Avid asks 1500 € for Pro Tools surround audio support!

[yoshimodular]

WTF!!!!!!

1500 €!!!

That's almost the price of Nuendo!

Another reason to avoid using Pro Tools...

[JoRillo]

There are cheaper plug in options.

[yoshimodular]

For Pro Tools? I don't think that a plugin will let me have 5.1 audio channels.

[JoRillo]

I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I just went threw a pro tools course, and when the instructor brought up the no surround sound for non-hd and whatever the special edition of it is, he mentioned there were plug ins to get around this, and they were much cheaper. I don't want to post something in hast, but in googling surround sound pro tools plug ins, I found a nice list.

[yoshimodular]

The fact is that Pro Tools only allows mono and stereo tracks if you don't have the add-on
(http://akmedia.digidesign.com/news/d...t_DS_54504.pdf). Of course, you can mix in surround, but using mono buss tricks, what it is awful and painful.

[Duardo]

That's almost the price of Nuendo!

Why is that surprising?

[yoshimodular]

Well, it's a scam!

I mean, you are paying a BIG amount of money just for having some features that you should already have. For a little more you can buy a used TDM system, just for that kind of job. Anyway, I think it's obscene.

[RScott]

I'm almost certain there is a mono to surround plugin that reroutes tracks to fake a surround track, but I can't think of the name for the life of me.

Attempted to mix surround using Reaper at home, and I can't stand the workflow of the Cockos surround tool tbh, or really Reaper's track routing in general. I can force it to do what I need though.

PT is expensive, especially as a toy system. There are cheaper alternatives for playing around with. For anyone who needs Surround as a daily workflow feature, PT should be affordable. If it's still too expensive, there are lots of altenative programs that offer similar, different, or better features. That sounds like a lot of win. Options for the big guys and the litte guys and guys like me who work big but like to play at home for fun too.

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[yoshimodular]

I do work with a surround capable program, Nuendo, but, as everybody knows, the standard to move projects around is Pro Tools, so I need it to provide 100% compatible sessions. It's a terrible shame that there is not a truly universal format for that (OMF sharing is kind of joke)

[Duardo]

I do work with a surround capable program, Nuendo, but, as everybody knows, the standard to move projects around is Pro Tools, so I need it to provide 100% compatible sessions.

I still don't understand why it's so distressing that you would have to pay the same amount for a surround-capable version of Pro Tools...which, as you've pointed out, is "the standard"...as you've paid for Nuendo, which is a great program but not the standard.

[yoshimodular]

Duardo, paying 1500 € + taxes for that is just a scam, that's why it's distressing. But you're right, it's the f****g standard, so I will keep working with this regular version and I will buy the expansion toolkit or an old TDM system just for this task.

By the way, Cubase, for less than 600 $/€, taxes inc., has a very nice surround support (I guess that Logic too, but I never tried in that way).

By the way, the whole PT Native is terribly overpriced and overrated. I call PT 10 Native Nuendo 2, because most of new features was part of Nuendo 2 in 2003 or so. So having such a overpriced standard, we are not doing anything good for the industry.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by yoshimodular

By the way, the whole PT Native is terribly overpriced and overrated. I call PT 10 Native Nuendo 2, because most of new features was part of Nuendo 2 in 2003 or so. So having such a overpriced standard, we are not doing anything good for the industry.

By that logic, shouldn't Nuendo be called PT Lite, since there's features in PT that aren't a part of Nuendo, Cubase OR Logic?

Revolution's gotta start somewhere. Go for it! Meanwhile, some of us have a living to earn...

[yoshimodular]

The only feature that I miss in Nuendo is playlist. Everything else is included and improved.

BTW, this is the moan zone,right? ;-)

[passmore]

$1500 buddy you better shop around because you can get way less than that

[yoshimodular]

passmore, any suggestion?

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by yoshimodular

The only feature that I miss in Nuendo is playlist. Everything else is included and improved.

BTW, this is the moan zone,right? ;-)

VCA faders?

Advanced timecode options?

Advanced automation features?

Any other number of post-related features?

If you actually NEED surround sound (and not just fancy it to play with) you most likely need the rest of the features the CPTK provides. Because let's face it, the only real use for surround is when there's video involved as well.

[T_R_S]

I think Disk Cache, VCA's, a higher track count make the CPTK/HD worth it.

[Duardo]

Duardo, paying 1500 € + taxes for that is just a scam, that's why it's distressing.

It's expensive, but I still don't see how it's a "scam".

[neilwilkes]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Because let's face it, the only real use for surround is when there's video involved as well.

Get serious!
That is the single most ill-informed thing I have read in a long, long time.
The market for surround music is admittedly niche, but thisis largely down to statements such as yours & the lack of any serious promotion.

A well crafted surround mix (check out anything by Elliot Scheiner, Steven Wilson, Al Schmitt, Morten Lind etc) puts you in a completely different place acoustically - and I am not talking about crap surround such as the abysmal mess made of "Station to Station" (and yes, I am a huge Bowie fan but that mix blows) and other stuff that is hypercompressed L/R, unused Centre channel & reverb in the rears either but a properly crafted mix.

With very few exceptions, all the people I play surround music to get it immediately, usually followed up with "where can I get this" and "why did nobody tell me about this before".

Recommended listening:
The Alan Parsons Quad mix of "Dark Side of the Moon" (not the 5.1 Guthrie mix)
Anything by Porcupine Tree
Elliot Scheiner's mix of "Nirvana Unplugged"
Fleetwood Mac "Rumours"
Any of the 40th Anniversary King Crmson releases
Any of the Depeche Mode releases, especially "Exciter" & "Violator"
T- Rex' "Electric Warrior"

The list could go on & on.
Video just gets in the way of actually listening to the music

[cdog]

*extreme restraint to not take cheap shots at PT/Avid and troll the bejeezus outta this thread*

Whew that was close.

[ShadowAMD]

Originally Posted by yoshimodular

WTF!!!!!!

1500 €!!!

That's almost the price of Nuendo!

Another reason to avoid using Pro Tools...

I moved from PT HD to Samp:

LOL

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Personally and it may only be me, but I find PT a bit of a rip off.

[yoshimodular]

I agree with Neil: surround music is simply AMAZING. The big point is having a properly calibrated system.