Getting Jumped Outside The Studio! Yay!

[kafka]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

And then it spirals into an absurd melee, gnashing teeth and all.

You say that like it's a bad thing ...

[valthesoundman]

Hey Storyville, I'd say you where lucky to not get arrested for trespassing! You were in someone else's backyard, you criminal!!!

As far as the firearms thing goes, I'd rather be carried by 6 actually.
If someone is stupid enough to deem worthy of taking someone else's life, well, let him be brainless. Sad, I know, but I would never carry a weapon because I have no right to take anyone from this earth, under any circumstances. Ever.

[antoniosolo]

I grew up in a great neighborhood and no adult male I knew was without a firearm in their home, not one! My mom kept a shotgun, but she grew up on a farm. Better to have and not need, than to need and not have.....

[Resonant Serpent]

Originally Posted by valthesoundman

Hey Storyville, I'd say you where lucky to not get arrested for trespassing! You were in someone else's backyard, you criminal!!!

As far as the firearms thing goes, I'd rather be carried by 6 actually.
If someone is stupid enough to deem worthy of taking someone else's life, well, let him be brainless. Sad, I know, but I would never carry a weapon because I have no right to take anyone from this earth, under any circumstances. Ever.

I can understand someone not wanting to take the life of someone over material possessions, but what about when another's life is in danger? Would you rather have someone kill your wife and kids, or yourself rather than defend them?

I know several people who have lost their lives while their studios were robbed. I remember reading about BT and how he was tied up and thrown in a trunk while they took over 100k worth of studio equipment. Statistically, he was lucky to get out of that alive.

I have several guns, I've used them to put people in the ground -legally and under various circumstances- and I've never regretted it for a second. Then again, I grew up in one of the worst ghettos in the US during the 70's, so I'm no stranger to violence. I'm willing to bet you've lived a nice, quiet upper middle class existence, and that makes you naive to how the world works in certain areas.

[valthesoundman]

Originally Posted by Resonant Serpent

I can understand someone not wanting to take the life of someone over material possessions, but what about when another's life is in danger? Would you rather have someone kill your wife and kids, or yourself rather than defend them?

I know several people who have lost their lives while their studios were robbed. I remember reading about BT and how he was tied up and thrown in a trunk while they took over 100k worth of studio equipment. Statistically, he was lucky to get out of that alive.

I have several guns, I've used them to put people in the ground -legally and under various circumstances- and I've never regretted it for a second. Then again, I grew up in one of the worst ghettos in the US during the 70's, so I'm no stranger to violence. I'm willing to bet you've lived a nice, quiet upper middle class existence, and that makes you naive to how the world works in certain areas.

Guess again

I'm sorry, I speak strictly for MYSELF in my comment. I mean, I don't personally feel I have the right to take someone's life, no matter what the situation. I think psychology can go along way, and I have put it to the test, several times, in really awkward situations, that involved hand weapons (ie knives, bats), and armed people, luckily not pointing them around...

Crazily heading OT now, so back on course, Storyville, glad you're safe...

[DDBass]

@ Chris Lago. Just out of curiosity, with guns being illegal in Canada, what do your criminals use as weapons? Knives? Sticks? Brass knuckles?

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by DDBass

@ Chris Lago. Just out of curiosity, with guns being illegal in Canada, what do your criminals use as weapons? Knives? Sticks? Brass knuckles?

Guns aren't illegal, it's just that it's harder to get one, and I don't think you can carry one out in the open like this. They have knives usually, illegal guns (probably black market) and that's it. Usually when they have guns out in the open, they are gang members too. But yeah it's usually knives. There was a stabbing on my street not long ago. It was a party that had gone wrong, someone got stabbed 5 times in the back and yeah, cops arrived etc etc. Luckily, my street is a quarter mile, so there are apartments at the beginning, and houses at the end of the street, and usually all the bad stuff happens where the apartments are (I'm in a house).

[Teddy Ray]

I love my guns. Everyone that owns one should go through mandatory training and a lot of safety courses, though...

sorry you got hassled, Man... A concealed carry permit comes in handy at times.

[Resonant Serpent]

Originally Posted by DDBass

@ Chris Lago. Just out of curiosity, with guns being illegal in Canada, what do your criminals use as weapons? Knives? Sticks? Brass knuckles?

In some parts of Canada it's mandatory that you own a gun because of the wildlife. Just like the US, most of the guns used to commit crimes in Canda are illegally obtained. My main problem with gun ownership here in the US is that all the laws are not uniform. A person banned in one state can go to another to get a gun. And as long as gun manufacturers keep dumping weapons with no serials on to the black market, the problem will continue. The cops even have a racquet where they are selling the guns they confiscate instead of destroying them, and they end up back in the black market. According to federal law, police departments are required to report the guns they confiscate and people who are receiving mental health treatment, but they do neither, and the feds have done nothing about it.

