Getting Jumped Outside The Studio! Yay!

[Storyville]

So, I had a late night at the studio. Closed up around 1:15am. Decided I'd walk home. I'm out on the main drag and some car pulls up to me, slows down a little, rolls the windows down half way. My antenna goes up. They drive ahead of me and I think to myself "If they make a left into the parking lot up ahead, it means they're coming back around to jump me." Sure enough, they make a left into the parking lot. So I cross the street - it's a two lane with a median. Half way to the other side, they start yelling all sorts of threatening stuff, and start to make a right out of the lot to come back for me. So I book it onto a side street, dip into someone's backyard, hop a fence and lay low. They drive by on the side street, and after they're out of ear shot I move myself around through some back yards until I can see the main road from some bushes. And then call the cops. These guys drive up and down the street for a good little. Eventually the cops show up. I'm informed that down the road, the car matching the description is pulled over. The passenger I saw matches my description, but I'm informed that words such as "We're going to get you" and chasing someone in a car are not considered "threats," and there was therefore nothing more to do about it.

And once again, the police system merrily lets me down....

[lordward]

Gee, police that are not willing to help? Hmmm, that's something new!
What's next, Catholic priests molesting little boys? Naahhh, never gunna happen. And if it does I'm sure the juristic system will take care of it.

[MikeyMike]

Originally Posted by lordward

Gee, police that are not willing to help? Hmmm, that's something new!
What's next, Catholic priests molesting little boys? Naahhh, never gunna happen. And if it does I'm sure the juristic system will take care of it.

Tell me about it. I had a total of about 15 guns pulled on me in my lifetime for no reason. 14 by cops on two occasions. One they were hunting for a murder. Second, my car was supposedly stolen. Third time, my father pulled out a gun on me

[GearBit]

Originally Posted by Storyville

So, I had a late night at the studio. Closed up around 1:15am. Decided I'd walk home. I'm out on the main drag and some car pulls up to me, slows down a little, rolls the windows down half way. My antenna goes up. They drive ahead of me and I think to myself "If they make a left into the parking lot up ahead, it means they're coming back around to jump me." Sure enough, they make a left into the parking lot. So I cross the street - it's a two lane with a median. Half way to the other side, they start yelling all sorts of threatening stuff, and start to make a right out of the lot to come back for me. So I book it onto a side street, dip into someone's backyard, hop a fence and lay low. They drive by on the side street, and after they're out of ear shot I move myself around through some back yards until I can see the main road from some bushes. And then call the cops. These guys drive up and down the street for a good little. Eventually the cops show up. I'm informed that down the road, the car matching the description is pulled over. The passenger I saw matches my description, but I'm informed that words such as "We're going to get you" and chasing someone in a car are not considered "threats," and there was therefore nothing more to do about it.

And once again, the police system merrily lets me down....

How is "we're going to get you" NOT a threat?
IME police want to do as little work as possible. Unfortunately it's not about justice, it's about "the squeaky wheel gets the grease".

[WVUtubadude]

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.


Do yourself a favor and get a concealed carry license and a gun.

[Resonant Serpent]

You have to remember that there is a big push from the federal, city and state governments to cut down on crime statistically. I have yet to find one person who actually thinks crime has dropped in this country, but the statistics say that it has fallen dramatically. By not reporting your incident, the statistics fall and the feds shower the state and city governments with money for the dropped statistics. Yes, it's bullshit. Dallas and several other cities have already been busted cooking the books, and absolutely nothing has happened to the people who did it. It's the law now in Austin that the cops won't even write a report if you've been robbed. It's up to you to go down to the municipal court and do it yourself. Does an investigation take place after you file the paperwork? Of course, not.

Luckily, we have the castle law here in Texas. If someone threatens you, you can take them down. You still get arrested, but you're usually let go in less than 24 hrs. with no charges filed. I don't know how it is where you are.

[creegstor]

Was this Philly or NY?

Is there any reason why someone might want to "get you"?!

