Why do guitar and bass players do this?!?!?!

XHipHop · 17th August 2003

So a song is coming to an end and *suprise*, the guitar player actually made it all the way through without messing up. They sustain the last chord at the end of the song for a few seconds...cool, you can use that as a fadeout or something...and then all of the sudden they start noodling on the guitar and playing random bits and pieces! WTF! Maybe they didn't notice you are still recording, but it seems that more often than not, a guitar player feels like an impromtu guitar session should bust out 3 seconds after the song ends.

Bass players, you are guilty too.

Too often i have to edit this crap out and then i have to compromise on the ending of the song because of this or have to retrack more parts.

During mixing... "uhh...could you make the fadeout last a litttle longer?"

Me: "LISTEN to what you played!!!"

Them: "Oh...do whatever then."

And do you think they learn the next time i track the same band(s)?

Nah.

Sorry, had to vent.

alphajerk · 17th August 2003

you have to remind them every session. sometimes more than once. also to keep from talking on the fadeout as well. i just make the fade more abrupt and be done with it if thats how it is.

e-cue · 17th August 2003

Even worse for me is, vocalists that bent out nonsence right before punching them it. When you DO punch them in, the compressor hasn't even recovered and it SOUNDS like a punch.

Idiots.

There should be a law.

Jules · 17th August 2003

Look serious and put your finger up to your lips in a "shhhhh be quiet!" motion, when they see you, scowl & waggle your finger in a 'dont f**k around, I am serious" fashion... tutt That can mutate into an OK sign if they behave and leave out the Yungwie Malmsteen bollox...

They soon learn! And the distracting gestures prohibit them from doing anything but looking at you & holding the last chord.

Try it!

e-cue · 18th August 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Jules
Look serious and put your finger up to your lips in a "shhhhh be quiet!" motion, when they see you, scowl & waggle your finger in a 'dont f**k around, I am serious" fashion... tutt That can mutate into an OK sign if they behave and leave out the Yungwie Malmsteen bollox...

They soon learn! And the distracting gestures prohibit them from doing anything but looking at you & holding the last chord.

Try it!

Yeah... I'll try that next time I work with the Wu Tang Clan...

cymatics · 18th August 2003

Just finished a day with a drummer who could not remeber to NOT put his sticks together at the end of each take.

I feel your pain.

- jon

Dave Martin · 18th August 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by e-cue
Yeah... I'll try that next time I work with the Wu Tang Clan...

PLease take pictures (or an audio tape) when you try it...

Steve Smith · 18th August 2003

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Originally posted by Dave Martin
PLease take pictures (or an audio tape) when you try it...

yeah, and besides from entertaining us, they will probablly come in handy during the law suit..

Jax · 18th August 2003

Didn't it used to not matter as much?

I can think of tunes by everyone from the Beatles to Van Halen to Led Zep where they were either talking, drinking, or ****ing around with their instrument at some point before, during or after the take.

I give the evil eye to the industry on this one. Nowadays, at least compared to music from 20-40 years ago, everything has to be trimmed up too perfectly. I say let the musicians relax... but then they complain about stuff sounding woggy!

They gotta know this ain't no rehearsal, nor is it a playground. It's costing somebody money, so take it seriously.

davemc · 18th August 2003

Also when they turn there pedal off during the fade.
I mean they have to save those batteries.
5 seconds more equals a flat one.

mandiil · 18th August 2003

I worked with a drummer who on several occasions (on the same recording) told us in the controlroom that he thought that this was a good take, before the cymbals had rang out.

e-cue · 18th August 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Smith
yeah, and besides from entertaining us, they will probablly come in handy during the law suit..

You have no idea the stories I have. Love those guys...

toledo3 · 18th August 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by cymatics
Just finished a day with a drummer who could not remeber to NOT put his sticks together at the end of each take.

I feel your pain.

- jon

Oh man. This is very common in this neck of the woods. Everybody holding the chord, then "click".