Pentagon Gun Was From Tennessee Police

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Resonant Serpent

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Pentagon Gun Was From Tennessee Police

beside the huffpo(not fair and balanced by any stretch..the fox news of liberal media) post...I do agree.. laws are all over the place.

[Storyville]

Yeah, I'm not getting a gun. I walked home tonight as well - I wish a bus ran late on Sundays. I guess I fall into a pretty distinct minority - someone who works very late on weekends, who commutes from the city to the suburbs to get to work, and doesn't own a car. Hell, some parts of the suburbs don't even freaking have sidewalks.

But point is, I walked home into the city at night, no gun. I have my brain and a cell phone - hopefully that's enough.

[Resonant Serpent]

Originally Posted by Storyville

Yeah, I'm not getting a gun. I walked home tonight as well - I wish a bus ran late on Sundays. I guess I fall into a pretty distinct minority - someone who works very late on weekends, who commutes from the city to the suburbs to get to work, and doesn't own a car. Hell, some parts of the suburbs don't even freaking have sidewalks.

But point is, I walked home into the city at night, no gun. I have my brain and a cell phone - hopefully that's enough.

At least get yourself a can of pepper spray if you really don't want to hurt someone. I've found that dogs are more of a threat than people, and there are more on the streets than ever due to the economy. Next stage would be a taser, but that can also kill people, or be used on you if you're not strong enough.

Good luck.

[labra44]

Bottom line.... don't be walking around at 1 am alone. Anywhere...

I live about 15 miles outside of Detroit. The suburbs nearest Detroit are FAR worse than Detroit itself. My studio is/was located in one of these rough neighborhoods, one of the worst in fact. Never had anything stolen, no one messed with my car, but I wouldn't just be strolling down the street at 1am for any reason. Out the door, quickly to the car, lock the doors. I don't really see a gun for myself, but hey, there are times in my life that I wish I had one. But if you are out and about at that hour you are asking for trouble. First of all, almost everyone out that late has been drinking, that alone makes it dangerous.

[Skywalker]

Running and hiding are good tactics!

Carrying a weapon can go either way depending on the situation... and what happens when you don´t have it with you?

Some basic knowledge in self defense and an alert mind ready to fight or flee in a split second is the way I think it should be.

Nobody is 100% safe, thats an illusion.

[kafka]

Originally Posted by Storyville

I have my brain and a cell phone - hopefully that's enough.

Ummm. OK. But I think a car would be more useful.

[Ciaccona]

ahhh the American love for guns... never ending story.

shoot me and call me Olga!

[eboy]

If you had been carrying a gun in that situation, you may have been tempted to use it
and so escalate the situation out of all control. Instead you used your head and took
the smart way out by running and hiding. That's the danger of carrying any kind of weapon.

[DaKid]

I'd rather have one and not need it than not have one and need it.

On the other side, I've seen people use em when it wasn't needed at all... It's a double edge sword... Too many people get shot around here over bullsh!t.

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Ciaccona

ahhh the American love for guns... never ending story.

shoot me and call me Olga!

Whats not to love? Plenty of German folks love them too. Some of the best times I had...getting my Schützenschnur with all my German Wehrmacht friends...trading weapons, uniform parts, etc. A lot of men, and many women do. It is universal, really. Don't see the problem.

[Ciaccona]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

Whats not to love? Plenty of German folks love them too. Some of the best times I had...getting my Schützenschnur with all my German Wehrmacht friends...trading weapons, uniform parts, etc. A lot of men, and many women do. It is universal, really. Don't see the problem.

your German Wehrmacht friends?
You know the German army is not called Wehrmacht anymore (since 2nd WW). The term "Wehrmacht" refers to the ****s.
It's called "Bundeswehr" ever since then.

I've seen reports about some people in the US meeting in the forests "re-playing" famous battles in **** uniforms...
Must be big fun...

Then again, to each his own, as long as nobody gets hurt.
Oh wait, we were talking about guns...

Nothing personal, I just don't share lust for guns.

[Id Ridden]

Originally Posted by Chris Lago

Guns aren't illegal, it's just that it's harder to get one

You don't know the right people

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by Id Ridden

You don't know the right people

It's all good, I don't want to get a gun and end up like Plaxico Buress, shooting myself in the leg for no reason then getting 2 years in jail for it.

I just have a feeling that it would happen to me of all people somehow.

[Gravity]

Originally Posted by eboy

If you had been carrying a gun in that situation, you may have been tempted to use it
and so escalate the situation out of all control. Instead you used your head and took
the smart way out by running and hiding. That's the danger of carrying any kind of weapon.

