Digital Sucks! The sooner you understand this the better off you are going to be...

[steelyfan]

I like a good, passionate rant! Regardless of post numbers . lol!

I've made some good sounding recordings with digital, and some even better sounding ones using some analog stuff in there somewhere.
I guess in the end, if you are happy with your final product, regardless of recording medium, that's where it's at. Enjoying the process for me is just as important as the work itself though, so I tend to lean towards whatever helps me enjoy what I do, digital or not.

I do enjoy turning knobs more than fiddling with a mouse and wave forms though.

Now, back to cage, cause the sharks smell blood! lol.

Steely

[big country]

I wonder if he has a bunch of old anolog gear he wants to sell

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by big country

I wonder if he has a bunch of old anolog gear he wants to sell

I checked OP's previous posts and they mostly seem oriented to ITB production... so there's gotta be a good story here.

Maybe his computer dropped on his foot and broke it or something...


But I don't think I saw much evidence in the handful of recent posts that I briefly scanned that he's been working analog.


Backstory, Careyn?

[big country]

if thats the case

spinny mics rule and so do stereo Pyrolytic carbon pick ups


mono pick ups and mics that dont move

blaaaaaaaa.

[PMoshay]

Actually you may be on to something!
I just realized i don't have a digital input!!!!!!!!!
I guess it's always gonna be analog with me.


(but i do store stuff digitally, i just can't listen to it)

[Careyn]

Blind tests? The difference is night and day! Lets see what should I choose for my studio?
Real gear or software trying to emulate what the real gear is supposed to be doing using code and save the company money in production? Hmm... Tough one...

Yeah! All of the people who make brilliant sounding recordings with less expensive

equipment should dump it! Forget about all of the time you've spent mastering your

little software plugins and non-USA made gear, you've been completely wasting

your time! Now go sell a kidney, rob a bank and buy some "real" equipment...then

spend a few more years learning how to master THOSE tools...and you'll be in

awesome shape with REAL equipment. Don't worry, everyone who listens to music

will TOTALLY know the difference.

This is where you and I are different. When I buy a piece of gear the first thing I ask my self is how much money did the company spend to produce this. I am not talking about research. I am simply talking about components. The purchasing decision is based strictly on that. I love it when a guy builds a product that costs real money to make and then sells it to me instead of blowing smoke up my ass with Bullsh!t.

If you plug in a real compressor into the circuit and hear how it affects the sound it is night and day. And you can build one yourself for cheap. The difference in sound is simply mindblowing. Buy a real synthesizer that is doing what the software is supposed to be emulating and tell me you cant hear a difference. If you don't want to use that keep using the toys. See if I care.

USA or made in china? I dunno... something about a 7 year old girl working 15 hours a day for pennies of the dollar in some dark room so that greedy f*****n company can save money in production doesn't sit right with me.
So I spend the extra dime

You're going to the looney bin!

Insane for telling people to buy gear with actual components that cost money instead of buying software in a box bade in china? Is that so crazy?

It is very time consumming and difficult to create those plug in's whether you think they are crappy sounding or not.

Likewise, a medicine company might spend a fortune in developing a specialised medicine that in the end is cheap to actually manufacture. How is the company supposed to make a profit to develop more medicines if they do not include the R and D in the final cost?

I am not sure where you are going with the medicine analogy but I will tell you this. I am tired of this shitty plugin sound. Why? Coz for the most part they sound like toys.

I wonder if he has a bunch of old anolog gear he wants to sell

Yeah man, you really got me on that...

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by Careyn

Blind tests? The difference is night and day! Lets see what should I choose for my studio?

Try this:

Liquid Mix Challenge


Please post your results.


Oh wait I forgot....


You will get 100% - you do not need to try.

[Shaft]

Originally Posted by Careyn

I am tired of all this sales pitch BS! I am disgusted by all the hype surrounding new DSP ''innovations'' with usb connections that get marketed in magazines and sell for $3000 only to loose %80 of their value and go out of fashion in a few years to be replaced by whatever gimmick they put out this year. I am tired of plugins that cost absolute sh!t to reproduce costing $1000. Emulators emulating emulations that fall short. I am tired of this industry trying to cut corners everywhere! I am tired of all the made in china ''pro gear''

Get out of this mentality they are trying to put you in.

Real gear costs real money to make. A mixer with summing amps preamps hardware eq wiring costs real money to make. The latest innovating emulation emulating it wont hold a candle to the actual components that make the board what it is. I don't care who you pay to tell me otherwise.
And if you take the guts out of the mixer and replace it with a computer that runs software to make bigger profit I WONT BUY IT! Sorry you can **** Off.

Enough already.

I am tired of synths hardware and software sounding like absolute SH!T.
Have accountants took over 95% of the companies and turned the keyboard industry to S***? What is this S**t? Toys are us? I am tired of these weak *** emulations that sound like a turd. Sure you can pay somebody to tell me the turd is great you can edit the turd shape the sound of the turd add effects to the turd but the bottom line is the tone of the instrument sucks and shouldn't be part of your song to begin with. Period.

