Is this another Ableton Forum or are people sane here?

[Levi Moniz]

Hey everyone,

Recently in the past couple of weeks I have been engaged in various "discussions" with folks over at the Ableton forum and, to put a long story short, disagreements have been had and it has gotten to the point where there is basically a YouTube Smear Campaign in which various Ableton forumites are just going to my YouTube videos and disliking them in an effort to exact some kind of internet revenge on me.

These events began basically when I entered a thread and (somewhat harshly) rebuked various posters for being dismissive and making d**k jokes just because they didn't like the music the subject of an article made (Sandy Vee).

In this same thread I also admitted a liking for Katy Perry's music, which brought me much ridicule.

I felt there was much to be learned and discussed in relation to the article but others obviously didn't feel that way and it eventually degenerated into the YouTube Espionage happening right now.

I'm basically asking: Is it worth my time to contribute, share, and comment here? Are we sane over here? Because honestly I am not down with being ridiculed for my personal taste in music and being the target of YouTube guerrilla tactics. I understand the value of humor but if 80% of what goes on here is a d**k joke then honestly I don't want to waste my time like I did over there.

Thanks for reading and I'm looking forward to any inputs.

Levi

[Synchronix]

Originally Posted by Levi Moniz

Hey everyone,

Recently in the past couple of weeks I have been engaged in various "discussions" with folks over at the Ableton forum and, to put a long story short, disagreements have been had and it has gotten to the point where there is basically a YouTube Smear Campaign in which various Ableton forumites are just going to my YouTube videos and disliking them in an effort to exact some kind of internet revenge on me.

These events began basically when I entered a thread and (somewhat harshly) rebuked various posters for being dismissive and making d**k jokes just because they didn't like the music the subject of an article made (Sandy Vee).

In this same thread I also admitted a liking for Katy Perry's music, which brought me much ridicule.

I felt there was much to be learned and discussed in relation to the article but others obviously didn't feel that way and it eventually degenerated into the YouTube Espionage happening right now.

I'm basically asking: Is it worth my time to contribute, share, and comment here? Are we sane over here? Because honestly I am not down with being ridiculed for my personal taste in music and being the target of YouTube guerrilla tactics. I understand the value of humor but if 80% of what goes on here is a d**k joke then honestly I don't want to waste my time like I did over there.

Thanks for reading and I'm looking forward to any inputs.

Levi

I like you way more than the "cool story bro" guy, but I think you should give Katy Perry a break and check out these vibes instead, all I can say is.. Sunshine really gets on it:



Baby, the internet will eat you alive, just put on some sunglasses and walk towards the sunlight..

[samsam]

Up until you posted on Abe's forum outlining the same thing as you are now doing here, it seems a total of 3 people had 'disliked' your YouTube vids.

That sounds like a guerilla Internet campaign to you? Really? Sounds more like your own guerilla marketing tactics IMO. which is fine, do what you wish. But at least let's have some perspective here.

[Synchronix]

Originally Posted by samsam

Up until you posted on Abe's forum outlining the same thing as you are now doing here, it seems a total of 3 people had 'disliked' your YouTube vids.

That sounds like a guerilla Internet campaign to you? Really? Sounds more like your one guerilla marketing tactics on your behalf IMO. which is fine, do what you wish. But at least let's have some perspective here.

You wanna know what, you're probably right.. except for the factor I didn't really pay attention to the links as soon as Katy Perry was mentioned.

[Levi Moniz]

Why do people always pick apart figures of speech? "Guerrilla tactics" is just a figure of speech.

And as I stated there, what are the implications? Every time one disagrees with another we go to each other's YouTube and hit "Dislike"? I don't want to be involved with that.

And btw, how many dislikes there are doesn't really matter when you KNOW who they are and why they're there (their comments identify them)

[Levi Moniz]

And why do people assume that I like Katy Perry at the exclusion of other genres and styles? How can one sanely and intelligently arrive at that conclusion?

[Synchronix]

Originally Posted by Levi Moniz

Why do people always pick apart figures of speech? "Guerrilla tactics" is just a figure of speech.

And as I stated there, what are the implications? Every time one disagrees with another we go to each other's YouTube and hit "Dislike"? I don't want to be involved with that.

