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| Gear interested Joined: Jan 2012
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Thread Starter | Studio priorities — a personal rant.
Hi. I'm a musician, a sometimes-engineer and producer, a self-described gear geek, and an avid reader of this forum. I’ve recently had a string of bad experiences in the studio, so forgive me for the next few minutes as I get on my soapbox. I think it’s safe to say that most everyone here would agree that the recording chain, from most important to least important — assuming the song is great, the production is top-notch, etc. — goes something like this: musician > instrument > engineer > room/recording gearIn other words, when it’s all boiled down we all admit a good musician through a bad pre will sound better than a bad musician through a great pre, right? Okay, my rant: I hate, hate, HATE working in studios that place the musician’s experience last in the chain. This list could be so long, but here are the biggest issues which have made my week frustrating:
Thanks for listening, rant over. |
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| Gear addict Joined: May 2007
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Agree with your rants/requests. Pretty basic stuff that an engineer should have no problem with. Sounds like you are having troubles finding a good engineer. A lot of hacks out there these days. Anyone will call themselves an engineer these days. Best of luck with your search.
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| Gear interested Joined: Jan 2012
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What happens is I am hired as a session player. I am told when to show up, what studio to go to. These are smaller, owner/engineer studios, with expensive gear and good rooms. The client is paying me big money to play well and the studio big money to record it well. And then the above happens, and what could have been great, isn't. | |
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| Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2011 Location: Hertfordshire, UK
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| Gear interested Joined: Jan 2012
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Or, to be kinder, engineers with their priorities in the wrong order. | |
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| Gear interested Joined: Jan 2012
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| member no 666 Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, NC
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Duh -- work in proper rooms that can afford properly trained staff. If you're working in cheap assed shit holes - what the hell do you expect? When I stay in a Hyatt I expect a bar and a concierge who can arrange what ever is required... and guess what? It costs more than the "Accor" property that barely has a bed and a TV... but that Accor property is WAY cheaper. You get what you pay for... if you're a session player who is hired onto the gig then either suck it up, do your gig, get paid and leave... or explain to the producer / person hiring you that you only work in proper studios. If you're a good enough player then they'll be sure to book a proper room for your parts... and if you're not a great player then either be happy you're working at all - or turn down the gig. There are lots of true professionals who can't get work because of the proliferation of $400 a day shit holes... how about instead of pissing and moaning you become part of the solution instead of whining about the problem? Food for thought?
__________________ CN Fletcher Professional Affiliations: R/E/P Professional Recording Engineer and Producer forums - serious hobbyists welcome SoundPure.com mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33 We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light | |
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All good points. You even made one of them twice so it must be very important to you. Lots of studios are running on empty and are just barely holding on and I am surprised that they are out buying $10,000 microphones. I am also surprised that some studios don't have a good headphone system installed. <One caveat - a lot of studio musicians are very gentle and treat the studio headphones very well but I have also witnessed musicians taking a pair of $150 headphones and ruing them in just one session by dropping them or bending them so much that they break or getting the cord so messed up that they no longer function or tossing them across the studio when they get frustrated.> I have worked in many different studios over my professional life and the ones that seem to do the best put the needs of the musicians, engineers and producers first. They may not have the newest equipment but they know how to use the equipment they have and they know what to do to keep people coming back to them. They also provide the amenities that make recording at their studio a pleasure. There was a while in the late 70's and early 80's where musicians would come or not come to a studio depending on whether they had such and such piece of equipment that was the new "best thing ever" and everyone had to play through one or they were a nobody. I don't know where you live but it sounds like the studios you are playing in are not doing a good job satisfying your needs as a musician. Have you ever sat down and talked to the studio owner and made them aware of your concerns and problems in a non confrontational mode??? It might help. Then again today with studios fighting to survive they may not be able to do anything about it especially if it costs them money. Most of the things you are asking for are not costly and it may make sense to just make the owner aware of the situation. Here we only mastering but the clients needs for attended sessions are always first in my mind and we do have snacks and beverages so they can get their sugar cravings satisfied and continue to work. Our studios are very comfortable and I have done some 13 hour mastering marathons for clients and they leave here refreshed and in a good mood. Best of luck on getting the problems solved.
__________________ -TOM- Thomas W. Bethel Managing Director Acoustik Musik, Ltd. Room with a View Productions Oberlin, OH 44074 www.acoustikmusik.com Doing what you love is freedom. Loving what you do is happiness. |
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| Gear nut Joined: Oct 2006 Location: New York City, NY
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I got into recording through the late Walter Sear, who always liked to remind people that professional recording is first and foremost a service industry. Unfortunately, these days this important idea appears lost on many studio owners. This is a drag as I love being in studios! Many of the larger places understood this as they came from a very different time in the industry.
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| Gear interested Joined: Jan 2012
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Let me say that in my area there are plenty of good studios, with excellent engineers, and I've been lucky to work with a lot of them. For the most part I have a pretty good experience. But after I had a string of frustrating sessions lately I felt I needed to vent a little. |
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| Gear addict Joined: Jun 2010
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I'm both a musician and an engineer as well, so I can see both sides of it. It's not always the engineer who is guilty of these things. Quote:
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Oh yeah, that's probably why I don't work with young bands anymore. But occasionally older and semi-pro bands do at least one or two of the things mentioned above. It's a crazy business because there is no exact formula. That reminds me, I need to order more headphones because they keep breaking them. | |||
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| Gear maniac Joined: Dec 2002 Location: The "other place"
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Fletcher is right. I was lucky enough to come up learning in some really pro places, doing 2 or 3 sessions a day. The thing that struck me early on was..... The better the musicians or session players, the less bull and complaints. (The more I think about it, I never heard any complaints from the best people.) I have been to some basement studios with elaborate multi channel headphone systems, and the one thing you become aware of is, after the session, all of the channel volumes are cranked all of the way up on the HP monitoring boxes. Having said that, I have played sessions with crazy monitoring systems that were pretty terrific. Those places were never cheap either. Like one of the above posters mentioned, if a producer didn't get in and get things ready to go before the session players showed up, it is time for a real producer......or..... you are simply getting what you paid for. |
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