Why No Gearslutz women?

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by Avast!

Don't be rude, Lago.


(I googled, and your comment can only be taken as a rude insult).

Not sure how.

[Murray]

I suppose it's a legit question since aTelecine is the name of Sasha Grey's band. And it's a weird and distinct name.

Unfortunately, especially considering the topic of the thread, seems rude to bring up a pornstar. Not that there's anything wrong with being a pornstar.

I suppose a better question might be "aTelecine is an interesting name, what does that mean?"

[Avast!]

Ok, if that is in fact her band's name, then there are two ways to take it!

I instantly came up with the rude interpretation. Which, if it were intended that way, would answer the OP.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by Avast!

Ok, if that is in fact her band's name, then there are two ways to take it!

I instantly came up with the rude interpretation. Which, if it were intended that way, would answer the OP.

I wanna know if she's related to it in any way.

[jrshaul]

Originally Posted by targa2

Name 5 things that a woman has conceived, designed , created , brought to the market place and kept in the market place for any length of time. I'll see you in 100 years. Maybe it will happen by then but I doubt it. Women don't create much.

O Rly?

-Radioactivity
-COBOL (or at least its' direct predecessor.)
-The portable X-ray van
-Digital spread spectrum communication
-That goofy carburettor modification that kept our fighters from being eaten alive by fuel-injected ****s in WWII. (I can't remember the name).

[joeq]

I teach audio production courses in a Communications/Media Arts program at a college near me.

One of my classes is a requirement for the degree, so I see all the incoming freshmen. Males outnumber females 3 or 4 to 1 in the department as a whole. Women who go on to the advanced audio classes are rarer still.

HOWEVER, I would say in the last five years or so, I have seen a slight but definite increase in women who are interested specifically in Audio as a field. They have been among my best students. Some have gone on to advanced degree programs and some pretty nifty internships and jobs.

I would go as far as to say in the last five years, my top students have broken down close to 50-50.

[Brock Mixwell]

Lol

Talk about a rhetorical thread!

This thead answers itself in so many different ways it's not even funny!

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by Brock Mixwell

Lol

Talk about a rhetorical thread!

This thead answers itself in so many different ways it's not even funny!

Yes- could not agree more- really rather sad how some make assumptions about other members inconsistent with the members board info- when it is linked to an underbelly vibe.

Thank goodness I live in Australia-where the Prime Minister and Governor General are females, and a lot of very intelligent (and very attractive to boot there I dobbed myself in as sexist- but I am a hetrosexual male after all) ladies give me very well paid work.

Merkel seems to be doing a fine job bringing that european boys club into line- saw her patting the male drones on the shoulders in a matriach fashion.

You guys who are demeaning of female intellect make me happy, be it in music or the law, means I get to enjoy lovely ladies intellectual company and make lots of money from our joint endeavours, and those old fossil muppets who are demeaning intellectual sexists just miss out...how intellectually stunted if you are in a commercial enterprise to erode a significant market.


GJ
Newcastle/OZ

[jdsowa]

Originally Posted by asagaai

Yes- could not agree more- really rather sad how some make assumptions about other members inconsistent with the members board info- when it is linked to an underbelly vibe.

Thank goodness I live in Australia-where the Prime Minister and Governor General are females, and a lot of very intelligent (and very attractive to boot there I dobbed myself in as sexist- but I am a hetrosexual male after all) ladies give me very well paid work.

Merkel seems to be doing a fine job bringing that european boys club into line- saw her patting the male drones on the shoulders in a matriach fashion.

You guys who are demeaning of female intellect make me happy, be it in music or the law, means I get to enjoy lovely ladies intellectual company and make lots of money from our joint endeavours, and those old fossil muppets who are demeaning intellectual sexists just miss out...how intellectually stunted if you are in a commercial enterprise to erode a significant market.