Doesn't anybody want to make a piece of gear that works like it is supposed to anymore? Something that... you know... could inspire people?
Is the business model of paying all the money to advertisers and product placement and replacing actual components with gimmics to give the end consume s**t for his money and make big profit the only business model companies follow these days ?

**** all this! And **** the liars that are spreading all this nonsense everywhere!
A plug-in doesn't sound as a compressor! It sounds like a plug in.

Get a nice little board a few pieces of kit that you like and have proven to be useful maybe even tape! Yes you read correctly! Tape! Maybe if you play keyboards get a few good old keyboards that work with voltage not software and sound nice and make some nice music! Get out of the mentality ''I can do everything the big studio can with software'' they are trying to put you in and get your money with endless possibility emulators and the rest of the BS! Instead focus on building a good home studio that works like... a good home studio! Focus on actual components and you will have much better sound in the end. Not with ****** software and software in hardware trying to do what real gear is supposed to do and most of the time falling short! I am not saying don't use software but is this really all you want to build your home studio on?

Digital sucks! The sooner you understand this the better off you are going to be.

Yawn.

[waxx]

Originally Posted by CapnMarvel

Only a poor craftsman blames his tools.

I'm definitely no pro, and I'm no genius, but all my crap works, digital or otherwise.

exactly and it' not the tools, it's the output that counts.

[fallforward]

the sooner you realize you have better things to do with your time than convince people of what they should or shouldn't like, the happier you will be.

Though I should've taken my own advice and not posted this...

[Darth Preamp]

Originally Posted by Careyn

USA or made in china? I dunno... something about a 7 year old girl working 15 hours a day for pennies of the dollar in some dark room so that greedy f*****n company can save money in production doesn't sit right with me.
So I spend the extra dime

That is truly the most compelling argument. Why do we think, over here in the 'enlightened' west, that we can reap the benefits of slave labor, without ever having to face the consequences, both morally and economically, of our actions?

And BT"W, I LOVE my analog console and two track tape machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are infinitely better than digital to anybody with even a little bit of an ear.
And since when does success in pop culture justify ANYTHING!!! Anyone remember Andy Warhol? Famous as all hell, but was absolutely nothing in comparison to the great masters.

DP




Reicher Recording - Home

[omtayslick]

Originally Posted by Careyn

Buy a real synthesizer

Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Careyn]

Originally Posted by omtayslick

Isn't that an oxymoron?

No it is not. If you think of synthesizers as keyboards trying to reproduce the sound of real instruments you are missing the point of what synthesizers are about. They are about experimentation. They are about doing their own thing and making sounds that don't exist anywhere. Understand now?

[Batchainpuller78]

Originally Posted by fallforward

the sooner you realize you have better things to do with your time than convince people of what they should or shouldn't like, the happier you will be.

Though I should've taken my own advice and not posted this...

that is a very good point, however there is a whole flock of people and cooperations trying to tell us what to buy next or how to do this and that, a whole lot of this industry is saying, analog you old fool buy the plug in and go ITB, and because of time efficiency it's used and preferred by many.
I'm not so fond of it as my studio is 98% analog and my vinyl collection is too.
and I do miss a certain kind of sound but mostly I don't like working behind the computer all day long and I don't like little screens with lists of parameters and function buttons, I also don't like the delay digital control has, in buttons, switches, and what not always that bit of processing, in analog it's one function per button, on or off, more or less, I find working like that a lot more intuitive and creative, it's like playing an instrument versus programming something, and the absence of a screen during a session is very very very nice, people are drawn to it like skeeters to a campfire.

I'm with the op on instruments that give inspiration, sitting behind a real piano is a totally different experience than playing on a nord-lead, it does not sound & feel like you sitting behind a real instrument resonating and producing overtones in a real room.

But in the end a good melody, song or tune will come across on anything even if it's made with a gameboy or recorded via the microphone mini jack on the back of a pc.

[omtayslick]

Originally Posted by Careyn

No it is not. If you think of synthesizers as keyboards trying to reproduce the sound of real instruments you are missing the point of what synthesizers are about. They are about experimentation. They are about doing their own thing and making sounds that don't exist anywhere. Understand now?

Thanks for the words of wisdom. A window of understanding is opening in my mind. Do these real synths use tubes? If not, it sounds sort of digital to me.

BTW, I have a programable Keytek synth, (anybody remember that one?) 80's vintage. It's great for novelty sounds.

[EstateMatt]

Originally Posted by Careyn

No it is not. If you think of synthesizers as keyboards trying to reproduce the sound of real instruments you are missing the point of what synthesizers are about. They are about experimentation. They are about doing their own thing and making sounds that don't exist anywhere. Understand now?

