the sell out continues

[Brainchild]

Seriously, SHUT THE **** UP. You're an embarrassment to yourself and everyone who reads this thread.

[djugel]

Originally Posted by audioconsult

ironical? thats an original.. when some ugly copycats cant leave theire fingers from it its not the fault of the track..

as i say..tar and feathers for the sample suckers...only original music moves the world.

I think that's a track that's been sampled tastefully...

I had your back man.,.. but now you're dissing me and I think you might have a problem...

[HomeProducer]

Deleted by moderator - no religion please

[RRCHON]

Meh, this thread is already bad enough because it is a necro thread and now it has turned into some sort of political rant by kids who do not even understand the basic building blocks and dynamism of their own value system versus other divergent ones built from the same crap.

A good book to read, written by a former nun, if you want to get a grasp on actual research rather than just what Fox News spits out. You'll mellow out as you age and meet more people, unless you just only surround yourself with people who think just like you, and that is a sad way to go through life (mind you, I said sad / not wrong.)

A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Karen Armstrong.

I am not pimping the book, just recommending it, I have nothing to gain or loose by anyone learning something new from it. Was a pretty interesting read for me on an intellectual level.

Didn't 3P already catch a ban because of this thread?

This thread was much cooler when it has stuff like this in it:

[Reptil]

right... NO POLITICS, NO RACISM (OF ANY KIND), NO RELIGION READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING!

[kcearl]

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[kcearl]

Originally Posted by Reptil

right... NO POLITICS, NO RACISM (OF ANY KIND), NO RELIGION READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING!

oops sorry, Id already posted.

[Reptil]

no problem
just stop all this
it's pointless

LaLa earned himself an official warning for starting this,
DO NOT DO THIS AGAIN. thanks for understanding.

[sakamoto]

I don't know... but I think this thread should be go to The Moan Zone. After 5 pages...remind me this...

[oneski]

Originally Posted by sakamoto

I don't know... but I think this thread should be go to The Moan Zone. After 5 pages...remind me this...

damn right it should go into the moan zone.

audioconsult, you're deliberately contentious with your monopoly of facts.

how can you honestly say anything objective about a generation of music and musicians that you're completely out of touch with?

[ionian]

Originally Posted by Reptil

LaLa earned himself an official warning for starting this,
DO NOT DO THIS AGAIN. thanks for understanding.

A warning!? One time I said something about Katy Perry and I got an infraction!

Granted the mod who gave me the infraction is a Katy Perry fanboy so I should have known better...

But still...Just a warning?! I want you presiding over all my posts from now on!!!


Regards,
Frank

[audioconsult]

Originally Posted by oneski

damn right it should go into the moan zone.

audioconsult, you're deliberately contentious with your monopoly of facts.

how can you honestly say anything objective about a generation of music and musicians that you're completely out of touch with?

out of touch with lamos? sure..beside that i am more in touch with contemporary scene than most of you. professionally and privat. that i only release something every few years theese days shouldnt cloud that i do and live electronic music on a daily base... after 32 years as releasing experimental electronic artist i assume that it is a game for live time.


And i ve monopol on my opinion.. Especially because i founded it myself and havent read it in other peoples articles..

But the ethics behind music production is a common good and should be shared.
Especially in times where artistical integrity seems to be an alien concept.
The world is only as corrupted as you allow it to be

You can hide this thread in the moan zone as you want..that wont change a thing-.

only real music moves the world. often unrealized, one single track can be responsible for a whole genre or even movement..but this track wont be based on loop construction kits or stealing hooks from other records.

[oneski]

Originally Posted by audioconsult

out of touch with lamos? sure..beside that i am more in touch with contemporary scene than most of you.

that's what i mean, you're out of touch with the market that generates and consumes them and you're ranting about it. your contemporary "scene" is one of thousands spanning generations all over the globe.

if you can demonstrate with examples the truth to what you're saying then please do.

Originally Posted by audioconsult

lamo loops make lame musicans..only lame musicans use lamo loops.. thats a matter of fact..

because at the moment you seem to be deliberately mixing fact and subjective opinion which is exactly the kind of thing that gets people riled up on the the internet, and which is why it should be in the moan zone.

most of the rest of what you're saying is quite beautiful, really.

[zerocrossing]

Originally Posted by ttown23

Listen to this person, he gives great advice!

