Some love for Nickelback!

[Ernest Buckley]

Originally Posted by MilesSmiles

I have spent my life trying to get into one decent, not good, but decent band. Maybe play just one "acceptable" show. Maybe even one that isn't a sausagefest. Maybe for once in my life, get a girl who doesn't think music is a waste of time. Unfortunately, that has never happened, and now that I'm 26 and have a 55-hr a week job, it never well.

I would do anything, anything at all, to have a 10th of that success. Unfortunately, despite the hours, and hours, and hours, and hours of practicing, going to berklee, playing with everyone I possibly can, and the hours and hours and hours of networking over the years, none of it matters, because I'm not rail thin, I don't have a doochbag holier-than-thou attitude, and I don't have cool hair, as someone pointed out earlier.

Knock a band like that when you're at a similar level.

I can't. I would die to experience just one day they way they do. But I never will.

Wow, you`re full of excuses. There are a lot of guys that are rail thin, have goatees, long beautiful hair, look prettier than their gfs and can fake the rock god thing but they still live with their parents and they`re 30. They even get lucky twice a month with their gfs.

Truth is, you could lose weight if you wanted to.
You could improve your playing if you wanted to.
You could make all the connections if you wanted to.
But its no guarantee that you`re going to have 1/10th of their success so enjoy the ride.

If you`re unhappy with things, change them, only you can.

Sorry about the self help talk but sometimes we need to be reminded... WE MUST BECOME THE CHANGE WE SEEK IN THE WORLD.

Something tells me, NB would still be rocking out hard if they had no success.

Thats the new attitude you want to acquire. ROCK OUT NO MATTER WHAT. Wear your heart on your sleeve. Stay true.

Peace,
EB

[MilesSmiles]

Originally Posted by dragan

That's a pretty flawed point, and sort of popular on this forum. No, you don't have to be a super famous musician to have an opinion about a band, just like you don't have to know how to paint to like or dislike a painting.

Also, no, you don't have to be envious to dislike something or have an opinion about it.

you're absolutely right...so let me rephrase.

"It's a useless waste of time to rip on someone else's success."

fixed it....

[MilesSmiles]

Originally Posted by Ernest Buckley

Wow, you`re full of excuses. There are a lot of guys that are rail thin, have goatees, long beautiful hair, look prettier than their gfs and can fake the rock god thing but they still live with their parents and they`re 30. They even get lucky twice a month with their gfs.

Truth is, you could lose weight if you wanted to.
You could improve your playing if you wanted to.
You could make all the connections if you wanted to.
But its no guarantee that you`re going to have 1/10th of their success so enjoy the ride.

If you`re unhappy with things, change them, only you can.

Sorry about the self help talk but sometimes we need to be reminded... WE MUST BECOME THE CHANGE WE SEEK IN THE WORLD.

Something tells me, NB would still be rocking out hard if they had no success.

Thats the new attitude you want to acquire. ROCK OUT NO MATTER WHAT. Wear your heart on your sleeve. Stay true.

Peace,
EB

All of that is true, and I did change. I vowed to never be in a band again. I'm sick of being the only one to put in the effort and hard work. nothing is more deflating than being part of a team where you are the only one who cares. it just plain sucks ass,

so I changed myself, and got into recording. thank god for that. now I make pretty good money off of people who think they are the next nickelback. pretty awesome...

I will never, ever play in a band again. waste of time, effort, energy, and most of all money.

[ambiguity]

Originally Posted by MilesSmiles

you are correct, but indirectly, music does get shoved down your face...every time you go to a barber shop, or store, or at just about every job I've ever had there is a radio blasting somewhere. and if you ask to change it, you're the automatic doochbag, and you catch hell for it.

So yes, music does get shoved down throats.

I guess you do always have the option of becoming a recluse. A viable option for a coltrane fan like myself.

Hey MilesSmiles, you can tune that stuff out easily, you'll only really hear it if you're paying attention to it.

And yeah, I agree it's useless waste of time to rip on someone else's success. Then again, we're all human

[Space Station]

Originally Posted by dragan

And yeah, I agree it's useless waste of time to rip on someone else's success. Then again, we're all human

I think we all do, it's about hating the noise eminating from them, not their success.

Then again if something is perceived as being of poor quality in some way, it is natural to question the success of it's creator.

[MilesSmiles]

Originally Posted by Space Station

I think we all do, it's about hating the noise eminating from them, not their success.

Then again if something if something is perceived as being of poor quality in someway, it is natural to question the success of it's creator.

this!

+10

[decaren]

I guess my point about the band is that they have decided to play what will make them money and not what they truly want. That to me is pure sell out. Someone earlier in the post said that not one of us would truly sit there if offered the job to work with Nickelback and I can honestly say yes I would. Instead of working on soulless music, I would rather work with some local band that sounds like crap and has no fans but believes whole heartedly in their music and will probably not pay me in the end anyway. Period. Music for the love of Music. Not Music for the love of Money.

