Is it Starting to Look and Smell Like RO Here?

[Jax]

I don't care who shows up here, infact I welcome those who have anything of value to share. Just noticing that the Gearslutz vibe is starting include the recording.org wavelength, for better and worse.

"It's a free country," and you can, for the most part, say whatever you want whenever and wherever you want.

Although ironically we all know Jules makes his home in the UK.

[Steve Smith]

I think it is up to the regular posters here to protect the vibe, I have seen both musicplayer and recpit go down the shitter and I am not wanting that to happen here, lets keep the audio threads going and let the rest die.

[mdbeh]

I swear there's an interesting Anthro paper waiting to be written about how forums develop their own cultures. It seems like whatever develops initially is self-reinforcing. When I'm tempted to flame someone here (which is really, really rare), I can usually stop myself because I know that's not the right vibe.

I worry that it's a delicate balance, though. If recpit and RAP are anything to go by, a sustained period of flame threads and political arguments will eventually drop the audio content to a preschool level.

And once that happens... there's no going back. Posts that say, "GO F(*&K YURSELF" are easy enough to throw out. But polite, rambling, hopelessly clueless posts--"I don't know anything about the topic, but I thought I'd drop 30,000 words on it anyway"--are harder to eradicate, and those seem to be a staple of the shark-jumped forums.

Anyway... it's cool here now. We've just got to keep it that way.

[littledog]

i guess i'm as guilty as anyone for bringing up certain issues in the past. i think i've come full circle though, after seeing the results, and am probably now more in the "defend the vibe mode".

one thing no one has mentioned is that the tone and feel of a forum is also strongly influenced by the moderators. everyone has a different style and vibe, but finding moderators that can at least fit into jules' vision would seem to be important.

Has anyone noticed lately that, in one instance at least, a moderator seems to be running amok? i am not advocating censorship, by the way. just wondering how jules sees moderators fitting into his particular vision of setting a tone on this forum.

even with this small complaint, GS is by far the class of all the audio forums. i agree that doing what it takes to keep it that way should be a paramount consideration.

[alphajerk]

hmmm, so you are now questioning jules choices for moderators? and you think "running amok" is someone disagreeing with your view on art? now that is some class... the one who brought all the RO refuse here in the first place?

littledog. i have been here from the beginning. jules has "known" me for quite some time. he knows what makes me tick. he knows what im like. if *I* were jules, i would be quite offended at your pretention by second guessing what he does with his place and who he has invited to moderate. fortunately jules is a genuinely nice guy and it probably doesnt offend him. so it amuses me that you are now "defending the vibe" when i have been a part of the "vibe" from the start [and even been INVITED to guest moderate... although even i thought he was nuts to invite me]

the "vibe" here HAS been very cool. even jon who i have philisophically butted heads with on MANY occassion still love to death, and quite admire what he has put together and his passionate stance. i have butted heads with brianT [not here but elsewhere] and met him a few weeks back and think he is quite the stand up guy.

so what exactly is "running amok"? someone freely expressing their feelings? is that something that no one is supposed to do anymore?

[bigtree]

Originally posted by alphajerk
hmmm, so you are now questioning jules choices for moderators? and you think "running amok" is someone disagreeing with your view on art? now that is some class... the one who brought all the RO refuse here in the first place?

littledog. i have been here from the beginning. jules has "known" me for quite some time. he knows what makes me tick. he knows what im like. if *I* were jules, i would be quite offended at your pretention by second guessing what he does with his place and who he has invited to moderate. fortunately jules is a genuinely nice guy and it probably doesnt offend him. so it amuses me that you are now "defending the vibe" when i have been a part of the "vibe" from the start [and even been INVITED to guest moderate... although even i thought he was nuts to invite me]

the "vibe" here HAS been very cool. even jon who i have philisophically butted heads with on MANY occassion still love to death, and quite admire what he has put together and his passionate stance. i have butted heads with brianT [not here but elsewhere] and met him a few weeks back and think he is quite the stand up guy.

so what exactly is "running amok"? someone freely expressing their feelings? is that something that no one is supposed to do anymore?

Nothing wrong with AJ, his last few weeks here have been impressive. This place is stinking like RO used to be. Maybe ya got a troll problem lol. We bought the spray for that problem and it works once you can spot them. Good luck.