GJ
Newcastle/OZ

Whether women are what they are due to biological factors or social conditioning, nevertheless, there are clear distinctions to be made between the tendencies of the sexes. To say that women are "equal" with men only when they get out there and do men's jobs is really the demeaning attitude, IMO, because you are implying that the roles played and the tendencies exhibited by women are intrinsically of lesser value than male roles and tendencies. This is the irony of feminism.

There is no insult implicit in the statement that women are, on average, less attracted to the engineering profession. To say that someone is not interested in something is not to say that they are incapable of performing it.

[jeremy.c.]

It's not ironic, you just don't understand what feminism is saying or seeking. It isn't based on the idea that gender roles or activities enculturated are inferior, it's the idea that forcing those roles on men and women is wrong. Women should be able to choose to be a stay at home mom, they should also have every opportunity to be a professional audio engineer if they're interested and skilled.

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by jdsowa

Whether women are what they are due to biological factors or social conditioning, nevertheless, there are clear distinctions to be made between the tendencies of the sexes. To say that women are "equal" with men only when they get out there and do men's jobs is really the demeaning attitude, IMO, because you are implying that the roles played and the tendencies exhibited by women are intrinsically of lesser value than male roles and tendencies. This is the irony of feminism.

Obviously there are clear distinctions, the most obvious being the division of functions and biology to enable procreation through sharing of genetic material to enable mutations of genes and adaptability in the human species. Bluntly put -men have penis's, women have vagina and breasts. Hetrosexual men/women are ultimately attracted/repulsed from one another directly and indirectly as a function of this goal- and in that sense both heterosexual males and females are sexist in respect of one another.

But that is different from one sex assuming that another sex is inferior in intellectual functioning as a base line assertion.

I did not say that women are equal only when they get out and do mens jobs-what I was responding to in this thread were expressions that women were not of mens equal intellect - as a general proposition.

My other line in law is not a mans job- it is a job which both men and women do, and when I judged uni law students in a moot trial there was some 65% women, and 35% men. There are now more ladies in law as solicitors than men in the major cities in Australia. Hardly a man's job...well perhaps in less enlightened societies.

What I am saying is that if you demean woman's intellect and arrogantly assume you are superior because of your sex, in a professional and commerical sense you loose....lots, on so many levels.

And it cuts both ways- if I sense that a women is demeaning of men (intellectually or has inane insulting perceptions) and dislikes men generally- guess what- I do not work for them and avoid them like the plague. And I intensly dislike female judges who are sexist and biased against men, just as I intensly dislike male judges who are patronisingly sexist to females.

So I really think you misunderstood what I was saying.

GJ
Newcastle/OZ

[ShadowAMD]

Originally Posted by jdsowa

Whether women are what they are due to biological factors or social conditioning, nevertheless, there are clear distinctions to be made between the tendencies of the sexes. To say that women are "equal" with men only when they get out there and do men's jobs is really the demeaning attitude, IMO, because you are implying that the roles played and the tendencies exhibited by women are intrinsically of lesser value than male roles and tendencies. This is the irony of feminism.

There is no insult implicit in the statement that women are, on average, less attracted to the engineering profession. To say that someone is not interested in something is not to say that they are incapable of performing it.

It's not exactly hidden that women don't like a specific industry due to male dominance. My wife is a Network Engineer, so I hear about the daily grind mentioning the slew of uninformed idiot's commentary. Whether a gender ever plays roll in ability is ridiculous, but as my wife says it can be off-putting.

On the other hand, she does still prefer a male dominated industry.. Bar the odd idiotic remark in which she can hold her own. She did say it is a less catty environment. I believe it's always good to have a balance anywhere, I personally find my industry too male dominating with alpha male prowess. Which I would enjoy more female companionship as I find it less work.

[aTelecine-Lex]

[jrhager84]

The whole 'Men have penises, and women have vaginas' comment had me rolling!

I had no idea!

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[Murray]

That is an interesting bit of information, but not even that is always true.

Chaz Bono, for example.

[Kierkes]

SUBSCRIBED!