[MikeTSH]

I love Nickelback, and those who say "**** I'd never record that shit for money".

Oh good lord, grow up. You obviously would. I WOULD!

I love Nickelback's music. "Good" is such a personal belief. I think rap and rnb are rubbish, but others like it. The only remote way to definite was a majority think is good fairly is sales. Nickelback sell well = very popular = large majority love it. I love it - and I don't care one bit :D

[Mr. Light]

Originally Posted by decaren

I guess my point about the band is that they have decided to play what will make them money and not what they truly want. That to me is pure sell out.

What makes you think they don't truly enjoy what they are playing?

[Happy Musicfan]

I really enjoy the INCREDIBLE depth of Nickelback's lyrical concepts and how Chad's stylistic *delivery* of those expansive and challenging ideas varies SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo greatly. SUPREME versatility ! They, as a band, really have a knack for coming up with the UNCOMMON chord and ORIGINAL chord patterns (so creative in their use of the 'powerchord'). Melodically, they produce pure (growling) classics.... people will be singing and humming those memorable melodies DECADES from now. And the sublime SUBTLETY... WOW. And the intricate instrumentation, and amazing virtuosity (they could give Rush lessons in riff complexity, no doubt). Rhythmically, they are just so darn non-primitive. I just love how you never quite know what to expect next with the great Nickelback... surprises at EVERY turn. It's about time a band brought some NEW things to the table... they are the antithesis of 'stock rock' garbage. They should be worshipped by EVERYONE and everyone should DREAM about being in the great band of Nickelback. Their evolution as a band, too, has been tremendous. Move over Lennon & McCartney, Nickelback shows you how it's REALLY done. Talk about SONGWRITING ! WOO-HOO !

[Stitch333]

Whether you love them or hate them, this is really funny:
the pickle | Facebook

I signed on around 40,000 fans and that was only 5 days ago.

[Ernest Buckley]

Originally Posted by Happy Musicfan

I really enjoy the INCREDIBLE depth of Nickelback's lyrical concepts and how Chad's stylistic *delivery* of those expansive and challenging ideas varies SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo greatly. SUPREME versatility ! They, as a band, really have a knack for coming up with the UNCOMMON chord and ORIGINAL chord patterns (so creative in their use of the 'powerchord'). Melodically, they produce pure (growling) classics.... people will be singing and humming those memorable melodies DECADES from now. And the sublime SUBTLETY... WOW. And the intricate instrumentation, and amazing virtuosity (they could give Rush lessons in riff complexity, no doubt). Rhythmically, they are just so darn non-primitive. I just love how you never quite know what to expect next with the great Nickelback... surprises at EVERY turn. It's about time a band brought some NEW things to the table... they are the antithesis of 'stock rock' garbage. They should be worshipped by EVERYONE and everyone should DREAM about being in the great band of Nickelback. Their evolution as a band, too, has been tremendous. Move over Lennon & McCartney, Nickelback shows you how it's REALLY done. Talk about SONGWRITING ! WOO-HOO !

Variety is not their forte and thats probably by plan. I think whats different today is that years ago a band did their thing and if that thing caught on, then they were successful. Today you have bands that are trying to be a big act so they try to address the looks, the sounds, the act overall of what is selling today. You can call that selling out but I just consider it another sales pitch. Just about everything you buy is sold to you, making you think product A is better than product B. The masses have been sold on this sound and NB has gone after it with vengeance. They are successful businessmen. If you think the music industry is anything else, you need a reality check. There is much to learn from them.

Let me just add that Jimmy Page started Led Zep with the same business model. Read up on them. The only difference was back in the 70s, radio was not driven by Clear Channel so you heard variety. NB is simply writing songs that go along with Clear Channels "rules".

Once you mention Clear Channel, forums seem to empty out because the guys who actually have success know this is true so they don`t want to screw themselves.

If Led Zep came along today, they`d be "just another band". Now thats sad.

[Happy Musicfan]

You have to judge the band based on the era they were/are actually in, not in some hypothetical time shift. Led Zep were versatile to the extreme compared to NB, and very unique *for that era* as well. From Black Dog, to Stairway, The Song Remains The Same, Over The Hills, and everything else, is really a vast smorg of different blues based approaches and songcrafting with a high level of compositional/sectional complexity and dynamic musicality. It's to be considered in the 1973 context, NOT in the 2010 context. Also, Page was and is a guitar GOD, mastering both acoustic and electric while the NB guitar playing is entirely underwhelming and entirely derivative. There is no contest. Compared to Zep, NB is merely a superficial BLIP.

[Silver Sonya]

The title of this thread reminds me that GS is not cool.

It's good to be reminded of that.