And btw, how many dislikes there are doesn't really matter when you KNOW who they are and why they're there (their comments identify them)

You wanna know what, forget about it, focus on your craft and let them be tools. The internet is a vast, (relatively) anonymous place, if you let them eat you, they will.

[Alfonso Muchacho]

Dude, I'm a member of the Ableton forum and a lot of others, the thing to think when people start flaming you and going on an internet revenge mission against you is this: You've obviously got them so mad, affected them in such a huge way that they've gotten angry enough to start following you around the internet. In this case, I would sit back, smile and think about how much you've annoyed them. Sucks to be them, you move on. It's the internet, serious business......

[spaceacademy]

Dude I suspect your just looking to get some drama here. You come across as if you thrive on it. Relax

[Levi Moniz]

You know, sometimes a bit of drama is fun and perhaps even healthy, but sometimes I really do just wanna learn and have relaxed sane conversation. I suppose I was a bit exasperated when I wrote this topic, sorry for that

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[msl]

Originally Posted by Levi Moniz

You know, sometimes a bit of drama is fun and perhaps even healthy, but sometimes I really do just wanna learn and have relaxed sane conversation. I suppose I was a bit exasperated when I wrote this topic, sorry for that

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eh.. not really, we have enough drama queens as it is. Love of Perry won't get you far on this part of GS...


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[mschreiber]

this guys are just hysterical, man. do not irritate them! they know their whole ableton forum will go up in flames like a shithouse finally when bitwig is out!!!

send good vibrations man, keep love alive!

[Reptil]

This thread came from the electronic music forum, so I felt compelled to write a reply.
If there's any REAL issue with any of the posts here, just hit the "report" button. The moderators try to keep a clean ship here, we don't allow insults, coarse language (within reason), BS about pirated software, flamewars or ganging up on noobs (and a couple of other things). We like to keep things on topic, since this is the best way to communicate.
If you just disagree with someone, and this ruffled your feathers, post a comprehensive story why you disgree, and if it's going nowhere, try a witty retort, or, even better; ignore.
Since Gearslutz is rather large, and there's all kinds of people with all kinds of interests and preferences posting here, it's hard to find one specific "group think". So.. no, due to the very nature of this place, it's hardly like that other forum you described.

any positive, and insightful contribution, or posts that question something because of a good reason, are very much appreciated.
a relaxed way of looking at other people's preferences does not exclude your own passion about a subject, instrument or musical preferences.
it's pointless to argue about taste, but sometimes it's fun nonetheless...

Katy Perry? hahaha my GF likes it. Perhaps you can explain this mystery?
cheers

[Ward Pike]

WE have lots of crazies here... and I swear a few zombies from the Walking Dead too.

But we get along pretty well, all of us. And if someone's being a "french word for wash" - bag, chances are Fletcher will get to them before a moderator does and he'll strip them bare in the process.

Cheers and welcome. BTW , what the heck is Ableton? I barely have enough time for this forum 1/2 hour a day. And I love this one.

[Levi Moniz]

Haha, Ableton is a company known for Live, a daw pretty popular for combining live performance elements with the production side of things

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[pdiddy boy]

Dude you sound like a really nice guy, you should come and hang out at the Rap + Hiphop forum some time... a really cool bunch of people who will make you feel right at home.

[Levi Moniz]

Well I have lurked there but I haven't really ventured too much into rap production yet, but we'll see, thanks

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[Beat Poet]

Originally Posted by Alfonso Muchacho

Dude, I'm a member of the Ableton forum and a lot of others, the thing to think when people start flaming you and going on an internet revenge mission against you is this: You've obviously got them so mad, affected them in such a huge way that they've gotten angry enough to start following you around the internet. In this case, I would sit back, smile and think about how much you've annoyed them. Sucks to be them, you move on. It's the internet, serious business......

Yeah I got hounded out of a forum once because I wound them up. It isn't nice knowing that there are a bunch of anonymous people out there after you, but like you said, you have to laugh pretty hard about how seriously they've taken it. These people cross the line though when they start saying stuff like "you'd better be looking behind you from now on".