I'm not a pirate

Silver Sonya · 4th July 2005

I am at the studio. I am working on a song that requires Recycle to chop up some loops, to load into Stylus as Rex files.

Everything is fine, except Recycle decided to treat me (a paying and registered user) like a criminal and ask me to "insert disc to prove purchase." But I left the disc at home!

I am at the studio, which is a 90 minute roundtrip drive from my house.

I learned that Propellerheads does this --- periodically and randomly, Reason and Recycle will ask you for your disc to prove you are the correct owner. This is Propellerheads idea of software protection. I guess they don't use iLok.

So now my whole session has drawn to a halt because of this paranoid nonsense.

I don't care what anybody says; if your self-protection against piracy involves penalizing and inconveniencing your legitimate customers tutt , you better figure out a new way to protect yourself. 'Cause this sucks and it makes me angry.

I have never stolen software in my life and I have suffered so much red tape and registration/authorization/password/verification gobbledygook. I feel like the guy who pulls up to the gas station after someone has run off without paying. All I want to do is pay for my gas and then, y'know, get my gas.

On my way home to get my installation disc...

dfegad Propellerheads
--- Chad

blackcom · 4th July 2005

Pay for the software, then download cracked versions from a P2P client and install them instead.

That is the RIHGT thing to do, morally...to yourself...get it?

Bob Olhsson · 4th July 2005

I've found the right thing to do is simply to always bring my authorizations with me exactly as I would a piece of hardware. The dongles are making this lots easier than it used to be.

Unfortunately there IS something worse than copy protection which is when a developer goes under. A few years later, your whole investment is useless.

De chromium cob · 4th July 2005

Avast! I can truly sympathize with ye. Ye know o' what ye speak, but nary a one them ungrateful rabble o' a scurvy crew o' engineers have mutinied and sent t' software aft for a refund! I suggest ye should smartly be puttin' on a eye patch, pickin' up a grog o' ale and set t' hoistin those group o' salty software dogs from t' nearest yardarm! ARRRRRRR!

µ¿ z3®ø™ · 4th July 2005

check for updates as well.
most of the later upgrades from propheads takes this complaint into consideration.
i think my reason 2.5 latest upgrade only required the library disc when i installed it.
SS, i'm feelin' it. time suckers are antithetical to productivity.

Ruudman · 12th July 2005

Mooderaatooooor?

ruudman

**toolskid** · 12th July 2005

yeah its a slight PITA, but I carry a small CD case with ALL my original discs in....to every session. Its the only way to cover yer ass!

cultureofgreed · 14th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcom

Pay for the software, then download cracked versions from a P2P client and install them instead.

That is the RIHGT thing to do, morally...to yourself...get it?

Heck, the warez stuff is sometimes more stable anyway. I have done this same thing with Reaktor after my USB dongle got chewed by my dog. I am a registered owner of Reaktor, but I run a warez version on my machine.

Gigatron · 21st July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by cultureofgreed

Heck, the warez stuff is sometimes more stable anyway. I have done this same thing with Reaktor after my USB dongle got chewed by my dog. I am a registered owner of Reaktor, but I run a warez version on my machine.

Warez is dumb... DUMB. Good luck with your more "stable" version. hahaha

cultureofgreed · 21st July 2005

Don't need luck, my version 3 of reaktor has run perfect for - has it been 2 years now? That dongle is long gone.

juicemaster1500 · 21st July 2005

I wish that 'pay for the software and run the warezed software' approach would work better, tried it once (with stuff I'd already paid for) and the whole setup went nuts and I had to reinstall Windows etc.

I'm convinced it's the dongles that sometimes crashes my computer.. can't live with them, can't live without them apparently..

Copy protection's a bitch. dfegad

kennyd03 · 21st July 2005

Hey, I feel your pain! I've had the exact same thing happen to me with Recyle at an inopportune moment. I wish those guys would have it in some conspicious place in the documentation so it would have at least not been a total surprise.

I personally wouldn't go with the suggested warez solution - you might be fine, but you could also be opening yourself to a world of hurt. Who knows who's been doing what to the code in the application.

