I worked for 2 weeks on a film, and got no credit. - Page 2

Led · 2nd July 2009

Now for my Zen comment - If you keep doing this you will get better at dealing with it. I used to get so distraught over a track not working or me not winning a competetive submission. Nowdays I just laugh it off and move on.
If you don't do that, eventually you stop putting too much of 'yourself' into the music, and become formulaic. You do this so it doesn't hurt when your music gets rejected, but it's a double edged sword because the bits of yourself you put into the music are what makes it special and unique to you, and what makes people want you to do the job.
Now in our field it's really hard not to take it personally, because we create something form nothing, and it comes from within ourselves. So if they reject our creativity it feels like they are rejecting us personally. The angle that helped me out was a restuarant analogy - Even though I have my absolute favourites, I don't eat there every night. (this helps when your favourite clients go work with someone else). Also if I don't like a meal I get, it's usually because there's a spice in there I'm not keen on etc. It's just a matter of my tastes, it has nothing to do with the Chef personally. I don't think he's a loser (unless it's terrible) or hopeless at his job, and there are other people who think the same meal is fantastic.
90% of the game is mental. You have to not care too much, while at the same time caring enough....

ianvargo · 2nd July 2009

I'll never stop caring. I still want to add to our artform. In the future, f**k it. I didn't get paid at all for this BTW, it was on my own time.

akai96 · 2nd July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Led

Now for my Zen comment - If you keep doing this you will get better at dealing with it. I used to get so distraught over a track not working or me not winning a competetive submission. Nowdays I just laugh it off and move on.
If you don't do that, eventually you stop putting too much of 'yourself' into the music, and become formulaic. You do this so it doesn't hurt when your music gets rejected, but it's a double edged sword because the bits of yourself you put into the music are what makes it special and unique to you, and what makes people want you to do the job.
Now in our field it's really hard not to take it personally, because we create something form nothing, and it comes from within ourselves. So if they reject our creativity it feels like they are rejecting us personally. The angle that helped me out was a restuarant analogy - Even though I have my absolute favourites, I don't eat there every night. (this helps when your favourite clients go work with someone else). Also if I don't like a meal I get, it's usually because there's a spice in there I'm not keen on etc. It's just a matter of my tastes, it has nothing to do with the Chef personally. I don't think he's a loser (unless it's terrible) or hopeless at his job, and there are other people who think the same meal is fantastic.
90% of the game is mental. You have to not care too much, while at the same time caring enough....

Very very well said.

akai96 · 2nd July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianvargo

I'll never stop caring. I still want to add to our artform. In the future, f**k it. I didn't get paid at all for this BTW, it was on my own time.

If you wanna keep going you will have to change your additude

ianvargo · 3rd July 2009

No I mean, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. F**k the director and us unprofessionalism. Next stop, demo reel.

thehobbster · 4th July 2009

I definitely thought your song was not only a better song, but more appropriate for the feel of the video. Your's wins in my book. However, we should have never seen it.

Reitzas · 5th July 2009

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Originally Posted by ianvargo

Did I use the temp track as a basis for mine. Absolutely. It's the exact same tempo (114 bpm) I believe). And one of the reasons the director didn't like mine as much was that, "It's not fast enough". Urg.

Just watched both videos. Nice music on both, but what struck me is that your timing of the music is a little ahead of the timing in the video.

For example, starting at about 20 seconds- in if you look at the timing of your back-beat against the completion of the post-it images, yours hits a little too early in my opinion. The timing of the other persons music seems to align perfectly with the transitions in the video. This is what the director may have been trying to say but didn't know how to put it into words.

I watched yours first; so had I not been comparing, I probably wouldn't have been critical of the timing and just enjoyed the nice vibe you composed for this creative video. But in comparing the 2, this is what I felt.

Comparison is a bitch! Just my opinion.

David Reitzas : Mixer - Engineer - Producer

ianvargo · 6th July 2009

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Originally Posted by Fortman

You didn't do anything... Stop crying.

Wow. I worked on something for an extended period of time and contributed work (some that was used, and some that was scrapped) for this little video. I have the right to be upset that my efforts went unappreciated, and to look for support from my fellow audio engineers and such on this website.

Thank you for the most useless post this thread has seen so far. Thank You!

To the previous poster comparing the two...In the original version of the video, my music was synced up perfectly, but because the director kept changing the picture, (the version on youtube is about 15 seconds shorter than what I scored to.) My soundtrack became more and more out of sync, also a bit of a pain. I do see what your saying though. Thanks for viewing the both and giving me your opinion, that's what I wanted from this thread, to see some real input from guys who know what they're talking about. Not some guy abbreviating my talent and effort into simply...

"You didn't do anything, stop crying."

Everything ends up a fight on these boards.

narcoman · 8th July 2009

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Originally Posted by ianvargo

Not some guy abbreviating my talent and effort into simply...
s.

get used to it! It's how the industry works. Talent? that's not for you to say. Plus talent is ten a penny..... there are a lot of moderately talented people around!!! Hard work and being able to fit a job is the trick..... move on. Do your next job.

ianvargo · 9th July 2009

Hey I'm fine. In the 2 weeks since the whole ordeal, I premiered a film I did the sound for (got a great response.) and am working with children at a radio camp (which is tons of fun.) I'm great, was just a pissed pissed off about the film but it happens. Thanks for all the input though!

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2nd July 2009	#31
Led Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,728	Now for my Zen comment - If you keep doing this you will get better at dealing with it. I used to get so distraught over a track not working or me not winning a competetive submission. Nowdays I just laugh it off and move on. If you don't do that, eventually you stop putting too much of 'yourself' into the music, and become formulaic. You do this so it doesn't hurt when your music gets rejected, but it's a double edged sword because the bits of yourself you put into the music are what makes it special and unique to you, and what makes people want you to do the job. Now in our field it's really hard not to take it personally, because we create something form nothing, and it comes from within ourselves. So if they reject our creativity it feels like they are rejecting us personally. The angle that helped me out was a restuarant analogy - Even though I have my absolute favourites, I don't eat there every night. (this helps when your favourite clients go work with someone else). Also if I don't like a meal I get, it's usually because there's a spice in there I'm not keen on etc. It's just a matter of my tastes, it has nothing to do with the Chef personally. I don't think he's a loser (unless it's terrible) or hopeless at his job, and there are other people who think the same meal is fantastic. 90% of the game is mental. You have to not care too much, while at the same time caring enough....

2nd July 2009	#32
ianvargo Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 284 Thread Starter	I'll never stop caring. I still want to add to our artform. In the future, f**k it. I didn't get paid at all for this BTW, it was on my own time.

3rd July 2009	#35
ianvargo Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 284 Thread Starter	No I mean, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. F**k the director and us unprofessionalism. Next stop, demo reel.

9th July 2009	#40
ianvargo Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 284 Thread Starter	Hey I'm fine. In the 2 weeks since the whole ordeal, I premiered a film I did the sound for (got a great response.) and am working with children at a radio camp (which is tons of fun.) I'm great, was just a pissed pissed off about the film but it happens. Thanks for all the input though!