[ShadowAMD]

If we were all hermaphrodites, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

P.S the knuckle dragging moron''s as expressed by Jules had me laughing so hard, I think I need a hospital!..

End of day, were all people.. We all work, we all SHOULD BE happy for each other.. Keep it up!..

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by jrhager84

The whole 'Men have penises, and women have vaginas' comment had me rolling!

I had no idea!

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Pleased to enligten you. Took me far to long to discover that truth myself and I often bemoan those lost wasted years

GJ
Newcastle/OZ

[choond]

Originally Posted by targa2

It may be politically incorrect to say but who cares. Historically women have never been much interested in anything technical. They don't create much of anything either. You doubt this ....really.

Name 5 things that a woman has conceived, designed , created , brought to the market place and kept in the market place for any length of time. I'll see you in 100 years. Maybe it will happen by then but I doubt it. Women don't create much.

Lets keep male centred things male centred. If women want to be part of it fine.

And yes. I am married and my wife agrees with me 100%

This is so true. I was so impressed and amazed to see it paraphrased so succinctly. You and your wife are such rebels to do away with those old fashion politically correct ideals.

What I myself would like to see is a South African style apartheid system separating the genders implemented here in the West. Why throw away a perfectly good system that works, just because black slavery is abolished in one corner of the world?

I would like to see Women restricted to the following activities:

- low paying jobs, or jobs which normally would be high paying if a guy was doing it. Capitalism cannot thrive where is not cheap labor. The trick is to get women to accept lesser pay than a man for doing the same job. And preferably, you want her to do twice as much work as the equivalent male would do. Make her feel that she should be a technician supermodel, that will do the trick and ruin her self esteem every time.

- Cooking (but not chefing) Chefing is a guy thing because there's some status & the allusion towards `pay' involved there . Women are not chefs, who get paid. They are cooks, who do it for free.

- Reproduction and nappy changing. No guy worth his salt wants to be messing around with baby poo.

- Sex. Preferably you want this for free, so you want to also encourage alcoholism and drug use in women.

- Shopping. This is a tightrope. You don't want too much feminine empowerment here. This is why banks invented credit `debit' cards where the credit is heavily restricted to money you actually have. Real credit cards are for men only.

- Secretarial roles. I think its permissible for a female to be involved in audio production and/or other technical roles so long as any contribution she makes is either secretarial in nature, or construed and heavily distorted to be seen as secretarial in nature. For example, she might produce a whole album on her own , but we are comforted that her role is really secretarial because one guy interjected in a conversation during the production process. Or he farted or something. We really don't want women taking credit for their own work.

I could go on and on.

[matyas]

Wow, folks, I can't believe this conversation is still going! What is this, the Mad Men era or something?
Yes, it's true that historically women were discouraged from going into technical fields. To a large degree, that bias still exists. What of it? That doesn't mean that, in the modern era, women can't or shouldn't be welcomed into historically male professions.
And, from the looks of some of the stuff I'm reading here, GS seems to be a far from welcoming place. Yes, audio engineering is nerdy and techy, but less so than, say, physics, genetics, computer science, or electrical engineering, and I know women in all of those fields who seem to have faced less overt misogyny than what I'm reading on display here.

Some personal anecdotes: I'm a hetero, happily married male. When I was a kid, my best friend was a girl. We were into computers (a very nerdy, male-dominated field in the 1980s), chemistry, and music. She played trumpet and percussion - considered "boys' instruments." We lost touch a long time ago, but I think she became a chemistry professor.
A female cousin of mine studied at and now works at MIT. (Maybe Alexa knows her, but then again, I think MIT is a pretty big place.) She holds a PhD in genetics - a much more abstruse and quantitatively challenging discipline than audio engineering, that's for sure!
A musician I work with on a regular basis had a roommate (also female) who is currently a post-doctoral student in high-energy physics.
Surely, if there is room for women to excel in the natural sciences, there is room for them here on Gearslutz!

