21st April 2011
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#61 | | Gear doesn't kill people.
Joined: Apr 2006 Location: NY
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Originally Posted by DONNX  What they wanted isn't what many good musical ears wanted. The song writing sold that song and the guys voice. Nothing more. | KOL have songs? When did this development take place? I must have missed something somewhere!!
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21st April 2011
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#62 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2009 Location: adirondacks
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24th April 2011
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#63 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Piranhadrum | A lot of that was edited and changed, but still pretty funny!
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6th April 2012
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#64 | | Gear interested
Joined: Jun 2011
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Yes that record has more "mud" than most people are used to today, but if you listen to Jaquire Kings discography its very clear that he knows how to deliver great mixes. I think in the case of Use Somebody he would have been aware exactly of what he was doing and deserves the respect that he was brave and did something different to everyone else. I believe theres no drum triggers or double tracked guitars which is so rare.
Im guessing this is where mixers divide.. some see it as a creative musical process that brings out the emotion of a track and the little technical errors become things you love where as others have mixes that are "perfectly equalised" and tidy. neither is wrong but the latter suits kings better. where as the tidy album would suit a band like Nickleback more
its all opinion really and certainly not something people should condemn
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6th April 2012
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#65 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Bradford UK
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Wow. This thread just proves that the last people you should listen to if you want a hit record is recording engineers/ mixers etc who post in gearslutz...... doh!
This record is the most popular song to be played in my rehearsal rooms for the last couple of years.... if "muddy" is a problem, it's one I want.
Personally I can't stand the flipping record but lots and lots of people love it....really love it!
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6th April 2012
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#66 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jul 2010 Location: Lubbock, TX
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Not sure what you guys are hearing that are saying its muddy.......
I hear space and character it's lovely fits the band well and I also like the band alot
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2nd July 2012
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#67 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
Joined: Aug 2010 Location: Mauritius Island
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This track is extremely muddy indeed(except the vocals), It's a bit shocking how mixing engineers deliver awful mixed like this ... although the vibe is good, it's very muddy.
I discovered that it's easier to make things sound nice by covering it all up with reverb etc ... but when you make things clear ... then you really have to make sure that your tones are perfect, cause if something sounds crap ...it will be blatant.
Foster the people -pumped up kicks ... is full of reverb ... yet it's very very vibey, it has got soul and it is not as ugly beginner muddy like "KOL - use somebody".
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2nd July 2012
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#68 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2011 Location: Hertfordshire, UK
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I think Because Of The Times is by far KOL's best album, good production, songwriting and it rocks (by their standards). I can see why the two most recent albums could be interpreted as being muddy, but to me it's just an unchallenging commercial sound, meant to appeal.
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4th July 2012
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#69 | | Gear interested
Joined: Apr 2010 Location: Nashville
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Just read this thread and thought I should chime in.
Do check the s.o.s. interview, good stuff.
I believe Mr. King (as producer & engineer) chose a creative direction that 1. Set this record apart from the bands previous ones. 2. Set it apart from every other rock/pop record at the time. And 3. Sounded good to him and the client.
I hear depth, warmth, and sonic balance.
i.m.o.
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4th July 2012
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#70 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario Canada
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I love this record. It is one of a handful I've bought in the last 5 years. From start to finish I am impressed, especially the songs...... and the production serves the songs IMO.
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4th July 2012
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#71 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2010
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yes, the vocals are distorted, yes, there is limited high end, yes, everything is awash in effects and heavily compressed.
There used to be a vibe with older records where it wasn't separation and clarity that made them appealing, it was the way everything blended together to get a sound.
I'm sure that's what they were going for. Not my cup of tea, but respect!
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4th July 2012
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#72 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2011 Location: Hertfordshire, UK
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Originally Posted by Ward Pike There used to be a vibe with older records where it wasn't separation and clarity that made them appealing, it was the way everything blended together to get a sound. | I've always been impressed by Aha Shake Heartbreak for the fact that if you listen to a song from it and then listen to the same song done on a radio session, the recordings sound pretty damn close, that's how raw the album is - but the melodies still come across.
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9th July 2012
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#73 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2011 Location: Sydney
Posts: 1,546
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Originally Posted by QuadWing You make quite the valid point! I understand what you're trying to get out there, but at the same time, I somewhat disagree. To me, it sounds like I'm getting over a cold, and my ears are muffled up from when I listen to KOL. In iTunes, I have each song EQ'd respectively for my personal listening preference to make it seem a little "cleaner" to me, and it makes it a bit more enjoyable. It just sounds strange to my ear, that's all. Once more, I love KOL, Coldplay, Tokyo Police Club, etc., but I guess you can't please everyone, right? | Maybe you are developing a hearing problem...?
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