[Chris Lago]

Was it in NY? If so, where? I needed some friends around me at all times when I went there, Queens specifically. I'm Canadian, and where I live there aren't that many crimes, or people carrying guns to commit crimes (hint hint), and when I go to LA I know where to stay away from. Do you know anyone who would be out there to hurt you? Or do they just jump helpless people randomly? They must be cowards for doing this to helpless people, but hey, it was late so.

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by creegstor

Was this Philly or NY?

Is there any reason why someone might want to "get you"?!

In the Philadelphia suburbs. I've actually never had a problem in either Philly proper or the NY. It's always in the little fallout suburbs where people have problems.

Yeah I don't know how chasing someone and yelling we're going to get you isn't a threat. Call it a hunch but if I hadn't dipped out I would have been one of those news stories where they just wanted to beat me up a little but one got carried a way.

The session drummer at the studio works at a gun shop. If I really wanted one I could get one - but to be honest I don't want one.


And no, I no one has a reason to get me. At least not that I can think of.

[ryst]

Originally Posted by GearBit

How is "we're going to get you" NOT a threat?
IME police want to do as little work as possible. Unfortunately it's not about justice, it's about "the squeaky wheel gets the grease".

Yep. And police usually arrive after the fact. They are useless in preventing most crimes. That's why I'm a HUGE gun advocate. I'm not putting my trust in anyone else to defend me but ME.

Storyville, go take some classes, go to the range, and get yourself real familiar and comfortable with firearms. With the economy the way it is, things are only gonna get worse. You gotta defend yourself. You might not want one, but what do you NOT want more? Getting your life threatened? Or having a gun?

[creegstor]

Originally Posted by Storyville

In the Philadelphia suburbs. I've actually never had a problem in either Philly proper or the NY. It's always in the little fallout suburbs where people have problems.

Yeah I don't know how chasing someone and yelling we're going to get you isn't a threat. Call it a hunch but if I hadn't dipped out I would have been one of those news stories where they just wanted to beat me up a little but one got carried a way.

The session drummer at the studio works at a gun shop. If I really wanted one I could get one - but to be honest I don't want one.


And no, I no one has a reason to get me. At least not that I can think of.

I figured it was prolly Philly (no offence to any denizens of that area) but even outlying areas of NY tend to be pretty safe.

Are sure you didn't mishear them? Maybe they liked the cut of your jib and wanted to get with you lol!

But seriously you should keep your wits about you for the next few weeks just in case it is a directed effort by some irate lunatic hip-hopper ex customer!!

[wreckingstuff]

Originally Posted by Storyville

And no, I no one has a reason to get me. At least not that I can think of.

It was probably just the H.L.A. looking for Bobby Eli.

I like the dipping into a yard tactic much better than the pulling a gun on people in the street tactic.

Take care man.

[d1rtynyc]

So many scumbags out there just looking for someone to mess with. Hopefully they will mess with the wrong guy one day and get what they deserve, two lead pills in the skull.

I have heard that Philly can be a pretty rough place. From a friend of mine who moved there for a few years who had lived in NYC for 10+ years and grew up in a rough part of Dublin. He said that on the streets of Philly everybody seemed to have a chip on their shoulder.

I cannot say that I had felt that the short periods of times I have been there, but then I see some Eagles fans and I get an idea what he means.

Sorry to hear about your night & glad you came out in one piece.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by ryst

Storyville, go take some classes, go to the range, and get yourself real familiar and comfortable with firearms. With the economy the way it is, things are only gonna get worse. You gotta defend yourself. You might not want one, but what do you NOT want more? Getting your life threatened? Or having a gun?

The only problem I have with this is... What happens if someone gets threated by a gang, they pull out their gun and kill someone with one? Wouldn't they go to jail for that? Worse, wouldn't someone in the gang have a gun and kill you after? I know it's really big in the US to have a gun as protection, but where does this lead? Fight fire with more fire? Here in Canada, gun deaths are so low, because we can't just carry guns around. I'm still on the fence with this. Having a gun on me would really scare me .