[stealthbalance]

this place as i see it is an absolute gift..and a total blast of fun !!!!!!!
i have only been here for a short time,but in comparison to the other forums i have checked out, this is the classiest bunch of audio enthusiasts i have ever had the priveledge to talk shop with . i am truly grateful to be able to just log on and chat with audios finest - no lie. having said that , when i first came here from attending other recording forums , i must say that i was well a bit untactful and a bit sarcastic , disrespectful, short, self inflating, etc due to the lameness and b.s. and disrespect i was experiencing at other forums. once i came here and truly checked gearslutz out, i have been humbled and in awe of the esteemed posters and moderators here at this forum. the knowledge , experience , and class that this forum continually display is staggering. and i feel that i can for the first time in my carreer talk shop with people i could only dream of chatting with.
although i have noticed a more disrespectful attitude and arogance here more in recent weeks , i am hopeing that it is just a breif learning curve that some of the newbies and less experienced audio people from other forums are going through.
i do feel that moderators really should control and edit what they say and post to if anything keep up the top shelf tone of this forum. opinions that are 180degrees
apart from each other are what keep all of us challenged to learn, think and re-think our current state of affairs - and i love that. however it sure is nice when all that is stated tactfully and respectfully. even though i may want to flame some poster that appears to be a complete ******, i find that restraint is a good thing.
may this forum stay as awesome as it has been. with jules as its cheif - i see it only getting better.
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[Dave Martin]

Originally posted by littledog

Has anyone noticed lately that, in one instance at least, a moderator seems to be running amok? i am not advocating censorship, by the way. just wondering how jules sees moderators fitting into his particular vision of setting a tone on this forum.

I hadn't noticed anyone 'running amok', but maybe my standard for that s higher than yours.

Really, engineers tend to be fairly opinionated - if we weren't we'd have jobs were we didn't have to make up our own minds. We also tend to be fairly enthusiastic so when we have an opinion, we're like to share it with everyone, where they want to hear it or not. The fun of this forum is watching what happens when those with different experiences come together and discuss.

Quite honestly, if I had to make records the way that a few of our regulars make them, I'd want to take my own life by the end of the second week. But the same is most likely true for them - they'd hate working the way that I like to work. But that doesn't mean that either my approach or theirs is the only valid one.

So who's running amok?

[popmusic]

I've spent maybe 5 minutes at RO some time ago, so I don't know from firsthand experience what the vibe is like there or how it compares to here... But it's probably best not to dredge up stuff that really has no business being dredged up at Jules' place. It's like going into someone's house and complaining about the furniture... I wouldn't blame him for locking this thread, as I doubt it'll lead to anywhere that might be productive.

Frankly, there's so little noise here that if you don't like it, it's easy enough to ignore it. Can't say that about some other forums (which will remain unnamed). Just my 0.0000002...

[littledog]

I have apologized to Alphajerk privately for questioning his role here. I apologize to the membership at large for polluting the vibe, which ironically is exactly what I had accused Alphajerk of doing.

[alphajerk]

littledog, clear out your PM box. its full and wont send.

[Jules]

I think the poll results speak for themselves!

[Harvey Gerst]

Well, I'll be posting here more. The situation at RO has just gotten too out of hand for me, and it's a no-win deal for me there, and at homerec, as well. I admire a lot of the people at both organizations, but it's just become too contentious for me at both places.

Guess I'll just hang out here for a while and contribute what I can.



(I think I'm getting way too old for this shit.)

[littledog]

Originally posted by Harvey Gerst
Well, I'll be posting here more.

(sound of mass applause)

(actually, I get into trouble when I presume i speak for anyone else, so I might have to rephrase that as "sound of one hand clapping!")

[Dave Martin]

Originally posted by littledog

(actually, I get into trouble when I presume i speak for anyone else, so I might have to rephrase that as "sound of one hand clapping!")

Littledog, quit making the sound of one hand clapping and let someone else into the bathroom for a change!

[littledog]

[Jax]

Originally posted by Jules
I think the poll results speak for themselves!

I'm still trying to decide if it was Jules or aj that added the "you must be fart king joking" to my poll. Probably Jules as he's the one with the most "at stake." And how do poll results come out to 4000+ people voting a certain way when only 316 have read the thread? fuuck

I wasn't joking.

IMNSHFO the stench, though still mild, is real.

Here's to hoping we have the last laugh *clink*.

[jazzius]

This is the only forum i look at every day.............the other 2 i check out occasionally are Brad's forum and the mastering webboard (purely for professional purposes - i don't actually want to hang out with a bunch of ME's, do i?!)........

