If people [engineers] rally against the loudness wars..

Sigma · 14th November 2009, 07:14 PM

why do they put laurels on mixers who crush the crap outta stuff and shill plug ins that exhort it???

doesn't the buck stop with us FIRST??

hankdrummer · 14th November 2009, 07:21 PM

yet another thread about something 99,999 % of the people on earth don't give a F*CK about, me included

sam guaiana · 14th November 2009, 07:45 PM

Seriously, people know about the loudness wars...

Kids dont care how loud it is, neither do new bands.
Older bands know, a la Weezer's Red Album. It was purposely mastered quieter.
Most mastering engineers tell bands or producers flat out what their doing and what they can and can't do. Every time I go to get something mastered, my mastering engineer asks me how I want it done. Multi-band compressors aren't mastering, they're just tamers. A lot of work is still done in mastering.

It is usually our own faults when something is brickwalled, and we obviously choose to do it. It is ultimately our decision to end this faux "war".

mobius.media · 14th November 2009, 07:50 PM

People will make the music that makes them happy. If that's the loudest mix on the planet, who are we to say they are wrong? They are entitled to their opinions.

I've come to view the whole thing with a morbid curiosity and a general sense of laissez-faire. I'm still waiting til someone successfully releases a -4 dB RMS mix. Should be awesome.

Sigma · 14th November 2009, 08:04 PM

you miss the point entirely

the artifacts of smashed sounds

joeq · 14th November 2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam guaiana

Seriously, people know about the loudness wars...

Kids dont care how loud it is, neither do new bands.
Older bands know, a la Weezer's Red Album. It was purposely mastered quieter.
Most mastering engineers tell bands or producers flat out what their doing and what they can and can't do. Every time I go to get something mastered, my mastering engineer asks me how I want it done. Multi-band compressors aren't mastering, they're just tamers. A lot of work is still done in mastering.

It is usually our own faults when something is brickwalled, and we obviously choose to do it. It is ultimately our decision to end this faux "war".

Everybody I talk to at least claims to be backing off...

And every mix that comes through here, the artists get The Lecture when they start asking about Louder.

I do believe I am doing my part; but not to Save The World.

Just to save my mixes!

Mix Master · 14th November 2009, 08:51 PM

The only way that's gonna happen is when clients stop demanding it.

surflounge · 14th November 2009, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sigma

doesn't the buck stop with us FIRST??

no, the buck stops with the 99,999 % of the people on earth don't give a F*CK about it because they vote with their dollar $$$

this is gearslutz, we know the difference
you are preaching to the choir

Protools Guy · 14th November 2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mix Master

The only way that's gonna happen is when clients stop demanding it.

'Aint THAT the truth!

**James 'LA' Lugo** · 14th November 2009, 08:59 PM

I like loud records as long as they aren't clipped. The bigger and louder the better. Bring it on!

Sigma · 15th November 2009, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by surflounge

no, the buck stops with the 99,999 % of the people on earth don't give a F*CK about it because they vote with their dollar $$$

this is gearslutz, we know the difference
you are preaching to the choir

if that were true then why do people here azz kiss engineers who just strap pegging limiters on all tracks and post the inanity on you tube??

joelpatterson · 15th November 2009, 04:31 PM

Because they mistake the azz of a cynical, craven, contemptible engineer for a beautiful girl?

Sigma · 15th November 2009, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joelpatterson

Because they mistake the azz of a cynical, craven, contemptible engineer for a beautiful girl?

yoiu sir are a breath of fresh air

JPeters86 · 15th November 2009, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mix Master

The only way that's gonna happen is when clients stop demanding it.

Best reply I've read here in a while!

14th November 2009, 07:14 PM	#1
Sigma Lives for gear Join Date: May 2006 Location: phallicdelphia Posts: 3,106	If people [engineers] rally against the loudness wars.. why do they put laurels on mixers who crush the crap outta stuff and shill plug ins that exhort it??? doesn't the buck stop with us FIRST?? __________________ I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem - the most important of all human problems"....alberta weintsein "The notes I handle no better than many pianists. But the pauses between the notes, ah, that is where the art resides." Artur Schnabel http://www.myspace.com/miketarsia http://miketarsia.com

14th November 2009, 08:04 PM	#5
Sigma Lives for gear Join Date: May 2006 Location: phallicdelphia Posts: 3,106	you miss the point entirely the artifacts of smashed sounds __________________ I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem - the most important of all human problems"....alberta weintsein "The notes I handle no better than many pianists. But the pauses between the notes, ah, that is where the art resides." Artur Schnabel http://www.myspace.com/miketarsia http://miketarsia.com

14th November 2009, 08:51 PM	#7
Mix Master Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 70	The only way that's gonna happen is when clients stop demanding it. __________________ Mixing "In The Box" beats the crap outta "Living" in A box http://www.protools-mixing.com

14th November 2009, 08:59 PM	#10
James 'LA' Lugo Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,717	I like loud records as long as they aren't clipped. The bigger and louder the better. Bring it on! __________________ Vocal Asylum, 818.259.0190 North Hollywood, CA http://www.JamesLugo.com http://www.WritingGiants.com http://www.myspace.com/jameslugo Clients Include: The Smashing Pumpkins, 311, A Fine Frenzy, The Veronica's, American Idol My Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/jameslugo

15th November 2009, 04:31 PM	#12
joelpatterson Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 5,989	Because they mistake the azz of a cynical, craven, contemptible engineer for a beautiful girl? __________________ Mountaintop Studios ~the peak of perfection~ Petersburgh NY 12138 mountaintop@taconic.net

14th November 2009, 07:21 PM	#2
hankdrummer Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 628	yet another thread about something 99,999 % of the people on earth don't give a F*CK about, me included

14th November 2009, 07:45 PM	#3
sam guaiana Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 202	Seriously, people know about the loudness wars... Kids dont care how loud it is, neither do new bands. Older bands know, a la Weezer's Red Album. It was purposely mastered quieter. Most mastering engineers tell bands or producers flat out what their doing and what they can and can't do. Every time I go to get something mastered, my mastering engineer asks me how I want it done. Multi-band compressors aren't mastering, they're just tamers. A lot of work is still done in mastering. It is usually our own faults when something is brickwalled, and we obviously choose to do it. It is ultimately our decision to end this faux "war".

14th November 2009, 07:50 PM	#4
mobius.media Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,890	People will make the music that makes them happy. If that's the loudest mix on the planet, who are we to say they are wrong? They are entitled to their opinions. I've come to view the whole thing with a morbid curiosity and a general sense of laissez-faire. I'm still waiting til someone successfully releases a -4 dB RMS mix. Should be awesome.

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