-KD03

Deathangl13 · 4th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcom

Pay for the software, then download cracked versions from a P2P client and install them instead.

That is the RIHGT thing to do, morally...to yourself...get it?

Or just learn to crack...

jetplane666666 · 4th May 2009

I hate to say it, but this is the one instance where I agree with the posters advocating the use of cracks of Propellerheads software, but ONLY for registered users.

I purchased and installed Recycle, and learned how to use it. Then I few to a session in another city. When I had to slice a loop Recycle asked for the install disc, without any warning. A simple "You have 7 days in which to insert your original installer disc" message would have been nice, because I could have had someone fly the disc out to me. When I emailed Propellerheads about this (multiple times) they didn't even respond. They obviously don't care too much about people who use their software.

Also, I've read the manual cover to cover and it doesn't indicate the period of this cd insertion requirement. If I knew when it will happen I can program an iCal alarm, but it seems to be random. Has anyone else figured out how many days elapse between cd requests?

rhythmtech · 4th May 2009

personally ive found it useful to create an ISO image of all my prop'heads disks and store them on my back up drive, then if i ever get asked to insert the original (which is about once a year at most) i just mount the ISO image with daemon tools and its sorted.

this also works as a great back-up incase the disk ever gets damaged.

jeremy.c. · 5th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythmtech

personally ive found it useful to create an ISO image of all my prop'heads disks and store them on my back up drive, then if i ever get asked to insert the original (which is about once a year at most) i just mount the ISO image with daemon tools and its sorted.

this also works as a great back-up incase the disk ever gets damaged.

this is a good idea as I have used Reason 2.5 in the past for live shows and never gave time to the thought it might not work when I booted up because of a disc verification... scary!

Teej · 5th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigatron

Warez is dumb... DUMB. Good luck with your more "stable" version. hahaha

If by dumb you mean less annoying and easier to get up and running with than legitimate software, then you're correct.

Authorisations/copy-protection/dongles piss me off. There will always be pirated versions of software. Apple have the right idea with Logic 8. Serial number and that's it.

slaves666 · 5th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolskid

yeah its a slight PITA, but I carry a small CD case with ALL my original discs in....to every session. Its the only way to cover yer ass!

Great way to be sure, but if you ever lose that case, or it gets stolen.....you're REALLY screwed.

iluvatar · 5th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teej

If by dumb you mean less annoying and easier to get up and running with than legitimate software, then you're correct.

Seriously, authorisations/copy-protection/dongles piss me off. There will always be pirated versions of software and all the above just make legit users have a harder time. Apple have the right idea with Logic 8. Serial number and that's it! No dongle! No challenge/response! Put the number in and go.

That thar be my opinion.

FYI, if Logic 8 detects another instance of Logic on the same network running with the same S/N, it'll bitch at you and not start until you shut down the other one.

-Dan.

Teej · 6th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by iluvatar

FYI, if Logic 8 detects another instance of Logic on the same network running with the same S/N, it'll bitch at you and not start until you shut down the other one.

-Dan.

Seems fair.

4th July 2005	#1
Silver Sonya Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 6,978 Thread Starter	I'm not a pirate I am at the studio. I am working on a song that requires Recycle to chop up some loops, to load into Stylus as Rex files. Everything is fine, except Recycle decided to treat me (a paying and registered user) like a criminal and ask me to "insert disc to prove purchase." But I left the disc at home! I am at the studio, which is a 90 minute roundtrip drive from my house. I learned that Propellerheads does this --- periodically and randomly, Reason and Recycle will ask you for your disc to prove you are the correct owner. This is Propellerheads idea of software protection. I guess they don't use iLok. So now my whole session has drawn to a halt because of this paranoid nonsense. I don't care what anybody says; if your self-protection against piracy involves penalizing and inconveniencing your legitimate customers tutt , you better figure out a new way to protect yourself. 'Cause this sucks and it makes me angry. I have never stolen software in my life and I have suffered so much red tape and registration/authorization/password/verification gobbledygook. I feel like the guy who pulls up to the gas station after someone has run off without paying. All I want to do is pay for my gas and then, y'know, get my gas. On my way home to get my installation disc... dfegad Propellerheads --- Chad

