Digital Sucks! The sooner you understand this the better off you are going to be...

[audioguynyc]

ok lets get this straight cause i think im being misundersood.

like i said im not knocking tape and im not saying it doesnt sound better

im not even saying the high price of maintaining a analog system isnt worth it.

im making a note on how all these old school guys love to talk about how digital is ' evil '

and i dont know why people assume all music made on pro tools are garbage and all music on tape is great. its like the old stereotype of the rich guy being greedy and the poor guy being the opposite. the real world doesnt ALWAYS work this way. even if it does some of the time. im sure if you look hard enough you can find a vinyl record you cant stand, and a record made since 2000 that you like. if you cant then i guess you need to look harder or stop lying. why is the assumtion that i can make good record using sonik synth or a Reason 4 module for a fraction of the price armed with only creativity and not thousands of dollars of gear a horribly wrong, silicon valley inspired rumor? isnt creativity what music is all about? or was the false idea of creativity being more important that anything else invented in the marketing department at digidesign or apple? ISNT MOST SOUND DESIGN THESE DAYS DONE DIGITALLY???

and as far as digital making everyone a professional, obviously this isnt so. but while it doesnt make every annoying hacker/computer geek with a digi003 an engineer, it does make a musician with at least a modest knowledge of recording, and who doesnt have all this money to spend on studio time, be able to cut a decent sounding demo or record a rehearsal. i think thats awsome. if that 'sucks' topicstarter then maybe your a bit selfish and need to reconsider the facts about the world around us. im sorry pro tools is taking your business but i only feel as bad for you as i also do for the drive through movie operator. im sure he thinks netflix is evil too.

the fact that some1s sitting there typing digital sucks on a computer and/or laptop and/or mobile phone makes them somewhat of a hypocrite. the ATM doesnt sucks because the teller gives out crispier $20 bills. its a matter of personal prefrence. it doesnt mean atms should be outlawed


if you love to put 'demagnetize tape heads' on your calendar every week then good for you. no offense but i got more important shit to do then sit at home and kiss my console all day. i got moves to calculate gigs to play networking to do and money to make.

once again no offense to anyone btw. were all adults here i presume. to the poster above me i wish you much sucess with your vinyl album. i hope enough vinyl heads buy your record to help support and maintain the gear u got over there.

[audioguynyc]

that was a long rant and i apologize but im pretty much done here this conversation isnt going to get us anywhere. im sorry you feel that way topicstarter. maybe soon i will be able to see things your way. good luck with your music. i just hope you know your limiting your audience by continuing to only use primitive technologies and not the best of both worlds. im not sure why you have a computer but thats none of my business.


thats all,

- deuce the digital freak

[audioguynyc]

Originally Posted by EstateMatt

I think van gogh was a dick for using a paint brush. I use my cock to paint and it's a ton better. I'm GONNA YELL AND SCREAM ABOUT IT. YOUR ALL ASS HOLES RUINING MY LITTLE WORLD!!!!!!!

whoa, not cool. grow up dude.

[sameal]

i imagine myself skipping through a glorious field, where the flowers are digital and analog alike, and i pick a few of each and make a wonderfull bouquet.

[u b k]

Originally Posted by hipass

I would say the same thing if I was an analog gear pimp too.

If you said those things solely because you were a pimp, but didn't actually believe them, then we'd be different. I work with (and pimp) analog tools because they're worth my time and effort. We don't know each other, so I'll have to trust you when you say you'd whøre your integrity for a dollar; any attempt to paint me with the same brush is simply inaccurate.

At NAMM, when I unveiled the product I pimp, I was approached by a company who wanted to do a plugin comp for me. I listened to their other compressors and passed. I can't put my name on something that I wouldn't use myself. The inescapable truth is there is *way* more money to be made in software, and way less money is required to develop a piece of code than to do a run of 100 compressors.

Originally Posted by hipass

What the *uck have you been smoking.

Orange Diesel x Hash Plant.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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[PlayRadioPlay]

Originally Posted by Careyn

analog gear offers more tangible value to potential musicians and studio owners than digital because the raw material resources that make the analog product what it is are of greater monetary value that those of digital and software gear

A Ferrari Enzo is more expensive than a Jeep Wrangler. Which one is more valuable? It depends. If you want a fast, flashy car to drive on the freeway, the Enzo is more valuable. But if you need a vehicle to use on your ranch, the Ferrari Enzo is completely, 100% worthless.