.........It's the only forum where i think i'm more likely to learn something then have to explain something.......It's also the only forum where i think there's more pro's then amateurs........and the amateurs that are here seem to know more then most pro's!.....

it's also remarkably free of anger and abuse (ok, so we all vent some spleen on a bad day.. dfegad ...)

...big up GS.....

[e-cue]

As long as I don't see a bunch of "Best Guitar Pick Under $1,000" threads, I'm cool here. If someone here pisses me off, I can always use the ignore function, but I haven't had to go that route yet.

[Jules]

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[Kurt Foster]

tutt It never ceases to amaze me at how much interest in Recording.Org is generated here at Gearslutz.. Personally, I don't get it.. If people hate RO so much, why don't they just not go there instead of pissing and moaning about it here? You don't see anyone complaining about any other BB at RO and I am sure that RO is not the only BB that people have gripes about...

People who want to complain and tell other people how to run their BBs should do as Jules did. Go start their own forum, instead of crying about it and telling the BB owners and mods how to run their place. If you wanna drive, get yer own car.. Kurt Foster

[Lee Tyler]

Double dip. Sowwy. dfegad

[Lee Tyler]

It never ceases to amaze me at how much interest in Recording.Org is generated here at Gearslutz.. Personally, I don't get it.. If people hate RO so much, why don't they just not go there instead of pissing and moaning about it here? You don't see anyone complaining about any other BB at RO and I am sure that RO is not the only BB that people have gripes about...

Kurt, I will first state that R.O. has been generally one of the finest audio forums on this planet....at the time of the writing I should say. However....in my estimation, R.O. has certain "attributes" which this observer has noted distinct, discreet watermarks that have become unique to the R.O. experience. I have seen lots of comments in the past in many different audio forums about "this forum" and "that forum", but not to the extent of the "R.O. experience" has generated. All the audio websites I have frequented in the past 5 years have their own respective color, vibe and level of mostly courteous discourse which is very cool, and R.O. was no exception in the past. But what I have noted in R.O.'s case in the past few months is an occasional extreme intolerance by moderators/owners to some particular member's opinions and posts. Personal vendettas as well. Big time! Additionally, owner/moderator interference/slander with members post's and member's quotes, in which the text of the quote is actually ALTERED to help curry favor with other agreeing members, (a real netiquette no-no tutt) into something completely unintentional by the quoted member. I have never...EVER seen this kind of shit go on on ANY similar site. Any. In closing Kurt, this may explain the animosity that is surfacing, and much is "iceberged" and just as well should remain submerged at this point. This is how I see it. I may be completely wrong, and I am certainly not privy to much of what is going on... or what HAS gone on, but I can say that I am not totally out of the "loop" on this. I hope some cooler heads will prevail, and a bolus injection of maturity will take a leading role on this silly shit sometime soon.
All The Best, ----Lee

[Kurt Foster]

Lee,
I have never seen a post altered at RO ... ever. This is an idea that was introduced by someone who worked for a company that got upset at something he posted on the board. When they came down on him for it, he blamed it on a moderator, saying the moderator altered his post. But there was no footprint. Every time a mod performs an edit on a members post, it leaves a note saying “Post edited by blah blah at such and such a time”.

Sometimes a deletion may be made to remove a flame, but we have always been reticent to delete posts or threads until this past week. I will not say deletions have not been made to posts and threads … but actually, it has been a rare occasion. That is the reason for so much conflict on the board.

There have been people coming over to RO, to actually create this conflict. A lot of this started when I began to do reviews. Several people from other boards were bothered by the fact that for some reason RO was able to get review pieces that they couldn’t. So some took it upon themselves to attack RO and the reviewer (me) in an attempt to discredit me and force the MFRs to send pieces their way. This attempt has failed and RO and its review process remains strong. Actually the attacks have made RO stronger as it has brought us to a new policy on deletions. We won’t tolerate any flames any longer.. Anyway send me an email or PM at my place.. I will be glad to discuss this with anyone there. I don’t think it’s fair to burn up GS’s bandwidth talking about RO here …. Kurt

[Lee Tyler]

Originally posted by Kurt Foster
Lee,
I have never seen a post altered at RO ... ever. This is an idea that was introduced by someone who worked for a company that got upset at something he posted on the board. When they came down on him for it, he blamed it on a moderator, saying the moderator altered his post. But there was no footprint. Every time a mod performs an edit on a members post, it leaves a note saying “Post edited by blah blah at such and such a time”.