The first post nearly made me vomit and it was followed by many people actually chiming in support of Nickelback.

Just. Not. Cool.

I need to spend less time here in 2010.

- c

[Ernest Buckley]

Originally Posted by Happy Musicfan

You have to judge the band based on the era they were/are actually in, not in some hypothetical time shift. Led Zep were versatile to the extreme compared to NB, and very unique *for that era* as well. From Black Dog, to Stairway, The Song Remains The Same, Over The Hills, and everything else, is really a vast smorg of different blues based approaches and songcrafting with a high level of compositional/sectional complexity and dynamic musicality. It's to be considered in the 1973 context, NOT in the 2010 context. Also, Page was and is a guitar GOD, mastering both acoustic and electric while the NB guitar playing is entirely underwhelming and entirely derivative. There is no contest. Compared to Zep, NB is merely a superficial BLIP.

I was in no way trying to equate NB with LZ. I was saying that NB are business savvy much like Page was in the 70s when he started LZ. He was looking for specific "pieces" to create the ultimate band. Not just any singer would do. He had to have a certain look, sound and sex appeal. Page knew this and created LZ from not only outstanding musicians but guys that looked the part. NB is doing the same in 2010. Actually its been longer than that but they know what the public wants.

The other point I was making was that so much has changed in the 40 year since LZ that even if another group as talented and diverse emerged, I don`t think most would even know the talent there because it would not receive the attention that an NB would. Things have been so dumbed down, its all about simplicity and hammering people over the head with that one or two hooks ala Black Eyed Peas....

[AfterViewer]

Now you know why the Major Label Music Business Took a Major Dump! NickleCrap and fanbase says it all. And that's just "so-called-rock." They can have em! Two years from now all these fans will be saying " Yeah, Nickleback Sucks Hairy Ass!" as soon as they roll out the red carpet for the next sensation. And on and on it goes. Ha!

[Happy Musicfan]

Ernest Buckley Wrote : 'I was in no way trying to equate NB with LZ.' _________________________________________________________________ Correct, but I was prematurely trying to eradicate any possibility..... I've got to simmer down a tad. What I mean to say, and this is my final answer, is that NB is mundane & mediocre in my opinion and in the opinion of millons of other listeners. However, they are a competent band and a successful band, and if anyone gets pleasure from listening to them, and if listening/enjoying NB gives them a better quality of life, then good for them. [...and that more moderate, open-minded approach is what helps me to be a genuinely HAPPY music fanatic...]

[Happy Musicfan]

Originally Posted by MilesSmiles

you are correct, but indirectly, music does get shoved down your face...every time you go to a barber shop, or store, or at just about every job I've ever had there is a radio blasting somewhere. and if you ask to change it, you're the automatic doochbag, and you catch hell for it.

So yes, music does get shoved down throats.

I guess you do always have the option of becoming a recluse. A viable option for a coltrane fan like myself.

Imagine what would happen to one of the sheeple if they tried to listen to (and understand) A Night In Tunisia, or Giant Steps...

[PlayRadioPlay]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

The title of this thread reminds me that GS is not cool.

It's good to be reminded of that.

The first post nearly made me vomit and it was followed by many people actually chiming in support of Nickelback.

Just. Not. Cool.

I need to spend less time here in 2010.

- c

Agreed.

And as someone that makes music that I believe in which, in turn, will probably never lead to me making much money, I have to say that I would rather be broke than play the crap they play. Which, I am, sort of.

[mrnomer09]

Originally Posted by tapehiss

nickelback does not have near the amount of talent as the chillipeppers.....

they are very skilled, and nickelback is not as skilled...


however, nickelbacks songs always make me feel as though im soaring through the air on wings of eagles -




straight into a heap of shit.

I have to say something to this: compare youtube LIVE clips of both bands and tell me which is more skilled in that arena. Nickelback are near perfect...especially vocally whereas the peppers...well...

[Ernest Buckley]

Originally Posted by Happy Musicfan

Imagine what would happen to one of the sheeple if they tried to listen to (and understand) A Night In Tunisia, or Giant Steps...

Listen, I honestly could care two sh!t$ as to what people consider rock. I like NB, I also like Coltrane... love Giant Steps, on of the best jazz records ever. Love Miles... Sketches of Spain... just beautiful stuff so to make such a general statement is silly and naive.

NB provides a lot of what is missing in todays rock scene. Lots of attitude, really catchy tunes, grooves, sex appeal, etc... its OK if you don`t care for them but to knock people who do like them...

[Ernest Buckley]

Originally Posted by mrnomer09

I have to say something to this: compare youtube LIVE clips of both bands and tell me which is more skilled in that arena. Nickelback are near perfect...especially vocally whereas the peppers...well...