4th July 2005	#3
Bob Olhsson Motown legend Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Songwriter Gulch, Nashville TN Posts: 10,638	I've found the right thing to do is simply to always bring my authorizations with me exactly as I would a piece of hardware. The dongles are making this lots easier than it used to be. Unfortunately there IS something worse than copy protection which is when a developer goes under. A few years later, your whole investment is useless. __________________ Bob's room 615 562-4346 Georgetown Masters 615 254-3233 Music Industry 2.0 Interview

4th July 2005	#4
De chromium cob Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,655	Pirate response- Avast! I can truly sympathize with ye. Ye know o' what ye speak, but nary a one them ungrateful rabble o' a scurvy crew o' engineers have mutinied and sent t' software aft for a refund! I suggest ye should smartly be puttin' on a eye patch, pickin' up a grog o' ale and set t' hoistin those group o' salty software dogs from t' nearest yardarm! ARRRRRRR! __________________ "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." Tolstoy Scott Benson Blue Ridge Mastering

12th July 2005	#7
toolskid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 2,731	yeah its a slight PITA, but I carry a small CD case with ALL my original discs in....to every session. Its the only way to cover yer ass! __________________ Emre Ramazanoglu http://www.emremusic.com the wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision the whole universe. The fool, however, will just lie down on some seaweed and roll around until he's completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go "Hey, I'm vine man"

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4th July 2005	#2
blackcom Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 960	Pay for the software, then download cracked versions from a P2P client and install them instead. That is the RIHGT thing to do, morally...to yourself...get it?

4th July 2005	#5
µ¿ z3®ø™ Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: t-dot Posts: 288	check for updates as well. most of the later upgrades from propheads takes this complaint into consideration. i think my reason 2.5 latest upgrade only required the library disc when i installed it. SS, i'm feelin' it. time suckers are antithetical to productivity.

12th July 2005	#6
Ruudman Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 3,079	Mooderaatooooor? ruudman

21st July 2005	#10
cultureofgreed Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Interzone Posts: 292	Don't need luck, my version 3 of reaktor has run perfect for - has it been 2 years now? That dongle is long gone.

21st July 2005	#11
juicemaster1500 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 524	I wish that 'pay for the software and run the warezed software' approach would work better, tried it once (with stuff I'd already paid for) and the whole setup went nuts and I had to reinstall Windows etc. I'm convinced it's the dongles that sometimes crashes my computer.. can't live with them, can't live without them apparently.. Copy protection's a bitch. dfegad

21st July 2005	#12
kennyd03 Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 252	Hey, I feel your pain! I've had the exact same thing happen to me with Recyle at an inopportune moment. I wish those guys would have it in some conspicious place in the documentation so it would have at least not been a total surprise. I personally wouldn't go with the suggested warez solution - you might be fine, but you could also be opening yourself to a world of hurt. Who knows who's been doing what to the code in the application. -KD03

4th May 2009	#14
jetplane666666 Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 156	I hate to say it, but this is the one instance where I agree with the posters advocating the use of cracks of Propellerheads software, but ONLY for registered users. I purchased and installed Recycle, and learned how to use it. Then I few to a session in another city. When I had to slice a loop Recycle asked for the install disc, without any warning. A simple "You have 7 days in which to insert your original installer disc" message would have been nice, because I could have had someone fly the disc out to me. When I emailed Propellerheads about this (multiple times) they didn't even respond. They obviously don't care too much about people who use their software. Also, I've read the manual cover to cover and it doesn't indicate the period of this cd insertion requirement. If I knew when it will happen I can program an iCal alarm, but it seems to be random. Has anyone else figured out how many days elapse between cd requests?

4th May 2009	#15
rhythmtech Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dublin , Ireland Posts: 1,918	personally ive found it useful to create an ISO image of all my prop'heads disks and store them on my back up drive, then if i ever get asked to insert the original (which is about once a year at most) i just mount the ISO image with daemon tools and its sorted. this also works as a great back-up incase the disk ever gets damaged.

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