Sometimes a deletion may be made to remove a flame, but we have always been reticent to delete posts or threads until this past week. I will not say deletions have not been made to posts and threads … but actually, it has been a rare occasion. That is the reason for so much conflict on the board.

There have been people coming over to RO, to actually create this conflict. A lot of this started when I began to do reviews. Several people from other boards were bothered by the fact that for some reason RO was able to get review pieces that they couldn’t. So some took it upon themselves to attack RO and the reviewer (me) in an attempt to discredit me and force the MFRs to send pieces their way. This attempt has failed and RO and its review process remains strong. Actually the attacks have made RO stronger as it has brought us to a new policy on deletions. We won’t tolerate any flames any longer.. Anyway send me an email or PM at my place.. I will be glad to discuss this with anyone there. I don’t think it’s fair to burn up GS’s bandwidth talking about RO here …. Kurt

What I was saying wasn't a moderator-specific function Kurt, or an action that would be identifiable by a "message edited" footnote as you have stated. Anyone can use the basic quote function, and then before posting, change or add a word to the quote. I saw it. I was taken aback. I copied it. I have it saved. I will leave it at that. I just thought that was the piss-poorest thing that can be done in this kind of venue, especially on R.O., that's all. I don't forget shite like that. Dirty pool is not a game that I enjoy watching, let alone choose to participate in. To each his own. Peace ---Lee

[Kurt Foster]

Lee,
If you don't mind, I would like to see that. I am glad you saved it... If it's something I can address, I will do something about it.. Please pm it to me at my place... Kurt

[Kurt Foster]

J, aka; Jordan,
I don't see that as me discrediting myself but rather a perfect example of what I was just speaking of.. This is exactly the thread I was thinking of. Thanks for dragging it out for me.. I watched with much amusement for an hour and a half while you hunted for it!
The fact that you choose to post this here in a public forum, instead of addressing it through my PMs at RO, goes to show you are intersted in trying to embaress and discredit me in public. The more you pull this stuff, the more you show your true colors. Just remember what goes around comes around. Your day is coming!


BTW, I have pretty much figured out by matching IP # and the reverse directories that "Ferd Berfel" in that thread was actually Mark McQuilken, the owner of FMR. If it is him, it is curious as to why he wouldn't come on to that thread under his real name, choosing instead to Troll RO under an assumed screen name. I also wonder why Mr. McQuilken refuses to answer all my requests for the loan of a RNP to post audio comparisons so the readers can hear the differences themselves. All reputible audio manufacturers I have contacted have responded positively to me except him. I wonder if he is worried that it won't stand up to Neves, Millennia’s and Sebatrons??

Tell Fletcher I said hi!
Kurt

[jazzius]

guys, get a room.

I've got an idea.......when threads decend into this sort of petty personal backbiting that has no interest or value to those not involved in the spat, the thread should be made "private".....

...people would have 24 hours to suscribe to the thread, after which time the thread becomes invisible to those not suscribed........of course, i don't have to read a certain thread, but these people ruin the atmosphere......i've looked at RO from time to time and i've seen precious little other then bickering and macho babble and not much else.......some firm moderating is the only way to stop it happening here.

cheers

[HiString]

Realistically, this thread would be better off in "The Gear Free Zone" where, if I understand things correctly, almost anything goes...........even down to discussing the pros and cons of other BBS's.

Unfortunately, it has become impossible to discuss any perceived negatives about RO on that BBS, and as a consequence the discussions flow over to sites where there is less paranoia, intolerance and censorship and a greater freedom of speech.

I don't believe for one minute that this is how anyone wants to see things, but it is how they have developed.

God Forbid that we end up in The Cave at HR.com discussing this .

[Kurt Foster]

Jazzius,
Yes I have to agree and if you check the threads at RO and here, you will see that it is J Slator, littledog and all their troll buddies that start it everytime, everywhere they go.. Always off topic and mudslinging. I don't think you can find very many instances of me starting this kind of stuff, anywhere. Sorry for the steamer, like I said before, if anyone has anything to say to me just drop a PM at RO and I will respond. As for RO, in accordance with your observation, we have now started deleting this sh*t and admonishing the posters of it. tutt No more of this free speech crap for us! I have already noticed a clearing of the air. Kurt