I agree. The RHCP do their thing which is sort of a big wall of noise live. Their records are good if you can tolerate the awful sound which I blame on Rubin... whatever... but to knock NB just tells me that people are really not listening.

[jampottt]

ahhhh Mr Buckley, we meet again with conflicting opinions?

I'm listening to Nickelback now, and I'm enjoying it. I like cliche'd rock music. I like music I can relate to. I like music that feels like the band or artist are personally projecting to you. As much as you may think the musicianship, artistic skills, songwriting skills are junk, that's fine. Opinions are like clitoris' right?

At the end of the day, there records appear sonically perfect, and we could learn a lot from them. They can connect to an audience that the jazz supremoes can't. It's all about what's appropriate and what's perhaps not so much. They tap into Mainstream, that's fine. That's what they want to do.

Though to be fair, I'm a 17 year old, so I'm still a kid. Therefore it's the kind of music that kids are expected to listen to. Though on the flip side, I'll be playing some Steely Dan later on, and probarbly some Pink Floyd. I might then put a Katy Perry album on, Lady Gaga, maybe a Django Rheindhart or Frank Zappa album?

Let's all be varied, slagging off bands is old news.

Jampottt

[Ernest Buckley]

Originally Posted by jampottt

ahhhh Mr Buckley, we meet again with conflicting opinions?

I'm listening to Nickelback now, and I'm enjoying it. I like cliche'd rock music. I like music I can relate to. I like music that feels like the band or artist are personally projecting to you. As much as you may think the musicianship, artistic skills, songwriting skills are junk, that's fine. Opinions are like clitoris' right?

At the end of the day, there records appear sonically perfect, and we could learn a lot from them. They can connect to an audience that the jazz supremoes can't. It's all about what's appropriate and what's perhaps not so much. They tap into Mainstream, that's fine. That's what they want to do.

Though to be fair, I'm a 17 year old, so I'm still a kid. Therefore it's the kind of music that kids are expected to listen to. Though on the flip side, I'll be playing some Steely Dan later on, and probarbly some Pink Floyd. I might then put a Katy Perry album on, Lady Gaga, maybe a Django Rheindhart or Frank Zappa album?

Let's all be varied, slagging off bands is old news.

Jampottt

I think you need to re-read my posts.

btw- I just got back from the record store... just picked up Katy Perrys latest, Taylor Swifts Fearless and Shania Twain.

[jampottt]

Originally Posted by Ernest Buckley

I think you need to re-read my posts.

btw- I just got back from the record store... just picked up Katy Perrys latest, Taylor Swifts Fearless and Shania Twain.

What a good egg

which Shania album?

Taylor Swift's first album was really nice

[londonengineer]

Nickelback are a horrific generic, middle-of-the-road, tame band with nothing that makes them original whatsoever. The songs sound like they were written by a board of directors, and the production is from the 'expensive-but-soulless' school.

And how much $$$ a band earns, how many people they play to, and how many women they attract (Jeez is this the 1980s or something?) are not criteria I judge the worth of a band by. I find it laughable that they can be used to push the case for their merit.

Just an opinion, but it's as valid as anyone else's on this thread.

[jampottt]

Originally Posted by londonengineer

and the production is from the 'expensive-but-soulless' school.

The last two albums were excellently produced. Not soulless in the slightest!

[Ernest Buckley]

Originally Posted by jampottt

What a good egg

which Shania album?

Taylor Swift's first album was really nice

I got Shanias "Come On Over" record. Studying the country songwriting genre more and more. Taylor Swift... not a big fan but I heard this was a good record so I picked it up. Who knows... maybe it`ll grow on me.

[Ernest Buckley]

Originally Posted by londonengineer

Nickelback are a horrific generic, middle-of-the-road, tame band with nothing that makes them original whatsoever. The songs sound like they were written by a board of directors, and the production is from the 'expensive-but-soulless' school.

And how much $$$ a band earns, how many people they play to, and how many women they attract (Jeez is this the 1980s or something?) are not criteria I judge the worth of a band by. I find it laughable that they can be used to push the case for their merit.

Just an opinion, but it's as valid as anyone else's on this thread.

Yes, you`re opinion is as valid as everyone elses so I`m not going to knock it, so lets just agree to disagree.

I think NB rocks hard. Honestly, when I first heard them, I thought all their songs sounded the same but after further listening, I realized, they definitely have their songwriting down to a science so if anything, they are worth listening to just from that perspective.

Their last record produced by Mr. Mutt Lange rocks. Sorry you disagree. The bottom end on this record is HUGE so thats another aspect of their records worth listening to. I think instead of judging these artists and ripping them apart more people should try to listen to them and LEARN.

The last thing I will say about NB, their records actually sound good. They are mastered tastefully and to me at least, they define modern rock... 2005-2011. Take it or leave it.

[Space Station]

Everytime a Nickleback record is played a baby unicorn dies.