[d1rtynyc]

Originally Posted by equallyscrewed

Digital sucks guys! We should be writing letters to each other rather than discussing it on a digital forum.

ha ha ha!!!!
I almost wrote something similar, you beat me to it.

[Careyn]

there are plenty of poorly-designed boxes out there with expensive components in them.

Name them. Name their components.

You're making music, right? And the music you're making doesn't have any tangible components, does it? So if the digital gear you're looking at does a better job than an analog piece, making your music better, is that not a valid argument?

If it did a better job nobody would be using analog anymore.
But it doesn't do a better job. It is just cheap to produce and a lot of money can be gone towards convincing people it does a better job which brings us to

I would say that if a piece of software helps generate more income than a piece that has components, then it's offering more value to a musician or studio owner.

It may not be "tangible" value, but who cares?

If I piece of gear attracts a lot of customers even though it is cheap to make and expensive to buy that is not value. That is just hype.

Another important part of the picture is that people wouldn't buy it if they didn't like it...or if it didn't work.

You are giving people way too much credit they are not that sophisticated when it comes to buying gear. What they usually end up buying is the gear that reaches their ears above the other gear out there. Thus advertising and careful product placement is what moves the boxes off the shelves. Not components, design and sound quality.

OME analog gear is better than the digital equivalent but not all. If you can't make something sound decent with the abundance of digital tools out there you either aren't trying or you suck. "All digital is bad"... Really, you're that lost and closed minded?

I have already talked about this. I will not repeat myself just because you are too lazy to go past first page. Refer to previous posts.

OK, time out.

Use what you like.

Don't worry about what other people like.

Get over yourself.

That is all.

Okay. Can't argue with that.

the ironic thing is - without digital, this thread wouldn't exist...

First off please forgive me for not clarifying this for the mentally challenged here...
We are talking about digital and how it can be applied to audio recording gear. Particularly audio recording gear with ridiculously inflated prices.
We are not talking about digital applied to Vbulletin message board scripts.
Those are good Sqye. Those are good.

Especially if they come with features that allow me to be as graphic as I want to be.
For example I can dfegad all over your posts and give you the fuuck too.

I would be more than willing to agree that analog sounds better than digital as long as you guys agree to buy me a full analog suite for my studio.

Wow. That is even worse than the people who wanted to tell me that digital sounds better because Vbulletin message board scripts are digital.
So let me get this straight. As long as you can't afford it you can't agree that it sounds better?
Tell me... are you always this stupid or are you making a special effort today?

[Sqye]

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[Careyn]

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Settle down there Sqye. You're gonna spill your pepsi.

[toneguru]

All you need are great ears, great musical instincts and a good attitude and everything will be fine.

I think the quote below applies here...

I'll be a park and thou shalt be a deer; feed where thou wilt, on mountain or in dale;
Graze on my lips, and if those hills be dry, stray lower where the pleasant fountains lie...
- William Shakespeare

[aeonsound]

Originally Posted by Careyn

A crucially important fact is the fact that analog gear offers more tangible value to potential musicians and studio owners than digital because the raw material resources that make the analog product what it is are of greater monetary value that those of digital and software gear.

This is a fact.

really? i don't think it is. where's the evidence?

1) how do you measure 'tangible value' in terms of 'raw material resources'?

2) where is the evidence that the 'raw material resources' in piece of gear is what gives it value?

you seem to be quite happy demanding other posters list components of individual gear. since you beat everyone over the head with your size-48 'fact', i reckon it's only fair you give us the same respect.

so please, explain how the 'raw material resources' in an RME Fireface have less 'tangible value' than those in a PreSonus EQ3B. or alternatively, any one of a hundred distinctly average budget pieces of analog gear.

When I buy a piece of gear the first thing I ask my self is how much money did the company spend to produce this. I am not talking about research. I am simply talking about components. The purchasing decision is based strictly on that.

that's very strange. you mean if you had to choose which mic preamp you wanted, the first and only purchasing criteria would be how much you imagine the company spent on components? how do you reach such a figure - do you open up the box and count the capacitors, deduct a little for wholesale pricebreaks, factor in a rough estimate for housing, and add a few dollars for a ham sandwich the designer bought themselves for lunch on day 4 of the project?

i can't honestly imagine using design cost criteria to decide something as subjective as audio gear. maybe it's just me, but when i'm buying gear a big part of the decision is based on what i like the sound of.