[Chris Lago]

With that being said, how do people go to clubs in Philly? Is it sketchy to even go?!? Because most clubs will close early in the morning, then what?

[ryst]

Originally Posted by Chris Lago

The only problem I have with this is... What happens if someone gets threated by a gang, they pull out their gun and kill someone with one? Wouldn't they go to jail for that? Worse, wouldn't someone in the gang have a gun and kill you after?

Well, you never want to use one until absolutely necessary. Storyville did the right thing. He fled and tried to hide. What I'm talking about is when your back is against the wall and you have no other choice. And no, you wouldn't automatically go to jail if you're defending yourself. The Justice system is ****ed up but I go by the old saying "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six".

I know it's really big in the US to have a gun as protection, but where does this lead? Fight fire with more fire? Here in Canada, gun deaths are so low, because we can't just carry guns around. I'm still on the fence with this.

Well, if you can't protect yourself then you will get ****ed up. If your looking for trouble, it's not hard to find. However, avoiding trouble as much as possible and using a firearm as a last possible solution is what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about buying a gun and just carrying it around because you have one. That's stupid. You must get properly trained so you know how to use it especially under stressful situations. The police aren't gonna protect or defend you. So who is?

Having a gun on me would really scare me .

It would scare me too if you didn't know how to handle it. That's the problem. People buy guns but don't know how to use them. That's why accidents happen. Training should be a requirement, not an option (if you're gonna buy a gun).

You know, if I was single I probably wouldn't care as much. But my wife/best friend is the most important thing to me on this earth and their is no way I'll let anything happen to her if I can help it. I'll use anything and everything I can to defend her at all costs.

[Storyville]

Depends on the club you're leaving in Philly, and where you are going after you leave. Walking around alone in some sections of Philly is bad news, and in others it's usually pretty safe.

You know, I wish I didn't feel compelled to do late studio work - but I get it in when the studio is available. I'm fortunate enough to have a lot of work these days.

As for the gun thing, you know, I'm not anti-gun. And had I had one, I would have done the exact same thing I did. But carrying a gun is a huge responsibility and a risk - not just a form of protection. I have to weigh out the pros and cons before making that kind of a commitment.

PS - I have learned that I can easily bound a six foot fence when given the appropriate incentive.

[kafka]

Originally Posted by GearBit

How is "we're going to get you" NOT a threat?
IME police want to do as little work as possible. Unfortunately it's not about justice, it's about "the squeaky wheel gets the grease".

You see, that's why you'll never make it as a cop. You're just not using your imagination here. The guy who said "we're going to get you" could have meant "... a cup of coffee." Maybe they were driving up and down the street because they really, really wanted to buy him some coffee. Maybe they had an extra Starbucks, and they didn't want it to go to waste because they were fervent Buddhists. You never know these things.

[sevendaysoff]

wow. Philly is no joke. my old band was on tour w/ AFI in 2002 and we played in philly, met some chicks who took us to their parents house in some upscale-ish type neighborhood. Stay the night at the house and lunch time the next day the girls took us to the mall by their house to get some food from the food court. our drummer made a comment to some preppy asshole in the music store who said something about the color of his hair, no big deal. Leave the mall and head back to the chicks house to get the van and head out.. Out pops a car full of preppy ass mother ****ers with chains and bats and other random objects, they followed us from the mall I guess...

it wouldnt even have been close. 3 of us and 2 chicks vs. 1/2 of the varsity offense, w/ weapons. We went inside and chilled out until they finally left.


sorry to derail, but your post and the fact it happened in about philly made me think about this!

glad to here you're alright man!

[Purple]

To the gun advocates, whilst I can understand your mentality and your reasoning, I would recommend spending some time in almost any developed country that isn't the USA, and you will (hopefully) get a new perspective the pro's and con's of everyone being armed.

Storyville, glad you outsmarted them! Total scumbags.

