This is why people steal software

[shponglefan]

Originally Posted by AcoosticZoo

The solution is better implementation of copy protection that doesn't rely on user to "do" it correctly. It should be as invisible as possible.

^ This.

Valve's Steam delivery service is imho, the best example. Online store, content delivery, and copy protection in a seamless package. If we had something for apps on the PC-side, that would be awesome.

[Duardo]

You can´t "steal" software(unless you´re a shoplifter in a music store ofc), as little as you can "steal" a concert or a zoo by entering without paying admission fee.

No, you're not stealing the zoo or the concert, but you're stealing admission to the concert or zoo, which is how they generate revenue...just like you're stealing the use of the software.

Even if its user error, if it's user error related to copy protection that's still a problem with copy protection. After all, pirates don't have to deal with copy protection; making things worse for legit customers is a current practice of the software industry that I loathe with a passion.

People who steal hardware don't have to deal with paying sales tax (or paying in general). People who steal alcohol don't have to deal with the hassle of showing ID. People who steal cars don't have to deal with the hassle of registration...are you seriously suggesting that making things as easy for legitimate users as they are for thieves is a valid argument against copy protection?

[kennybro]

I've also had very difficult experiences with Celemony regarding transfer of the app to a new computer. Other than that, I've had fairly good experiences with them. Mostly, the community has been helpful, not so much the company.

[kennybro]

Originally Posted by claesbjo

You can´t "steal" software(unless you´re a shoplifter in a music store ofc), as little as you can "steal" a concert or a zoo by entering without paying admission fee.

It´s more an unauthorized usage of something people worked their a** of with and hope to get paid for.

Intellectual property is no different from physical property to the person who created or currently owns it.

A concert or a zoo visit is a one-time use. Stealing of software is the acquisition of a tool that you will use, going forward, to create other things, make money, etc... exactly as if you stole a hammer for your woodshop.

[Ward Pike]

Originally Posted by dino321

My Melodyne says it not registerd...SNIP

Oh friend, I feel for you... but you're not supposed to say things like that publicly. In writing. (I snipped out things)

[famousbass]

Here we go again:

"I'm unhappy so lets pillage and rape this developer on a forum.
I'm so unhappy, we should encourage one another to take the food out of his mouth.
Screw his family, they don't need the take home pay.
Why? Because I'm upset"

Reductio ad Pirata

Really, advocating or defending Piracy is against the rules of this forum.
Did you miss that when you signed up?

I think Melodyne is a one-man operation.
And I'll hazard a guess you are from the USA?

[shponglefan]

I don't think people are necessarily advocating piracy, but rather ticked off when copy protection schemes screw over legitimate customers. Companies that make things annoying for their customers in an effort to stop pirates are doing it wrong.

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by shponglefan

I don't think people are necessarily advocating piracy, but rather ticked off when copy protection schemes screw over legitimate customers. Companies that make things annoying for their customers in an effort to stop pirates are doing it wrong.

to be fair - blame the pirates for that!!

[leaf studios]

The reason people take things for free and dont consider others is because a large % of human nature is based on selfish self perptuation and preservation and with zero consideration of compassion for others.

If you combine this with the ethics we see our great leaders showing off ( they are all robbing parasites ) and the ethics of the rich and its banking system ) The Great parasite ) the result is a world where the minions then act like Parasites or a large %.

Its not a software issue , its human nature or the negative side which seems to be spreading via system and establishment more rotton than any illegal software downloader.

The reason software and music have suffered so badly is because the human mentality has filed them under ' non physical ' and therefore ......less valid where the word ' stealing ' is concerned.

Its only an exe file ? its not like i am stealing a ' real ' physical thing , same goes for music according to many .......thats the mentality ......

part of the problem is large % of the population are thick as dogshite and really Inconsiderate , its become a f....you world for many where all they think about is how they can benefit and what they can take.

Its due to a system and capitalism which thrives on the same ethics and is rarely about a mutual exchange or equality , always about one man getting a good deal at anothers expense.

Over Paranoid software protection does not help.......

[famousbass]

Originally Posted by shponglefan

I don't think people are necessarily advocating piracy, but rather ticked off when copy protection schemes screw over legitimate customers. Companies that make things annoying for their customers in an effort to stop pirates are doing it wrong.

Ok.
I must have been confused by the title of the thread and the tone of the OP.

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by narcoman

blame the pirates for that!!

Yep.

[shponglefan]

Originally Posted by narcoman

to be fair - blame the pirates for that!!

Hell nah. I blame the companies. There are examples of seamless, valued-added copy protection, which involves taking a more service-oriented approach. But a lot just don't do it. Yet.

Pirates are not customers. Customers are customers. Customers pay the bills, they shouldn't have to jump through hoops.

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by shponglefan

There are examples of seamless, valued-added copy protection, which involves taking a more service-oriented approach.

Like?

[shponglefan]

Originally Posted by chrisso

Like?

Valve's Steam.

[famousbass]

Originally Posted by shponglefan

Hell nah. I blame the companies. There are examples of seamless, valued-added copy protection, which involves taking a more service-oriented approach. But a lot just don't do it. Yet.

Pirates are not customers. Customers are customers. Customers pay the bills, they shouldn't have to jump through hoops.

Copy protection isn't that hard. Jumping through hoops? Ha!

Checking the locks on the studio is boring but you do that every day and one day you lose the key and need a locksmith.

I think you protest too much.

[shponglefan]

Originally Posted by famousbass

Copy protection isn't that hard. Jumping through hoops? Ha!

Checking the locks on the studio is boring but you do that every day and one day you lose the key and need a locksmith.

I think you protest too much.

And I don't think you protest enough. So there!

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by shponglefan

Valve's Steam.

Can't, in all good conscience , bring myself to support that company. The system is good though - just wish it was someone else.....

[joeq]

the other day I went to the bank to get some of MY money out

first I had to stand on a long line

then they made me fill out a slip of paper with the date and the amount of money I wanted on it.

then I had to sign it

then the guy handed it back to me because I also had to sign the back

then they looked at a copy of my signature on a computer screen

the whole time there were cameras pointing at me, filming my every move


they made me feel like a criminal and made getting my money such a hassle

clearly, this is why people rob banks