I actually think you don't understand what the oxymoron thing is about. see your definition of synthesizer (real or fake) is tiny. Get out your analog modules and do convolution, advanced FFT analysis, Sample playback, physical modelling, FFT synthesis, phase vocoding. Then do it all with 1000 samples you downloaded off the internet simultaneosly and control it with a the current temperature in 10 countries then I'll start thinking you have some sort of monopoly on "real synthesis"

[EstateMatt]

Originally Posted by EstateMatt

I actually think you don't understand what the oxymoron thing is about. see your definition of synthesizer (real or fake) is tiny. Get out your analog modules and do convolution, advanced FFT analysis, Sample playback, physical modelling, FFT synthesis, phase vocoding. Then do it all with 1000 samples you downloaded off the internet simultaneosly and control it with a the current temperature in 10 countries then I'll start thinking you have some sort of monopoly on "real synthesis"

MY OSCILLATORS GO OUT OF TUNE DUE TO THE HEAT TOO....
IN FARKING TAHITI!

yeah I quoted myself... WHAT?!

[netrom]

Originally Posted by mdjice

I mixed a record entierly in the box and it went gold single gold album and double platinum compilation, you are right .....digital SUCKS !!??.... (for the record I have a large format console too so I know what I'm talking about) it's not the tools it's the Engineer!
PS: I also produced that record only with soft synths...

Well..Considering the crap that goes gold and platinum nowadays, this post is not a good argument..But I see your point.

[Careyn]

Thanks for the words of wisdom. A window of understanding is opening in my mind. Do these real synths use tubes? If not, it sounds sort of digital to me

I smell sarcasm. Speaking of sarcasm...

Originally Posted by EstateMatt

I actually think you don't understand what the oxymoron thing is about. see your definition of synthesizer (real or fake) is tiny. Get out your analog modules and do convolution, advanced FFT analysis, Sample playback, physical modelling, FFT synthesis, phase vocoding. Then do it all with 1000 samples you downloaded off the internet simultaneosly and control it with a the current temperature in 10 countries then I'll start thinking you have some sort of monopoly on "real synthesis"

OMG! You do all that? I'm impressed!

[TonyBelmont]

[doug hazelrigg]

[EstateMatt]

Originally Posted by Careyn

I smell sarcasm. Speaking of sarcasm...



OMG! You do all that? I'm impressed!

Not the point at all. Point is plain old oscillators no matter what domain they are in can't do certain things. And you can have fun limiting yourself to an unfounded definition of authenticity and I applaud you for it. I'll take that part for what it's worth and do more. A lot more.

heres the sound of two hundred shakuhachi samples starting at random speeds and ramping into a harmonic minor scale. I guess you can call it fake. I just call it something you wont "lower yourself to"

[netrom]

Originally Posted by omtayslick

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Haha!

[AntillesSound]

Hey guys. My HD|3 rig, my c|24, all of my McDSP, Waves and Oxford stuff is all up on ebay now. Also, I felt so motivated by it, that I ordered every Boss DD-3 and DD-7 from Sweetwater and threw them all in a burning waste pit. It is now my mission to purge anything that even reeks of digital ambience from this god forsaken world of 1's and 0's. Die motherboards die!

ps-I also ripped all of the computers out of your SSL's and Neve VRs. You don't deserve them. Its insulting that anything coming off of tape can get even remotely close to bleeps and bloops.

pss-You'll also find all of your hard drives wiped. You're welcome.

[Careyn]

Originally Posted by EstateMatt

Not the point at all. Point is plain old oscillators no matter what domain they are in can't do certain things. And you can have fun limiting yourself to a unfounded definition of authenticity and I applaud you for it. I'll take that part for what it's worth and do more. A lot more.

heres the sound of two hundred shakuhachi samples starting at random speeds and ramping into a harmonic minor scale. I guess you can call it fake. I just call it something you wont "lower yourself to"

I think I can live with the limitations of good old fashioned subtractive synthesis.
Give me a good analog with wooden sides (not plastic painted to look like wood) a lot of hands on control and a nice filter. Thats all I need. The most important thing for me is the tone. It will will sound good in the studio, in the club, in the car. Everytime.

[Batchainpuller78]

antillesound, what do you mean? tape is excellent for bleeps and bloops heck plenty of tape bleeps & bloops in the 40's & 50's it's those 1000 sampled shakuhachi players we need to be aware about :p I thought a movie was going to start after hearing that sound.

[HOTC]

you say digital sucks
well check out ABBA The Visitors...freaking amazing sounding record

[EstateMatt]

Originally Posted by Careyn

I think I can live with the limitations of good old fashioned subtractive synthesis.
Give me a good analog with wooden sides (not plastic painted to look like wood) a lot of hands on control and a nice filter. Thats all I need. The most important thing for me is the tone. It will will sound good in the studio, in the club, in the car. Everytime.

If thats all you need thats fine but don't tell me your some sort of mans synthesist because you use old technology. And don't call me or my instrument(s) fake by any stretch of the word. That's all I ask. I never said your tools were wrong for you, I said mine are right for me.

[rty5150]

my real synths are digital, too.

[glitchfactor]

Am I a liar, or did you not write this in another post?

"As far as interfacing with logic I plant to swap the multiface for a digiface and use two ad-8000s (around 2k with da cards) with a format converter ( know I probably wont be able to find the adat cards :(

Now I do not want to give up any of my software stuff I have some cool stuff like reason atmosphere the moog modular esx sounds the virus powercore ect."


Seriously, what's your deal dude?