Actually, the just holding out the chord thing kind of sucks, when the guys do it on EVERY SONG! When I notice this, I tell them they have to think of better endings.

One time I was recording some guys that let the chord ring out on every song, so I told them on one song that they should end it "tight" with the drummer grabbing the cymbal to mute it. That ended up being the killer take but the guitar player screwed it up and ended a quarter note later. So I slapped a "feedback echo" type effect on the errant guitar chord, and it ended up being the most distinctive ending on the record.

nd33 · 19th August 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by e-cue
You have no idea the stories I have. Love those guys...

Please tell us a story!
I'm going to watch RZA next week, he's coming through my town.

17th August 2003	#1
XHipHop Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 3,856 Thread Starter	Why do guitar and bass players do this?!?!?! So a song is coming to an end and suprise, the guitar player actually made it all the way through without messing up. They sustain the last chord at the end of the song for a few seconds...cool, you can use that as a fadeout or something...and then all of the sudden they start noodling on the guitar and playing random bits and pieces! WTF! Maybe they didn't notice you are still recording, but it seems that more often than not, a guitar player feels like an impromtu guitar session should bust out 3 seconds after the song ends. Bass players, you are guilty too. Too often i have to edit this crap out and then i have to compromise on the ending of the song because of this or have to retrack more parts. During mixing... "uhh...could you make the fadeout last a litttle longer?" Me: "LISTEN to what you played!!!" Them: "Oh...do whatever then." And do you think they learn the next time i track the same band(s)? Nah. Sorry, had to vent. __________________ XHipHop.com is back! Looking for guest posts!

17th August 2003	#2
alphajerk There is only one Joined: Jun 2002 Location: asheville NC Posts: 5,260	you have to remind them every session. sometimes more than once. also to keep from talking on the fadeout as well. i just make the fade more abrupt and be done with it if thats how it is. __________________ "i must invent my own systems or else be enslaved by other men's'" william blake __________________________ email: barrett [at] alphajerk [dot] com

17th August 2003	#4
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Joined: Apr 2002 Location: A Yank in London, UK Posts: 17,805 1 Review written	Look serious and put your finger up to your lips in a "shhhhh be quiet!" motion, when they see you, scowl & waggle your finger in a 'dont f**k around, I am serious" fashion... tutt That can mutate into an OK sign if they behave and leave out the Yungwie Malmsteen bollox... They soon learn! And the distracting gestures prohibit them from doing anything but looking at you & holding the last chord. Try it! __________________ Jules Add your reviews to the new reviews area! Gearslutz on Facebook Follow my GS picks on Twitter

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cymatics Gear addict Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Charm City Posts: 303	Just finished a day with a drummer who could not remeber to NOT put his sticks together at the end of each take. I feel your pain. - jon __________________ There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not.

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davemc Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Melb, Australia Posts: 1,021	Also when they turn there pedal off during the fade. I mean they have to save those batteries. 5 seconds more equals a flat one. __________________ Bye Ya Dave INDENT

17th August 2003	#3
e-cue Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 4,069	Even worse for me is, vocalists that bent out nonsence right before punching them it. When you DO punch them in, the compressor hasn't even recovered and it SOUNDS like a punch. Idiots. There should be a law.

18th August 2003	#9
Jax Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4,779	Didn't it used to not matter as much? I can think of tunes by everyone from the Beatles to Van Halen to Led Zep where they were either talking, drinking, or **ing around with their instrument at some point before, during or after the take. I give the evil eye to the industry on this one. Nowadays, at least compared to music from 20-40 years ago, everything has to be trimmed up too perfectly. I say let the musicians relax... but then they** complain about stuff sounding woggy! They gotta know this ain't no rehearsal, nor is it a playground. It's costing somebody money, so take it seriously.

18th August 2003	#11
mandiil Gear Head Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 35	I worked with a drummer who on several occasions (on the same recording) told us in the controlroom that he thought that this was a good take, before the cymbals had rang out.

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