[Duardo]

Name them. Name their components.

I suppose what constitutes a "poor design" is a matter of opinion, but a quick search of these pages will quickly turn up plenty of pieces of high-end gear that people consider to be of poor quality. I'm sure that some of the more outspoken members here will be happy to cite examples. But just to be clear, you're saying that any piece of equipment that uses expensive components is, by definition, a well-designed piece of equipment?

If it did a better job nobody would be using analog anymore.
But it doesn't do a better job. It is just cheap to produce and a lot of money can be gone towards convincing people it does a better job which brings us to

What is this "it" you're referring to...are you saying that all analog gear is better than all digital gear? I'd call that a gross overgeneralization...

I'm not referring to a specific piece of equipment, or to "analog" and "digital" in general...I'm saying that if one particular piece of digital equipment does a better job for the task at hand than another particular piece of analog gear, then it is a better value.

By your definition I could say that "digital" is better than "analog" because more people are using it. But that's not correct...just like it's not correct that the fact that some people are still using analog gear makes it, by definition, better than digital gear.

If I piece of gear attracts a lot of customers even though it is cheap to make and expensive to buy that is not value. That is just hype.

Of course it's value. If it generates income then it offers value. It may be hype as well...there's hype surrounding good equipment as well as bad.

You are giving people way too much credit they are not that sophisticated when it comes to buying gear. What they usually end up buying is the gear that reaches their ears above the other gear out there. Thus advertising and careful product placement is what moves the boxes off the shelves. Not components, design and sound quality.

Which "people" are you referring to? It sounds to me like you're doing the same thing you accuse these "people" of, except instead of dismissing the gear they don't see based on advertising and product placement, you're dismissing gear based on prejudice against what, digital equipment in general? Or specifically plugins?

Don't get me wrong. My studio is full of nice pieces of hardware with plenty of expensive components inside them. But there are also plenty of plugins I get a lot of good use out of.

[digital 1010]

Roland Jd800 and 990 are both DIGITAL synths and they rock

[miro]

Originally Posted by digital 1010

Roland Jd800 and 990 are both DIGITAL synths and they rock

i guess JD 800 looks better than it sounds

[sameal]

new! digilog from blammo!

[AllAboutTone]

wow, some real anger here, a lot of what you said his true, however I only use digital as in PT for a tape machine, I have always hated plugs, plus I have never tried out a preamp in any convertors, I had rather use all high end hardware. So digital does not suck, just what you let be attached to it.

Originally Posted by Careyn

I am tired of all this sales pitch BS! I am disgusted by all the hype surrounding new DSP ''innovations'' with usb connections that get marketed in magazines and sell for $3000 only to lose %80 of their value and go out of fashion in a few years to be replaced by whatever gimmick they put out this year. I am tired of plugins that cost absolute sh!t to reproduce costing $1000. Emulators emulating emulations that fall short. I am tired of this industry trying to cut corners everywhere! I am tired of all the made in china ''pro gear''

Get out of this mentality they are trying to put you in.

Real gear costs real money to make. A mixer with summing amps preamps hardware eq wiring costs real money to make. The latest innovating emulation emulating it wont hold a candle to the actual components that make the board what it is. I don't care who you pay to tell me otherwise.
And if you take the guts out of the mixer and replace it with a computer that runs software to make bigger profit I WONT BUY IT! Sorry you can **** Off.

Enough already.

I am tired of synths hardware and software sounding like absolute SH!T.
Have accountants took over 95% of the companies and turned the keyboard industry to S***? What is this S**t? Toys are us? I am tired of these weak *** emulations that sound like a turd. Sure you can pay somebody to tell me the turd is great you can edit the turd shape the sound of the turd add effects to the turd but the bottom line is the tone of the instrument sucks and shouldn't be part of your song to begin with. Period.

Doesn't anybody want to make a piece of gear that works like it is supposed to anymore? Something that... you know... could inspire people?
Is the business model of paying all the money to advertisers and product placement and replacing actual components with gimmics to give the end consume s**t for his money and make big profit the only business model companies follow these days ?

