Why do we want to put our names on other people's records? - Page 7

lobsterinn · 1st January 2012

So much for this thread...

broadscotch · 1st January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by FruHauven

...I'm not gonna quote you anymore for obvious reasons man...everyone here can read...maybe a new year will give you a fresh approach to your place in this world.

I'm glad I'm not the only one giving him a hard time...

Sim · 8th January 2012

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Originally Posted by willylumplumps

I asked a fellow songwriter one time what he had been listening to lately...Mostly just to make small talk...

He said : "I don't really listen to other people's music because I don't want it to affect my style of writing."

That guy was an idiot.

There's nothing wrong in knowing what other people have done before you. Just don't try to recreate it.

I asked imagine heap that once she pretty much said the same thing

Paulie Storm · 9th January 2012

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Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Why do we want to make records that sound like other records?

I don't get it. Haven't those records already been made?

What joy do we get from merely emulating someone else's art?

What preamp did they use on Dark Side of the Moon?

What board did they mix "Back in Black" on?

How do I get the guitar amp sound from XXXXX?

Why do we care? Why don't we just create art without referencing other art?

Or is it that we just want to put our names on other people's records?

AMEN TO THAT!!!

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Multicore · 10th January 2012

As an exception to trying to always be original, there are times when being able to copy someone else’s work quite closely can be a financial benefit. Look at artists like Weird Al, or Bob Rivers-Twisted Tunes that parody recordings sometimes so closely they sound almost exactly like the original. Now, I realize that isn’t how you should approach doing something actually original, but that skill is nice to have. Without that near perfect rip off the song would have less impact.

Also, I do music for some independent film makers, and in the process of working on the film the director will use a temporary score and or songs. They get so in love with these pieces of music and how they work with the scenes and editing sometimes that they simply will not accept any “original” music that doesn’t have the same feel, vibe and production values. So in those cases you may need to have the ability to create something that is “original” that you personally feel is a rip off of someone else.

Also doing music for commercials and film, there is need to sometimes create a near exact cover of a piece because the director may only have the funds for the mechanical rights to a song that they want to use in their production and not the master use rights which can be prohibitive cost wise. In those cases the mechanical rights gives them rights to then record and produce the music of someone else. Like a cover of the Stones vs. the actual Stones recording. The cover will cost them less than using the original recording, and they will go to the musician / producer that can handle the task. You hear it in films all the time.

If you are only interested in producing your own hit song that’s one thing, but crafting the skills to recreate something that already exists only strengthens your knowledge of sonics and enhances your abilities. Doesn’t mean you have to make it a goal. I practice scales and modes on guitar not because that’s all I’m ever going to play, but having that knowledge makes my vocabulary stronger.

Kenny Gioia · 21st January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by FruHauven

Whoever started this thread deserves a serious

This thread hasn't had a response in a week.

How'd you find it?

Search by author?

ivmike · 21st January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

This thread hasn't had a response in a week.

How'd you find it?

Search by author?

Hahahahaha!

RaySoul · 21st January 2012

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Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

...on this particular forum, there seems to be a lot of "how do I get this sound" and it confuses me. Why not create your own? Why not create a sound that works well with the parts that you wrote? Rather than sound like a well established previous record?

Because, most people follow. There are very few leaders. Most people don't know what's "hot" until someone else tells them. Music, like most other "popular" cultural interests, is based on trends. Most of the production I've done since I've been in the music industry has been with an artist or executive telling me they need a 'Janet Jackson type' sound. Or a 'Prince type' sound. Or, they tell you they want something original, and are then afraid of what you bring them. "Oh, I don't know. I like it, but..." Then, you present something more along the first line and they go with it. Because, it's familiar to them. That's why few stand out. It has been, and will always be this way...

Kenny Gioia · 21st January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaySoul

Because, most people follow. There are very few leaders. Most people don't know what's "hot" until someone else tells them. Music, like most other "popular" cultural interests, is based on trends. Most of the production I've done since I've been in the music industry has been with an artist or executive telling me they need a 'Janet Jackson type' sound. Or a 'Prince type' sound. Or, they tell you they want something original, and are then afraid of what you bring them. "Oh, I don't know. I like it, but..." Then, you present something more along the first line and they go with it. Because, it's familiar to them. That's why few stand out. It has been, and will always be this way...

Bob Olhsson · 21st January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaySoul

...Most people don't know what's "hot" until someone else tells them. ...

The first time I heard the James Brown Band, James Cleveland or Count Basie perform live, I can assure you nobody needed to tell anybody in that room what was hot!

Certainly music is often fashion but it most certainly can be a whole lot more than merely fashion!

Kenny Gioia · 21st January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by FruHauven

SO why is it that he overbearing posters on this thread seem to think this is a bad thing?

I think it's great that people like you like to follow people like me. Maybe you could learn something?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FruHauven

If everyone was equally as good as everyone else...nobody would stand out would they...it's life...

My goal was to encourage everyone to be innovators. To inspire.

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Originally Posted by FruHauven

so isn't it a LOT weird to have folks that fancy themselves innovators actually starting (or occupying) a thread that berates others for being followers.

What does "a LOT weird" mean?

Where did I fancy myself an innovator?

Can you point to that post?

You are the king of assumptions my friend.

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Originally Posted by FruHauven

I would suggest that most of us fall into the category of sometimes leading and sometimes following...

Don't think you're in the position to decide what "most of us" do.

Speak for yourself. That's what the rest of us in this thread have done.

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Originally Posted by FruHauven

I've been integral to lots of situations where I wasn't leading the way...it's called having a role.

Like for instance…

Oh. I know. I know.