+1


You think you're safe carrying a gun... So when you pull your gun on the one guy who yelled the threat, and his 3 buddies drop you right after, who's safe? 2 dead guys isn't 'safe' to me, it's a statistic. Sure, if you meet a guy one on one in a dark alley, you might be ok... But then, what if you get twitchy and suspicious? Shoot a guy who ISN'T carrying a weapon because you'd rather be judged by 12.... You gonna be able to live with that?

Maybe they're all right about not understanding the culture being from crazy rural backwards Canada ... but all I know is that from about 10 minutes of searching on google, I can see that the US has between 2 and 3 times the number of gun deaths (for all categories total, accidental, suicide and homicide) of Canada and other countries with stronger gun laws and a different cultural attitude towards guns.

I think the guy that runs away, ducks into a back yard and calls the cops is better off than the guy who gets one shot off from his concealed carry before 3 guys kill him.

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Ciaccona

your German Wehrmacht friends?
You know the German army is not called Wehrmacht anymore (since 2nd WW). The term "Wehrmacht" refers to the ****s.
It's called "Bundeswehr" ever since then.

Semantics.... Some of my German Army friends called themselves wehrmacht(maybe in jest) some of them still do. I spoke to one last week.

and I know about Bundeswehr... I worked around German Army soldiers every day for 5 years!. And Guns are fun. God, I miss those days, shooting weapons, drinking beer with the German and British troops..

Bad Aibling, Hof, Potsdam...good, good times.

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Ciaccona

I've seen reports about some people in the US meeting in the forests "re-playing" famous battles in **** uniforms...
Must be big fun...

Sure is to the guys that do it. One of my best friends is in a re-enactment group in Colorado. He is a Hauptbereitschaftsleiter. they do not do it to glorify the SS or anything...just as the people who reenact the civil war do not glorify the yanks or rebs...

it is our history, and it is very educational to some.

you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, I see.

[Ciaccona]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, I see.

Nah, not really. I just think it's stupid.

Let's move on.

[badmark]

Originally Posted by Chris Lago

It's all good, I don't want to get a gun and end up like Plaxico Buress, shooting myself in the leg for no reason then getting 2 years in jail for it.

I just have a feeling that it would happen to me of all people somehow.

Yeah. Don't let French literature students get hold of guns!

[S.Filpansick]

Look guys, I understand that not everybody is into guns, and I also understand that not everyone that legally (or otherwise) carries a gun should; I still think that it's a great idea for everybody (with the proper mental capacity) to have one... I just think that there should be a lot more training and mental prep required to get a ccw/cpl.

I've had mine for over 10 years, and I've been in some pretty sticky situations... I've even been in fist fights while carrying.

The thing that you people don't seem to realize (maybe even a lot of people that carry don't fully realize) is that the use of lethal force is the absolute LAST/worst possible option.

The OP handled this exactly right; I would have done the same exact thing (in fact I have in similar situations), EVEN WHILE ARMED!

In over 10 years of carrying, through varying types of sh!tty situations, I still always try other options first.
There has been only ONE time that I was forced to draw my weapon; I was backed into a corner had had no other choice... the guy was going to stab me. As soon as it was out the holster, the guy turned and ran, and I got the fvck out of there!

I honestly can not recall ANY time in my life that my heart was beating faster/harder; in fact, my heart still races when I think about it! I was fully prepared to do what had to be done, and fortunately it didn't come to that; it was 3+years ago, but I still think about it quite a bit.

It definitely is not something to be taken as lightly as a lot of you (on both sides of the debate) seem to think!


Anyway, to the OP, way to use your head! Good luck and stay safe!

[Hardtoe]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

Threads like this always solicit the NRA types from GS.

And then people from other civilized countries are appalled how we think and act in the U.S.

And then it spirals into an absurd melee, gnashing teeth and all. And the mods step in and the threads get deleted.

Happens every time.

Let the games begin!

- c

They could always just shoot us...problem solved.

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by S.Filpansick

that the use of lethal force is the absolute LAST/worst possible option.

Yes it is. Lord knows, I still have nightmares about Iraq. It is a terrible thing to take another person's life. Very, very heavy thing to live with. I could never understand the gravity of that situation until reality really brought it home.

but sometimes..it is kill or be killed..and even though I struggle with things I did over there, I know in my heart of hearts that it was the right thing to do at those moments in time.

anyway. I have an IMMENSE respect for guns and the power they have to shape the course of someone's life. but to throw all guns to the wolves, to neuter the defensive capabilities of everyone out there in the name of "world peace" (right, like that will ever happen). thats throwing the baby out with the bathwater.