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Studer Switzerland is out of business

Zürcher Unterländer

the text in German says, that all the 35 employes at Studer Switzerland are kicked out and they move all the stuff to England(soundcraft).

thank you Harman fuuck



edit: (to avoid confusion)
they just close down their plant (motherhouse) in Switzerland and will continue to exist trough Soundcraft England
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What tha hell ! What is the reason for that ?
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That is sad to hear, a real sign of the times. Studer have always been one of the mainstay's of the industry with a strong showing in broadcast as much as the studio market.

With their demise it sugests that the broadcast market is not doing so well, the Vista, in recent times has been the console of choice for many pro broadcasters,

I am a little surprised that this wasn't enough to keep them in the market. Options for top end consoles are getting thinner by the day.

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That is sad to hear, a real sign of the times. Studer have always been one of the mainstay's of the industry with a strong showing in broadcast as much as the studio market.

With their demise it sugests that the broadcast market is not doing so well, the Vista, in recent times has been the console of choice for many pro broadcasters,

I am a little surprised that this wasn't enough to keep them in the market. Options for top end consoles are getting thinner by the day.

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to be 100% correct:
as the text says, Studer will be still "available" trough Soundcraft England, as a standalone brand.. the main problem is, that the "brains" behind Studer are all out.

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globalisation...
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Yes ! as a GS i had to have you in my friends since we're living in the same country, but this is more a kind of friendlyzzzation !
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It looks like there is no future for digital hardware.
I think that when Studer was making analog machines it was very successful company.
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Zürcher Unterländer
they just close down their plant (motherhouse) in Switzerland and will continue to exist trough Soundcraft England


That's like Lutece closing down and moving all their stuff to McDonald's.
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That's like Lutece closing down and moving all their stuff to McDonald's.
No. Not really.
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It looks like there is no future for digital hardware.
I think that when Studer was making analog machines it was very successful company.
One of there problems was the demise of analogue gear. A dealer I know of had an 820 up for sale at a bargain price and it sat around for months. Their digital desks were amazing quality, but pricey, I suspect this limted their market to broadcast institutions and they are all feeling the squeeze at the moment.

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ok.. they are getting rid of 35 employees, and moving the whole rest of the stuff to a smaller building. a lawyer discovered that Studer has a lot of cash in the company. Swiss law says, that you need to list all your gains, losses and saved money at the end of the year, so everyone can see how your business is going. close the company in Switzerland, take the money, reopen it in the UK/USA...wherever.

Studer is doing very well. (altough they had a decrease last year because of the economical crisis).

Soundcraft is not doing well.

both are harman kardon.

Mark Levinson (the brand) is now written on car-radios.. (Harman Kardon too).

go figure.




=> pictures are from the "we want to stay in business-party" from yesterday afternoon in Regensdorf, Switzerland, where Studer is located. a lot of people showed up!
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It is too bad to hear...
what's stopping the employees from starting another company that's privately owned and improving upon the original??

Probably just organization??

The machines CAN be rebuilt...
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It is too bad to hear...
what's stopping the employees from starting another company that's privately owned and improving upon the original??

Probably just organization??

The machines CAN be rebuilt...
yeah.. and I mean you need to buy Studer out of Harman. so if you have some spare money, you might be lucky thumbsup
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What tha hell ! What is the reason for that ?
Nobody buys analog machines anymore, the last person whom I new personally that took possession of a brand new 24 track was in 1990. My machine is from 1981.
Protools HD pretty much even finished off the DASH format.
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Yep.. I have. The cost of tape has been painful for quite awhile...
That said... I truly believe that tape isn't dead...

You don't have to buy the Studer name in order to hire the employees and re-organize??
It just seems to me if "studer" was truly profitable... that someone wouldn't have a problem re-starting a business using the same employees under a different name...
Possibly even in the same building...

Happens all the time here in the US.
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i bought an A827 in 2001
that machine is simply amazing.
if you have a 16 track headstack, it is a great way to record
real players in 2009, 2010..........

that machine is such a beautiful
achievement of engineering
and precision

i don't know of any other gear maker who
went that far with quality.

just the sound of the transport alone, without any audio

be well

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=> pictures are from the "we want to stay in business-party" from yesterday afternoon in Regensdorf, Switzerland, where Studer is located. a lot of people showed up!
Nice. Start a riot thumbsup

I don't see you there George tutt
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Yep.. I have. The cost of tape has been painful for quite awhile...
That said... I truly believe that tape isn't dead...

