Women In Audio: Proceed With Caution...

[RTR]

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

Wow, you have some issues way beyond women in audio.

Good luck with that.

YA..I HAVE ISSUES...not the person needing attention because on low self esteem. " come on guy's ...please tell me I'm worthy" PATHETIC...you remind me of a guy that marries the first girl he kisses....

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by vonrichter

A lot of male/female stereotypes that people treat as gospel are merely self-reinforcing arbitrary cultural fashions. They are subject to evolution in myriad directions over time, and can be completely turned upside down depending on a given culture.

In 2009, it's about time we ditch the whole gender identification in areas where it's irrelevant.

(Obviously physiological differences exist between men/women, but we're not talking about basketball or something, we're talking about moving faders and using ears.)

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plus freeking one....thank you!

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[AWrestoration]

Originally Posted by Larry Mal

Guys... you've got to be cool. From what I can tell, the field of audio has been so hostile towards women that they simply stopped showing up for it. So now, when one does, y'all act a fool, and scare them right off again!

Yay Larry! Thanks for bringing some intelligence to a topic that makes too many folks irrational.

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by Zenith

I was searching for a thread dedicated to women in audio on this site, and I have yet to find one (even though there are plenty dedicated to engineers' bitching girlfriends/wives)...

Considering there is a nominal amount of anonymity on here, I am looking forward to some honest (and maybe painful) answers to this question:

Do you think women are as capable as men when it comes to engineering?

I am an instructor of audio engineering and music production at a fairly well known training facility. I love what I do and I am damn good at it - However, I have noticed that it takes me a little more time to earn the respect of my (mostly male) students as apposed to the other instructors. After they figure out that I am well versed in the art of recording, they sometimes hold me in higher esteem than my male coworkers. I've taught at least a thousand students and have witnessed this phenomenon over and over again... What gives fellas?

Keep Rocking,
- Zenith

To answer the first question: yes. And to get philosophical on it, the categorization of women, implying rather than men, is essentially baiting a stereotype. Regardless of physiognomical ideology, anyone is basically capable of anything. Even in the extreme case of a midget playing basketball, you just simply never know cause one of them tiny ****ers might surprise you with some give and go: In other words, even if in the off chance women aren't as capable on the whole, within the individual sphere there is absolutely no distinction.

For your second question, all I can say is that if you are an attractive woman many male students are going to see that before they see anything else. I had a rhetoric teacher in highschool who was a major hotty, and I definitely lost focus in that class ALOT. I also did really well in that class - I think my little crush was excellent motivation. Now, this pertains to class performance, not so much respect, although the two can sometimes be mistaken for one another. In the direct line of respect, I know when I meet a woman who is successful in this field, I generally think - wow, she must be really good to make it in this field. Cause women generally have to do a better job to get equally as far. The American zeitgeist is currently trying to "tap dat."

Anyway, the cellist in my band is a woman named Monica MacIntyre. She plays a cello like nobody's business. I mean one bad mutha****a. She only works with female engineers and very few select male engineers because male engineers will tell her how to play. Or if she says the sound of her cello is incorrect, male engineers will tell her that her hearing is wrong. Which is crazy, cause she's basically untouchable, and decidedly knows the sound of her own instrument. Again, we're just feeling through the outskirts of an antiquated paradigm, and it sucks donkey balls.

[jeremy.c.]

Originally Posted by Storyville

The American zeitgeist is currently trying to "tap dat."

I just have to derail this thread for a minute to give you props for using "zeitgeist" and "tap dat" in the same sentence and making it work perfectly.
nice job!

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by olivia_nb

I just have to derail this thread for a minute to give you props for using "zeitgeist" and "tap dat" in the same sentence and making it work perfectly.
nice job!

Thanks! Like I said, I was highly motivated in my rhetoric class...... by boobies.

[mikeg]

We need more women in all the tech industries.

Audio is a part time/hobby/for fun thing for me. I'm an EE for the day job and have worked with a few really good EE/ME women over the years. Just not enough of them.

There are differences between men in women; I used to work for a company making lawn care equipment. Having a woman in the engineering group was priceless. The differences in body shape affected how the product would go together; where to place the hands, center of gravity, weight, vibration, etc. During testing she always had comments as to changes that helped make the products successful. Men aren't the only ones doing lawn care.

I also worked in the fitness industry and the same applied there.

Sometimes having a different perspective from "us guys" counts.

[trashman]

There are more women employed in the USA than men.

I feel the premise is very sexist. Who knows why women aren't getting involved with this stuff? Why aren't more men wearing dresses? Who knows? Although we all kind of know why : p Probably the same ontology. Can it change? Sure. Will it? Probably.

This identity politics stuff really creates a negative vibe. What are the rules of the game? What is competition? Who get's a head start? Who got a head start? Why?

We all cared so much for the developing world about 15 years ago ... now they are surpassing us in the first. Who is being left behind now?

One age it's the fat people on top, the next it's the emaciated. Who knows why?

What's cool is your doing it. Some straight guys might think youre hot. Some may not. Some may notice your gender first, some may notice your ethnicity, some your class, some other your style (hipster, hip-hop etc)

I'm a gay post-op transexual ..... no, seriously. I live in the west village ; D

[Zenith]

I've gathered all of the information I need - Thank you everyone for your participation in this thread... Time to go mold young minds