Maybe going to court - but am I in the wrong? - Page 3

doom64 · 15th January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisso

That would be OK if there were a clear right and wrong way to mix a song.
In fact it's all highly subjective.
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
A band loves a mix, the record company hates it.
Which is right?

One could argue a few objective mix problems.

Instruments are not separated. Such as notes being obscured or vocals being buried in the mix.

The OP stated he had a few objective directions given to the mixer, like panning of a guitar. This is a clear cut "you didn't do your job" piece of evidence.

Not having a written and SIGNED contract is what will hurt both sides and a judge may outright throw the case out.

doom64 · 15th January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisso

I'm guessing it's because many 'small claims' are petty arguments that could be settled outside of the legal system. As they preside over many similar cases each day, it's not surprising judges prefer to cut to the chase and hand down a judgement without listening to lengthy detailed argument.

This has been my experience as well. I learned a lot of lessons from small claims court. The side that cuts to the chase and has the evidence to substantiate their side typically wins. If you bloviate your chances of winning diminish.

trubadoor · 20th January 2012

I guarantee you that the judge will not ask to listen to the mix.

The quality of the mix itself will have nothing to do with outcome of the court's decision.

This is exactly the same reason why the client doesn't have a chance in winning the case.

Bad engineers will always be around and its the client's responsibility to find and hire the right man for the job. Once you agree to pay you have to pay; regardless of the outcome.

Ramshackles · 22nd January 2012

Well, I promised the final version of the song in question. So here it is. Note, this is my mix, not the duff mix:

http://soundcloud.com/ramshackles/bluebell-woods/s-MtS9F

coffeecup77 · 2nd April 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramshackles

Well, I promised the final version of the song in question. So here it is. Note, this is my mix, not the duff mix:

http://soundcloud.com/ramshackles/bluebell-woods/s-MtS9F

Hi Ramshackles,

I like !

Thanks for update.

Cheers.

Ramshackles · 2nd April 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeecup77

Hi Ramshackles,

I like !

Thanks for update.

Cheers.

Thanks! :D

pedrogoya · 7th April 2012

Man, the court would be more expensive than the job he had to do. No contracts...its your word against his. Or...youll need an Ae judge! Stay cool. It wont get nowhere!

evilpeezy · 8th April 2012

you have a leg to stand on, if he states not happy dont pay on his website end of story. If you didn't get the full mix then he lost nothing, because it states not happy don't pay. you can change your mind there is no fine print stating when you need to be happy. If i eat a big mack and i'm completely happy after eating but later i get food poisoning then I realized after further examining I am not happy. All you did was further examine the sample and realized after extensive listening its not what you wanted. He has no leg because he clearly states satisfaction guaranteed.

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20th January 2012	#63
trubadoor Gear interested Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 11	I guarantee you that the judge will not ask to listen to the mix. The quality of the mix itself will have nothing to do with outcome of the court's decision. This is exactly the same reason why the client doesn't have a chance in winning the case. Bad engineers will always be around and its the client's responsibility to find and hire the right man for the job. Once you agree to pay you have to pay; regardless of the outcome.

22nd January 2012	#64
Ramshackles Gear Head Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 45 Thread Starter	Well, I promised the final version of the song in question. So here it is. Note, this is my mix, not the duff mix: http://soundcloud.com/ramshackles/bluebell-woods/s-MtS9F

7th April 2012	#67
pedrogoya Gear maniac Joined: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 193	Man, the court would be more expensive than the job he had to do. No contracts...its your word against his. Or...youll need an Ae judge! Stay cool. It wont get nowhere!

8th April 2012	#68
evilpeezy Gear maniac Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 298	you have a leg to stand on, if he states not happy dont pay on his website end of story. If you didn't get the full mix then he lost nothing, because it states not happy don't pay. you can change your mind there is no fine print stating when you need to be happy. If i eat a big mack and i'm completely happy after eating but later i get food poisoning then I realized after further examining I am not happy. All you did was further examine the sample and realized after extensive listening its not what you wanted. He has no leg because he clearly states satisfaction guaranteed.