and still just finished paying for my undergrad!
Don't assume people are as serious, talented, or competent as you may or may not be.
You took the risk in your trade and the fact is, very and I mean very few producers end up doing anything that makes them money. Most end up editing news footage, which is admirable. But don't be foolish and wait around to "make it"
Don't mean to lecture you, man. Just your approach needs work.
One more thing: You don't decide if you have the skills and know-how to do your favorite thing in the world, the person who discovers or hires you does.

[NotchontheRocks]

Originally Posted by verve92

@NotchontheRocks,

Not everyone has the training or nohow or more than $700 for a cheapo MTR from Guitar Center. Many of us are players, not producers. We have no interest in producing. Many barely have money for our gear, so we practice and get good. If we don't make it, it doesn't make us less musicians. Some of us like me have a family to support.
Point is I think it is quite rude and arrogant to say music is lame just because it is on Facebook and does not sound great. Message them and offer services. Who cares if you think the music is good. Do the job you were trained to do and make it good regardless of style.
Based on what I know, if you pick and choose your jobs and limit yourself, you will not make it in any business.
Heck I wish I was I was debt free out of school. I am 5 years out of Pharmacy School and still just finished paying for my undergrad!
Don't assume people are as serious, talented, or competent as you may or may not be.
You took the risk in your trade and the fact is, very and I mean very few producers end up doing anything that makes them money. Most end up editing news footage, which is admirable. But don't be foolish and wait around to "make it"
Don't mean to lecture you, man. Just your approach needs work.
One more thing: You don't decide if you have the skills and know-how to do your favorite thing in the world, the person who discovers or hires you does.

My point wasn't that everyone needs to invest $10k into recording gear. I have no problem with a musician or band recording themselves with minimal gear. The real issue is that a lot of these same musicians think they can do that and sell it as a professional album. Stores like Guitar Center are making musicians believe they have no need for professional recording services at all, which is at least part of the reason why the OP is having trouble finding clients. I just think artists are missing out on a professional's touch, but they do not realize it because marketing ploys that make claims along the lines of "Get everything you need to make a pro recording today! Only for $899.99!"

If you knew me, you'd know I'm not arrogant. Before the days of cheap pseudo-pro gear, if you wanted to start a band, you had to find solid musicians, write solid songs together, then hit up a studio. I think many musicians are sort of "set back" by the temptation to find semi-solid musicians and to just fix questionable performances in Pro Tools. I am not an expert musician; hell, I don't even consider myself to be an above average one. But it seems to me that the new do-it-yourself trend is not just hurting recording engineers but musicians also.

I apologize if you took my post the wrong way. I wasn't trying to insult the talent of local artists, but even some good musicians are missing out on the experience and skill of a professional recording studio. I assure you my approach does not need work. I know exactly what I'm getting into, and I know I will probably not rake in the cash in this profession.

Thanks for relaying your thoughts on my post. I don't want everyone who reads this thread to think I'm an arrogant ass because I'm far from it. I probably should've elaborated on my thoughts.

[verve92]

Apology accepted. Check out this amazing documentary if you have not already.
It an in depth both sides view of this exact debate. It was posted here an GS some time ago and had an effect on many.

PressPausePlay on Vimeo

[Sean TM]

you should probably work on spelling and grammar before contacting potential clients..

[joeydego]

I DO feel for you. Crap studios forced guys like me to go out and buy interfaces and some software and do it ourselves. All those bands you're chasing down are likely doing the same. I got too many cassettes of my songs with no kick and crappy sounding effects I paid a FORTUNE for. No more, sir. Now I can record crappy sounding drums all day long for myself. If I EVER step foot in a studio again, either someones paying ME to be there or I need something done I cant do myself, and you'd better believe I WILL pay good money BUT YOU'D better be awfully good.

[diogo_c]

Thomas speaks the truth. Agreed with everything he said.

I'd add this:

I've tried to make a living out of music for over a decade, but in the meanwhile I went to college and got myself a degree. That was probably the best thing I did, and nowadays I earn enough to have a good house and to provide for my family. Bottomline: its good (if not essential) to have a "plan B", because our beloved industry is far, very far, from being reliable.

[spaceman]

Originally Posted by Thomas W. Bethe

The DIY Generation has taken over music making, recording, mixing and mastering. They all do their own "thing" in private in their houses or apartments. They will spend tens of thousands of dollars on equipment but they will not spend any money going to or seeking help from someone who is a professional.

They use phrases like "I don't want my music changed by someone else" or "my stuff already sounds great so I don't need anyone to mess with it" or " I am an artist and I don't want anyone interfering with my creative processes". They also say that they can do their own music, over a longer period of time, when they are not paying for studio time and they can work when the creative juices are flowing. They also say that to go into a studio would stifle their creativity.

I say poppycock!

Most of the DIY generation has been raised by parents who told their darling that everything he or she did was GREAT and they never had to face any real criticism of their work. They seem to think that everything they do from writing to producing to playing, recording and mixing is done so well they they don't need anyone else. If you listen to one of their songs, that they think is the "best", and you point out that there are a lot of problems with it they go ballistic. I have seen this happen on YouTube and witnessed it here in my studio. They cannot take any criticism and immediately go into the attack mode saying that the people who are critical of their music are all idiots and they just don't understand "their" music.

They make music by cutting and pasting on their DAWs, they "Protool" their drum tracks so what they could not do in real time sounds closer to being in time, they use Pitch shifting software to make them sound closer to being on pitch and when they are done it sounds like doggie doo doo. Or they just make a mess and call it "their music" They don't want to take time to learn their instrument or to learn how to record or mix they just want to "create". The same thing has been going on in photography and graphics for a long time. The next profession that will be taken over by the DIYers IMHO is video. There may not be any real way to make money from photography, graphics or audio in the very near future.

These DIYers may also be the same people who are downloading music off the WWW for free to use in their work and then wonder why they cannot make a living being a musician.

This would be tragic if it were not so laughable. Oh well....all one can do is

Well... yes, and no..

One important factor you're not taking into account, is that the whole music industry is going down the drain because of piracy. From major label acts to the smallest indies.

Musicians are bombarded everyday with the message that they they should just give up on the idea of making a living out of their music, that piracy is now the new norm and that they should just give their music for free, make money on selling some t-shirts, or just go get a second day job.

Music is on its way to becoming a hobby. That's the best musicians can expect, and it is where we are heading for sure, if things keep going this direction.

Most musicians ( or at least the ones with functionning ears ) want to get their music properly recorded/mixed/mastered, either in part or in full. They all want to be proud of having their music expressed with excellent sonics.
But when you get to a point where selling a couple thousand copies is becoming considered a massive achievement, you can be sure that every single nickel spent on the album will be given a very very hard thought.

There will be absolutely no need whatsoever for professional recording studios once professional musicians will be forced to become hobbyists . It's as simple as that. What is happening to pro recording studios in simply the collateral damage of piracy.

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I hate spelling and grammar the english language is crazy! Plus the fact that people are so casual with text messages and incorrect spellings I have become sloppy, then we have my shitty keyboard (old Mac) that I have to pound on to type this causes errors..


So yes, wonderful.