Addendum to those who complain about "political correctness": I'm a big fan of free speech as well, but the corollary to free speech is that people have a right to be offended as well. You have a right to say whatever you want, but you have to accept that some people may be offended by what you have to say. You also have to realize that most people do not like to have themselves described in ways that do not align with how they view themselves. If you say something like "women aren't interested in technical fields, they only care about clothes and makeup", and a woman who is in a technical profession (and who may or may not care about clothes and makeup) shows up, she has a right to take issue with that assertion, because that's obviously not how she thinks of herself and your assertion does not measure up to her experience. There's a big difference between political correctness and common decency!

[ShadowAMD]

In short were all human beings, do what you love and don't look back..

Doesn't matter about someone else's opinion when your ten foot under!..

[nick-the-sax]

just two small points from me...

First off from aTelecine-Lex: "However what may be a better focus of our curioisty and intellect would be to ponder why such a differnce [of gender] matters." ... Couldn't agree more. why so much consciousness of the difference in the first place..?

and @targa2 men can also get breast cancer.

[Labs]

Originally Posted by Robbie777

What do women realy want?

Let us know if you find out.

Gustav
_______
Just the PCB

[djshire]

[Joke response]
Because you can't make music from the kitchen?
[/Joke response]

[chevybusa]

Originally Posted by Robbie777

What do women realy want? Why dont the ladies want to record and use gear as us men here do...

It's funny, I've never actually thought about it, but you're right, every single female muso I've ever met or worked with didn't care about gear AT ALL...I don't know what it is, maybe the just don't care as long as it works, or they count on other people to tell them what they need? I don't know, just a guess, but yeah it defiitely is true....there must be SOME female gear heads out there though, the law of averages demands it LOL

[choond]

Originally Posted by chevybusa

It's funny, I've never actually thought about it, but you're right, every single female muso I've ever met or worked with didn't care about gear AT ALL...I don't know what it is, maybe the just don't care as long as it works, or they count on other people to tell them what they need? I don't know, just a guess, but yeah it defiitely is true....there must be SOME female gear heads out there though, the law of averages demands it LOL

I'm pretty sure you're right, females just aren't into gear. Women are really only good as singers and violin players anyway.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by choond

Women are really only good as singers and violin players anyway.

I hope you're being sarcastic here....

[choond]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

I hope you're being sarcastic here....

Yep Its Aussie humour.

I've met a handful of great women locally who love audio gear, and I've worked with loads of talented female techs in IT and other technical roles at the film school where I last worked. When I was at high school, pretty much the top 10 students in the sciences & maths intelligence wise were always women.

So any talk of women being less intelligent or technical bears ridicule in my own mind. Its possibly one of the stupidest things I've heard, up there along with fairies and unicorns with magical little hats and flying spagetti.

[Murray]

Originally Posted by chevybusa

It's funny, I've never actually thought about it, but you're right, every single female muso I've ever met or worked with didn't care about gear AT ALL...I don't know what it is, maybe the just don't care as long as it works, or they count on other people to tell them what they need?

Lennon and McCartney were like that (with that long hair I suppose a lot of people thought they were girls).

Was Mozart all into technical crap?

What's funny to me is the notion that music or audio gear is some sort of macho endeavor in the first place. Seems pretty fruity to me.

I don't really think it's a good thing that so many musicians are caught in the trap of gear and technicalities.

[ShadowAMD]

Originally Posted by Murray

Lennon and McCartney were like that (with that long hair I suppose a lot of people thought they were girls).

Was Mozart all into technical crap?

What's funny to me is the notion that music or audio gear is some sort of macho endeavor in the first place. Seems pretty fruity to me.

I don't really think it's a good thing that so many musicians are caught in the trap of gear and technicalities.

Let's face it, audio isn't quite as macho as fighting a bear with your bare hands is it now? I bet there are some guys on here who recon they are "Bootylicious".

Music for me is just a passion I decided to try and make a career out of, whatever or whoever is involved in the industry is just part of the business.

The emphasis on anything bar doing a Job right shouldn't even be in the equation.