Me for king!

[zerocrossing]

Originally Posted by audioconsult

lamo loops make lame musicans..only lame musicans use lamo loops.. thats a matter of fact..

And nobody that uses that stuff qualifies as artist. thats a bad joke to even think in that direction.

And please leave warhol alone because you obviously have no understanding of his work really.. He is noot the godfather of generic music production and copycat fakery... far from it actually

Sorry sir, I understand Warhol pretty well. Studied fine art at a pretty well regarded university. Don't debate me on the nature of modern art. I warn you, I'm a ninja on art babble b.s.

Oh well, I can't help it.

A large part of what Warhol's work is about is context, the same way any loop is. So sure, take a lame loop and just have it running alone in your song and yeah, it's lame, the same way. But take that lame house loop and find a creative way to mix it with a heavy metal loop that's in a complementary mode... now you may be getting somewhere. In a similar way, Warhol took "lame" Campbell Soup cans and rendered them on canvas and used motif repetition to create a "looped beat" of sorts in the visual world. Stuff that into the context of a fine art gallery and it starts to become about something. A commentary on art more than anything else, but that was all the rage at the time.

So, to me you sound a lot like the critics and the Society of Independent Artistes who sh!t their pants when Marcel Duchamp put a urinal in their show and signed it. They couldn't understand it. They couldn't look past what the piece was made of. Anyway, I'm done with this conversation because I prefer to have an open mind on everything and not slam it just because of the materials a piece of art is made of.

[ttown23]

Originally Posted by zerocrossing

Me for king!

Well, it seemed like a good thing to write at the time

But seriously, we are on the same page with this. Would be cool to hang out sometime. If you're ever in the LA area, hit me up via PM

[audioconsult]

Originally Posted by zerocrossing

Sorry sir, I understand Warhol pretty well. Studied fine art at a pretty well regarded university. Don't debate me on the nature of modern art. I warn you, I'm a ninja on art babble b.s.

Oh well, I can't help it.

A large part of what Warhol's work is about is context, the same way any loop is. So sure, take a lame loop and just have it running alone in your song and yeah, it's lame, the same way. But take that lame house loop and find a creative way to mix it with a heavy metal loop that's in a complementary mode... now you may be getting somewhere. In a similar way, Warhol took "lame" Campbell Soup cans and rendered them on canvas and used motif repetition to create a "looped beat" of sorts in the visual world. Stuff that into the context of a fine art gallery and it starts to become about something. A commentary on art more than anything else, but that was all the rage at the time.

So, to me you sound a lot like the critics and the Society of Independent Artistes who sh!t their pants when Marcel Duchamp put a urinal in their show and signed it. They couldn't understand it. They couldn't look past what the piece was made of. Anyway, I'm done with this conversation because I prefer to have an open mind on everything and not slam it just because of the materials a piece of art is made of.

? you studied what? that obviously has´nt created an understanding on the topic..

and open mind? come one.. it has nothing to do with an open mind to sanctonize any lame action or crime.. thats just ignorant and ignorance and an open mind contradict each other...

[audioconsult]

Originally Posted by oneski

because at the moment you seem to be deliberately mixing fact and subjective opinion which is exactly the kind of thing that gets people riled up on the the internet, and which is why it should be in the moan zone.

most of the rest of what you're saying is quite beautiful, really.

thats not true.. its a logical matter of fact that truly original content cant be created out of already used materials..

And its also a matter of fact that the creative act in its pure form is creating out of thin air... so gods work..

Of cause no artists is creating out of thin air and especially music is based on stylistic trends and key phrases and melodys..


But leaving the own musical and creative act out of the loop when producing the variations of this key phrases, and just buy or steal them somewhere is a lame or even criminal act.. thats a fact.

What is the motivation doing this? taht you dont have time? or that you dont have own ideas? How can you do artwork without doing the art?

That the whole cultural process suffers by faked art and music is a fact too..

So i think its safe to say that using lamp lopps will lead to lame or lamer music ..

In any case its 100% true that only lame people use this creative croaches..

Just the question whether a one time abuse qualifies to call somebody really a lame person.. in the moment they do it..definitely..on the long run we have to consider the total body of work of that person and calling someone a lamer fpor a single preset use would be unfair.

so its a bit provocative to formulate that as an absolute verdict...