**** all this! And **** the liars that are spreading all this nonsense everywhere!
A plug-in doesn't sound as a compressor! It sounds like a plug in.

Get a nice little board a few pieces of kit that you like and have proven to be useful maybe even tape! Yes you read correctly! Tape! Maybe if you play keyboards get a few good old keyboards that work with voltage not software and sound nice and make some nice music! Get out of the mentality ''I can do everything the big studio can with software'' they are trying to put you in and get your money with endless possibility emulators and the rest of the BS! Instead focus on building a good home studio that works like... a good home studio! Focus on actual components and you will have much better sound in the end. Not with ****** software and software in hardware trying to do what real gear is supposed to do and most of the time falling short! I am not saying don't use software but is this really all you want to build your home studio on?

Digital sucks! The sooner you understand this the better off you are going to be.

[allencollins]

Originally Posted by Careyn

I am tired of all this sales pitch BS! I am disgusted by all the hype surrounding new DSP ''innovations'' with usb connections that get marketed in magazines and sell for $3000 only to lose %80 of their value and go out of fashion in a few years to be replaced by whatever gimmick they put out this year. I am tired of plugins that cost absolute sh!t to reproduce costing $1000. Emulators emulating emulations that fall short. I am tired of this industry trying to cut corners everywhere! I am tired of all the made in china ''pro gear''

Get out of this mentality they are trying to put you in.

Real gear costs real money to make. A mixer with summing amps preamps hardware eq wiring costs real money to make. The latest innovating emulation emulating it wont hold a candle to the actual components that make the board what it is. I don't care who you pay to tell me otherwise.
And if you take the guts out of the mixer and replace it with a computer that runs software to make bigger profit I WONT BUY IT! Sorry you can **** Off.

Enough already.

I am tired of synths hardware and software sounding like absolute SH!T.
Have accountants took over 95% of the companies and turned the keyboard industry to S***? What is this S**t? Toys are us? I am tired of these weak *** emulations that sound like a turd. Sure you can pay somebody to tell me the turd is great you can edit the turd shape the sound of the turd add effects to the turd but the bottom line is the tone of the instrument sucks and shouldn't be part of your song to begin with. Period.

Doesn't anybody want to make a piece of gear that works like it is supposed to anymore? Something that... you know... could inspire people?
Is the business model of paying all the money to advertisers and product placement and replacing actual components with gimmics to give the end consume s**t for his money and make big profit the only business model companies follow these days ?

**** all this! And **** the liars that are spreading all this nonsense everywhere!
A plug-in doesn't sound as a compressor! It sounds like a plug in.

Get a nice little board a few pieces of kit that you like and have proven to be useful maybe even tape! Yes you read correctly! Tape! Maybe if you play keyboards get a few good old keyboards that work with voltage not software and sound nice and make some nice music! Get out of the mentality ''I can do everything the big studio can with software'' they are trying to put you in and get your money with endless possibility emulators and the rest of the BS! Instead focus on building a good home studio that works like... a good home studio! Focus on actual components and you will have much better sound in the end. Not with ****** software and software in hardware trying to do what real gear is supposed to do and most of the time falling short! I am not saying don't use software but is this really all you want to build your home studio on?

Digital sucks! The sooner you understand this the better off you are going to be.

I'm with you digital sucks
At least I'm not alone

GS'ers jumped down my throat on a thread about acoustic gtrs last week

people posting all lame songs and stuff to try to convince me otherwise
yet they just prove my feelings are true.

Mixing OTB requires ...... No thinking at all! It always sounds good.
thank gawd for 2in tape

Sick of tony's stupid ITB catch phrase.

[narcoman]

no Mike.

Mixing OTB requires ability..... it certainly doesn't always sound good.

[sbackdoor]

I actually think OP is kinda right.
If only it were for every bullshit update your software (read: plugins) needs like every other 3 months to keep working with the latest and greatest.

So sick of all threads around here about the very newest plugin compressor/reverb/chorus/EQ that is "ABSOLUTELY the BEST I've EVER heard ITB!!!"

Yeah I really wonder how far we can stretch this.
And how many GS'ers never get to make/record/mix/master anything ever becasue they're always updating/troubleshooting their softgear.

dfegad