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[Toro]

first of all sorry about my english skill they are not up to par somehow but hey.
New technology's available to us man, is going to be a lil while before we can all mix like pro's, but we all use smaller cars, HD cameras for a 100 bucks, Phones that send movies and carry huge files etc etc there's no coming back from that, we're going to mix better using laptops/phones, ten years from now mp3's are going to sound as good as anything, 10 five years a go plug ins were sh*t now they are as good as the real deal, if not better, my point? Mixing/music/art is going to get better dude it is better. I read Sufjan interview over at tape op, i found it extremely cool interesting refreshing like if he can, so can i.
My son is 10 years old he makes beats, this is what he got to say about my huge CD collection on the wall: Hey dad, those thing in the wall are those paintings ... oh wait .... nah nah they mp3's big mp3's right right ? ................... yeah son BIG mp3's or cd's !!

[Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Toro

10 five years a go plug ins were sh*t now they are as good as the real deal, if not better,

Was that the grape Kool-Aid® or the orange?

While some plug ins are better than others... and some eq plug-ins downright acceptable, dynamic range affecting plugins, while better, are still shit.

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by Toro

10 five years a go plug ins were sh*t now they are as good as the real deal, if not better, my point?

Originally Posted by Fletcher

Was that the grape Kool-Aid® or the orange?

Purple all the way.Jim Jones style

[Toro]

While some plug ins are better than others... and some eq plug-ins downright acceptable, dynamic range affecting plugins, while better, are still shit.[/QUOTE]


Well all i can say is MP3's are getting better, and one day we'll be able to hear all the magic coming from the heavens studios all the way down to my shitty head-phones.
I love plug ins, i can make something sound very decent, using 8 Bit sounds and tritone plug ins ......... Purple yeah man nothing wrong with a lil loose juice !

[maxpidge]

Originally Posted by Toro

While some plug ins are better than others... and some eq plug-ins downright acceptable, dynamic range affecting plugins, while better, are still shit.

Well all i can say is MP3's are getting better, and one day we'll be able to hear all the magic coming from the heavens studios all the way down to my shitty head-phones.
I love plug ins, i can make something sound very decent, using 8 Bit sounds and tritone plug ins ......... Purple yeah man nothing wrong with a lil loose juice ![/QUOTE]

mp3's are getting better??? i think you need to lay off the juice....

[Toro]

Originally Posted by maxpidge

Well all i can say is MP3's are getting better, and one day we'll be able to hear all the magic coming from the heavens studios all the way down to my shitty head-phones.
I love plug ins, i can make something sound very decent, using 8 Bit sounds and tritone plug ins ......... Purple yeah man nothing wrong with a lil loose juice !

mp3's are getting better??? i think you need to lay off the juice....[/QUOTE]

Not dude you're right.. developers are working to make mp3's sound worse day to day, thats their goal...... indeed

[RTR]

Originally Posted by Toro

mp3's are getting better??? i think you need to lay off the juice....

Not dude you're right.. developers are working to make mp3's sound worse day to day, thats their goal...... indeed[/QUOTE]

+1000...some people are just stuck in their ways (some times in others peoples ways)..some mp3's I have herd sound just as good as a major released cd!!

[Chaellus]

like stated lay off the freakin juice! you cant make mp3's better
anyways there not an acceptable medium for recording period...Wav is best...


Also i havent heard a plugin match hardware some of th best plugs are nice and are a godsend but apples and oranges.....dont get me started about compressor plugs what a joke

[RTR]

Originally Posted by Chaellus

like stated lay off the freakin juice! you cant make mp3's better
anyways there not an acceptable medium for recording period...Wav is best...


Also i havent heard a plugin match hardware some of th best plugs are nice and are a godsend but apples and oranges.....dont get me started about compressor plugs what a joke

Who fukin records mp3? no shit it's not a good idea..but I have herd good mp3s, dont try and tell me what I have or have not herd, ..how would ya like the juice jamed up ur ass...I dont swallow the juice big guy, but I know what I hear..so sorry you do not!!!