But in the very moment someone uses preset content the person should be awaree that he/she is laming and comitting an artistical fraud towards themself and the audience in that very moment.. And that the track has suffered by this action..and in case the frankensteinered product gets a success ..the whole scene suffers from that because once more a lie passed thru undetected...


The whole thread is about making people aware of that..call it moaning or not..its not about subjektive opinios..its about a a really shitty production practice that is spreading more and more and really ruins the electronic dance music scene .. at least teh comercial level goes down the drain and clublive comes to an hold. Has happend end of the 90´s allready.. than it recovered..now its happening again..

Sorry.. thats not subjective.. And as somebody with an actual and international scene contact you know that.

electronic music is not as hot as it was 5 years ago.. or 3 years ago.. or even 2 years ago..

and that in all related genres. Its pretty obvious what is going on and that the generic loop manufactors have the most prosperous times in their live right now..

[audioconsult]

Originally Posted by djugel

I think that's a track that's been sampled tastefully...

I had your back man.,.. but now you're dissing me and I think you might have a problem...

i am not talking about your sampled track i call about the many releases that sampled the track.. just adding another vocal sample.. and calling it their own track and released it under their own name..

I know Beate Bartelt who has the taperights on that tracks and she has sewed quite a few copycats when this was happening on bigger lables. She is so pissed of by it, by now, that she dont even agrees to propper remix requests anymore..


Thats actually the only way to approach such tracks..they are no cheap sample source for musical fakes.. the only thing you can do is to do a remix of the track..maybe even an unauthorized one..

Than your release is a bootleg.. and not under your name..than its still a liasons dangereux track..and all licencing money belongs to the original authors.. you might however get away with the hardware sales of the vinyl..


So..when you take other artists material its a remix..and the resulting track belongs to them.. you can put it for free on youtube than or offer it to the original act..

thats about what you can do..as a labour of love and respect for the original track..

So except you just do it for the fun its a waste of time to do such things without beeing hired to do them..

But calling a remix a remix, and keeping the original artists and track name just add that sits a remix by you, is the only fair way of handling such things..
Everything else is actually really a crime before law...

The funny thing is that official legal remixes have often way less to do with the remixed track than the copycat versions that stick to the hooks 1:1 that some peopel dare to sell under theire own name..

Isnt that a bit odd and shows how lame some of these copycats really are on the open ended lamers scale?


And..

using loop packs and selling the resulting music under your own name is not so much different to that..

You perform remixing..but have bought the right to dont mention the real artists names.. so its no crime..

But still lame

[audioconsult]

I think you should opress this link when you want to add to the discussion without moaning and racist agitations or whatever..

se it as nested loops :-)

The sellout continues

[zerocrossing]

Originally Posted by audioconsult

? you studied what? that obviously has´nt created an understanding on the topic..

and open mind? come one.. it has nothing to do with an open mind to sanctonize any lame action or crime.. thats just ignorant and ignorance and an open mind contradict each other...

So you find nothing ignorant... or arrogant: about judging a song based on what it's made from before you even hear it?

Yeah, I studied fine art. My major was computer graphics and multimedia. I think it gave me a good foundation from which to speak of both music and visual art, such as Warhol. There's really no element in aural or visual arts that's totally unique anyway. It's not obvious to you.

[audioconsult]

Originally Posted by zerocrossing

So you find nothing ignorant... or arrogant: about judging a song based on what it's made from before you even hear it?

Yeah, I studied fine art. My major was computer graphics and multimedia. I think it gave me a good foundation from which to speak of both music and visual art, such as Warhol. There's really no element in aural or visual arts that's totally unique anyway. It's not obvious to you.

when its made of poo it will stink like poo.. ok..there might be a little chance that someoone made it to polish the turd..but even if so... what would be prooved with that? poo can be delicious? even when thios would be the case i dont really like to know...

and thats not because of ignorance.. i checked the stuff already.. dont like to do it again..its a waste of time..

[ttown23]

Originally Posted by audioconsult

when its made of poo it will stink like poo.. ok..there might be a little chance that someoone made it to polish the turd..but even if so... what would be prooved with that? poo can be delicious? even when thios would be the case i dont really like to know...

and thats not because of ignorance.. i checked the stuff already.. dont like to do it again..its a waste of time..

I'm sorry, but your reply is bordering on outrageous.

OK guys, I'm gonna call it. This is the longest thread ever!