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by kafka

You see, that's why you'll never make it as a cop. You're just not using your imagination here. The guy who said "we're going to get you" could have meant "... a cup of coffee." Maybe they were driving up and down the street because they really, really wanted to buy him some coffee. Maybe they had an extra Starbucks, and they didn't want it to go to waste because they were fervent Buddhists. You never know these things.

That's true. It never even occurred to me. I guess I just always see the worst in people - in a way I guess they're the victims here.

[Jax]

"Getting jumped" means to me that you get beat up, not just chased. I've seen more inner city violence than I would've liked. Chases are scary, but not the same at all.

[kafka]

Originally Posted by Storyville

That's true. It never even occurred to me. I guess I just always see the worst in people - in a way I guess they're the victims here.

Now there you go. That's what you have to do. You were the guy in the wrong for jumping to conclusions. You were supposed to let them mug you before you called the cops. It's kind of like a dog. They get one bite for free. The guys in the car were probably saying "we're going to get you" ... "safely to your destination", because they knew the neighborhood was populated by violent preppies with a hatred for musicians.

[deuc647]

No joke storyville, i say arm yourself. I got a CHL and dont go anywhere without it. Like the saying goes, rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[libertine]

Glad you're alright.

Originally Posted by bighp

To the gun advocates, whilst I can understand your mentality and your reasoning, I would recommend spending some time in almost any developed country that isn't the USA, and you will (hopefully) get a new perspective the pro's and con's of everyone being armed.

The same recommendation to you, my friend

Not that I disagree with your allusion to the USA's culture being one rooted in gun tradition, and that tradition probably having some part contributing to the level of violence experienced here versus other developed countries. However, this IS part of the culture of my country. There ARE and HAVE BEEN millions of weapons in circulation here since its founding. Legally or Illegally, it's easy to get a gun here. It's not changing, whether I like that or not.

SO, with that understood, the movement towards legitimate, legal, enabling of private LAW ABIDING citizens (even in particularly gun friendly states like mine, you still have to go through a pretty thorough background check by the state investigator to acquire a permit to carry), Has consistently, statistically, and quite significantly reduced violent crimes here.

Personally, I'd love to live somewhere that I wouldn't have to presume any threat presented COULD have a gun/knife/club. But I do. So I carry a 9MM, with 19 rounds and one in the chamber. An extra magazine also loaded with 19 rounds. I practice OFTEN and treat my pistols as another tool I use to make sure no matter what challenge I come up against, I have a measured response for it.

We're not all just a bunch of hicks running around treating our guns like a second dick. Some of us just prefer to be proactive.

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by Jax

"Getting jumped" means to me that you get beat up, not just chased. I've seen more inner city violence than I would've liked. Chases are scary, but not the same at all.

Thanks for this important and insightful comment. Everybody taking careful notes - I was chased, not jumped. I really didn't know that to begin with, and I swear I'll never make the mistake again. Sorry I let you down Jax. fuuck

[rokuez]

Originally Posted by WVUtubadude

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.


Do yourself a favor and get a concealed carry license and a gun.

Period

[Silver Sonya]

Threads like this always solicit the NRA types from GS.

And then people from other civilized countries are appalled how we think and act in the U.S.

And then it spirals into an absurd melee, gnashing teeth and all. And the mods step in and the threads get deleted.

Happens every time.

Let the games begin!

- c

[shaddai]

To the gun advocates, whilst I can understand your mentality and your reasoning, I would recommend spending some time in almost any developed country that isn't the USA, and you will (hopefully) get a new perspective the pro's and con's of everyone being armed.

Yeah.....like switzerland.

[Jax]

Originally Posted by Storyville

Thanks for this important and insightful comment. Everybody taking careful notes - I was chased, not jumped. I really didn't know that to begin with, and I swear I'll never make the mistake again. Sorry I let you down Jax. fuuck

Ok, you don't think you're taking what I said a little too personally. That's alright, I've seen better attitudes from people in rawer states of mind.

Have you ever actually been beaten up? If so, you might be more inclined to think that running away from violence isn't as big of a deal.

But I'm a just a city boy. Nothing ever happens where I come from.