[Chaellus]

Originally Posted by RTR

Who fukin records mp3? no shit it's not a good idea..but I have herd good mp3s, dont try and tell me what I have or have not herd, ..how would ya like the juice jamed up ur ass...I dont swallow the juice big guy, but I know what I hear..so sorry you do not!!!

calm down man youve got a temper geesh...all im saying is MP3 sucks Period wheather at 128kbps or 320kpbs it sucks....the diffrence is unmistakable.....plugins are mehhhh but all that depends on the engineers skill set...

[SFTPH]

Originally Posted by RTR

Who fukin records mp3? no shit it's not a good idea..but I have herd good mp3s, dont try and tell me what I have or have not herd, ..how would ya like the juice jamed up ur ass...I dont swallow the juice big guy, but I know what I hear..so sorry you do not!!!

Just stop. If you are trying to prove your ignorance you are doing a great job.

[teo]

Originally Posted by maxpidge

mp3's are getting better??? i think you need to lay off the juice....

Oh come on now...192Kb/s mp3 properly encoded, random material (your average pop/rock song) is more often than not impossible to discern from 44.1/16 audio...at least to me, from my MBP Headphone out, through my Sennheiser HD-25...good enough for most applications, certainly for on the move listening...

Flame away now
Anybody wants to do an ABX test?

[teo]

Originally Posted by Chaellus

...all im saying is MP3 sucks Period wheather at 128kbps or 320kpbs it sucks....the diffrence is unmistakable.....

Sorry, just saw this comment...
Unmistakable...right...

[Kris]

Some people can hear better than others... It's just the way the cards are dealt.

[Chaellus]

Originally Posted by teo

Sorry, just saw this comment...
Unmistakable...right...

yes i can tell the diffrence between 320KBPS with good encoding over Wav and im not the only one... people didnt belive ,so they prepered a test for me....unlike other people who are offered to prove thier claim and dont, i did and adminsitrator of the test said i was right.... so yes i can hear the differnce but that doesnt matter because MP3's still suck just like in photography Jpegs suck to something like Tiff. Or RAW.

[Chaellus]

Originally Posted by Kris

Some people can hear better than others... It's just the way the cards are dealt.

true, and some people learn to hear things overtime... like say compression.... at first i didnt hear anything diffrent in the begining then as you work more on music....things come popping out at you..and you can tell right away..... but this has gotten far away from the topic at hand.....id have to say for me that engineering has not gone the way of pop music....i like to be creative as much as i can get away with in no time do ever look forward to audio surgery like comping edits..etc although now a days its expected i worry more on mic placement and matching stuff to the way i like....thats the creative aspect of it....of course everyone elses view is slighty differnt because as people we are creative in our own way......that to me is whats keeping the engineering spirit alive....sure there all this horrible music now but who's fault is that really? it aint the engineer he's just doing his job to its best.....if engineers had their way of what music should sound like...we'd be in audio heaven.

[Kris]

I was mainly being a jackass and for that I apologise.

The fact remains though that if you can't hear the difference between an mp3 and a 16/44.1 wav you should consider trying to figure out why...especially before advertising it on a supposedly professional audio engineering forum. Just a thought.

[Chaellus]

Originally Posted by Kris

I was mainly being a jackass and for that I apologise.

The fact remains though that if you can't hear the difference between an mp3 and a 16/44.1 wav you should consider trying to figure out why...especially before advertising it on a supposedly professional audio engineering forum. Just a thought.

?? i stated i could tell the diffrence night and day....unless your refering to the general public scracthes head.

[Kris]

I was referring to the joker(s) that imply that there is no difference.

[Chaellus]

Originally Posted by Kris

I was referring to the joker(s) that imply that there is no difference.

ok i got it...