You don't have to buy the Studer name in order to hire the employees and re-organize??
It just seems to me if "studer" was truly profitable... that someone wouldn't have a problem re-starting a business using the same employees under a different name...
Possibly even in the same building...

Happens all the time here in the US.

Plenty to stop that happening, everything from anti-competition clauses in the workers contracts, patents, copyright of designs. Studer no longer make any analogue tape machines, their core business has been the digital desk market and various peripherals. As far as I know, the parts for the digital desks have, for some time, been made at Soundcraft's, Potters Bar, unit. 2-4 years ago they installed automatic board assembly machines at the Soundcraft site and the press release mentioned in addition to the souncraft Vi series consoles, Studer Vista components were to be made their too.

Harman are a strange company in my view, look at the stratedgy addopted over Lexicon, market leader to virtually nowhere in just a few years.

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Studer made lots of stuff other than analog recorders..They also did/do serious HI FI..
Very sad! Studer/revox gear always inspired confidence and was close to perfect in many cases..
Oh well!!
Just hope all with their gear can obtain spares and servicing etc for years to come...
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Yep.. I have. The cost of tape has been painful for quite awhile...
That said... I truly believe that tape isn't dead...

You don't have to buy the Studer name in order to hire the employees and re-organize??
It just seems to me if "studer" was truly profitable... that someone wouldn't have a problem re-starting a business using the same employees under a different name...
Possibly even in the same building...

Happens all the time here in the US.
Most companies close because they are no longer profitable. But with that said labour costs in Switzerland are very high so maybe they will just move it to the UK to save money.
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I would think company saving would be more important than saving paper

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Plenty to stop that happening, everything from anti-competition clauses in the workers contracts, patents, copyright of designs. Studer no longer make any analogue tape machines, their core business has been the digital desk market and various peripherals. As far as I know, the parts for the digital desks have, for some time, been made at Soundcraft's, Potters Bar, unit. 2-4 years ago they installed automatic board assembly machines at the Soundcraft site and the press release mentioned in addition to the souncraft Vi series consoles, Studer Vista components were to be made their too.

Harman are a strange company in my view, look at the stratedgy addopted over Lexicon, market leader to virtually nowhere in just a few years.

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Some really good points Roland...
thanks for the words.
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Yep.. I have. The cost of tape has been painful for quite awhile...
That said... I truly believe that tape isn't dead...
Tape will never be "dead". It will just be more of a novelty in the long run. Kind of like travel by horse. It isn't "dead" just more of a hobbyist mode of transportation. Not something that anyone but the canadian mounties would use in real life. We're still a ways off still, but soon, keeping those machines running will be the deciding factor in the "tape vs. DAW" wars.

On the OP's note though, sorry to see Studer fall into the Harman morass.......
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I remember when Harmon bought Lexicon a while back. Lexicon's headquarters used to be 4 blocks from my house in MA. It's all about the $$$. They don't really care about the employees.

Harmon seems to buy forward thinking company's and turn them around to think bass ackwards.

I know more than few designers and engineers who had to find other work, only at that time there was other work around to be had.

Hopefully, the people from Studer will land on their feet.
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Most companies close because they are no longer profitable. But with that said labour costs in Switzerland are very high so maybe they will just move it to the UK to save money.
no. they are doing very well. thumbsup
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Im surprised it took this long! Harmon had to many brands in competing markets, and has never understood The DAW market! To Harmon its always been lets design a cheap turd and put a respected name on it!
Roger Quested and the Guys a Turbosound who bought back their Companies after Harmon bought AKG were the smart ones!
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If this market was larger and more profitable then it is, I'm sure some asian venture capital company would have picked up the Studer employees in no-time.

Added to that, employee contract clauses concerning competitive positions are likely not accepted by various european courts, especially when the employees got fired. As long as no patents are being hurt, I think a fair chance exists the employees *could* run a competitive company.

I wish the Studer employees all the best.
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Studer is profitable. the market is profitable.

soundcraft is not.. it's shifting money politics..
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