All of my threads?????

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Originally Posted by FruHauven

BTW the new format here is great you can keep track of the threads you have been involved in very easily and check in from time time to see what's happening.

Is that the Kenny Gioia app they've added?

I noticed we sold one a few days ago.

Thanks for the support.

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Originally Posted by FruHauven

what the dinglebats are you going on about man?

Ummm…

T…T…T…rollin'

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Originally Posted by FruHauven

a little stressed?

Nah. I find it humorous that you think you can somehow make me look stupid by disagreeing with everything I say in every thread I respond to.

Apparently, I've gotten under your skin and rather than deal with it, you've decided that acting like a child will somehow make you feel better.

How's it going?

The thing is. I may not be perfect. But anyone that disagrees with EVERYTHING I say is going to just end up looking silly.

Now, you wouldn't want that. Would you?

Kenny Gioia · 21st January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson

The first time I heard the James Brown Band, James Cleveland or Count Basie perform live, I can assure you nobody needed to tell anybody in that room what was hot!

Certainly music is often fashion but it most certainly can be a whole lot more than merely fashion!

Yeah. But Bob.

You, of all people, know how and that times have changed.

Were people really "chasing" waves back then the way they are now?

I could see a few record executives from today hearing that stuff for the first time and saying "yeah, it's great. But what format can we push this to radio?"

No?

Kenny Gioia · 21st January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaySoul

Most people don't know what's "hot" until someone else tells them.

Two A&R men are talking and one asks, "So what did you think of the new demo?". The other says, "I don't know, I'm the only one that's listened to it so far."

Did you hear the one about the A&R man that got run over by a train? He just didn't "hear it".

Har-har

Multicore · 21st January 2012

Originality is the fine art of remembering what you hear, but forgetting where you heard it. : )

Sqye · 21st January 2012

.

Honestly, I have no desire to have my name on other people's music.

I mostly write and produce and mix my own music. For me.

Yes, I do commercial music for others - agents, film makers, library/publishers, etc.

But even here, I'm mostly doing everything - including (pseudo) mastering.

But REALLY - I only want to see Kenny's name on other people's music.

.

Kenny Gioia · 21st January 2012

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Originally Posted by Multicore

Originality is the fine art of remembering what you hear, but forgetting where you heard it. : )

Nice take on the "Originality is the art of concealing your source" quote.

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Originally Posted by Sqye

.

But REALLY - I only want to see Kenny's name on other people's music.

.

Yeah. Me too.

Sqye · 21st January 2012

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Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Nice take on the "Originality is the art of concealing your source" quote.

Yeah. Me too.

.

GO, mutherf7cker!

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JP11 · 21st January 2012

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Originally Posted by Multicore

Originality is the fine art of remembering what you hear, but forgetting where you heard it. : )

Which was apparently said by Laurence J. Peter...or did you forget...?

Is there an original thought in this thread? Ummmm, probably not...

Kenny Gioia · 22nd January 2012

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Originally Posted by JP11

Which was apparently said by Laurence J. Peter...or did you forget...?

Is there an original thought in this thread? Ummmm, probably not...

Are you claiming to be the first person to notice that?

JP11 · 22nd January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Are you claiming to be the first person to notice that?

Sure...why not...you can't copyright noticing stuff can you?

Noticing stuff is not noticing what's already been noticed...

Sqye · 22nd January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP11

Sure...why not...you can't copyright noticing stuff can you?

Noticing stuff is not noticing what's already been noticed...

.

Multicore · 22nd January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP11

Which was apparently said by Laurence J. Peter...or did you forget...?

No, but Im working on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP11

Sure...why not...you can't copyright noticing stuff can you?

Noticing stuff is not noticing what's already been noticed...

I noticed that.

Multicore · 22nd January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Nice take on the "Originality is the art of concealing your source" quote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Are you claiming to be the first person to notice that?

I wish I had said that!

Thanks Kenny!

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Multicore Gear Head Joined: Nov 2011 Location: Wheatstone Bridge Posts: 74	As an exception to trying to always be original, there are times when being able to copy someone else’s work quite closely can be a financial benefit. Look at artists like Weird Al, or Bob Rivers-Twisted Tunes that parody recordings sometimes so closely they sound almost exactly like the original. Now, I realize that isn’t how you should approach doing something actually original, but that skill is nice to have. Without that near perfect rip off the song would have less impact. Also, I do music for some independent film makers, and in the process of working on the film the director will use a temporary score and or songs. They get so in love with these pieces of music and how they work with the scenes and editing sometimes that they simply will not accept any “original” music that doesn’t have the same feel, vibe and production values. So in those cases you may need to have the ability to create something that is “original” that you personally feel is a rip off of someone else. Also doing music for commercials and film, there is need to sometimes create a near exact cover of a piece because the director may only have the funds for the mechanical rights to a song that they want to use in their production and not the master use rights which can be prohibitive cost wise. In those cases the mechanical rights gives them rights to then record and produce the music of someone else. Like a cover of the Stones vs. the actual Stones recording. The cover will cost them less than using the original recording, and they will go to the musician / producer that can handle the task. You hear it in films all the time. If you are only interested in producing your own hit song that’s one thing, but crafting the skills to recreate something that already exists only strengthens your knowledge of sonics and enhances your abilities. Doesn’t mean you have to make it a goal. I practice scales and modes on guitar not because that’s all I’m ever going to play, but having that knowledge makes my vocabulary stronger.

21st January 2012	#194
Multicore Gear Head Joined: Nov 2011 Location: Wheatstone Bridge Posts: 74	Originality is the fine art of remembering what you hear, but forgetting where you heard it. : )