Can you believe the nerve?

[superiorsound]

!!!!!!!!NYC'S HOTTEST STUDIO LOOKING FOR INTERNS!!!!!!!! (Chelsea)

Is it common for interns to be treated like this? I wouldnt reply to this if they paid 6figures. Shows how much class they have.dfegad

[MonoBrow]

Errm..no pics no nothing?No thx.I dont do backflips for anyone and i dont care how much platinum is stuck in his rear.

[steveschizoid]

I believe this sort of experience is considered a rite of passage.

[audiovisceral]

Originally Posted by steveschizoid

I believe this sort of experience is considered a rite of passage.

not anymore it ain't....

[whitepapagold]

I believe that post is BS... ANY studio Ive ever worked at had interns calling EVERY WEEK to try and get a job. If this studio was so hot, they wouldn't need an ad on GS...

And I mean even TINY commercial studios- people calling all the time...

Just the fact that they say HALF of ALL platinum records are worked on there is complete BS... No legit studio would say crap like that...

Or its some fleeb from a real studio trying to impress his boss...fuuck

[Bassmec]

Originally Posted by steveschizoid

I believe this sort of experience is considered a rite of passage.

I wonder if the studio specalises in Hip hop artists.
Still it should be easy enough to find as it probably has "Arbeit Macht Frei" over the entrance.

[wurly200]

Originally Posted by superiorsound

!!!!!!!!NYC'S HOTTEST STUDIO LOOKING FOR INTERNS!!!!!!!! (Chelsea)

Is it common for interns to be treated like this? I wouldnt reply to this if they paid 6figures. Shows how much class they have.dfegad

Sounds about right to me. Also, sounds like a hip hop/ r&b studio. Maybe a private one.

Owning a studio is usually not a profitable business. Being a runner in a large studio in NYC usually means minimum wage, long hours, no benefits, no days off, and no respect. Intern is usually the same but with no pay.

But, it is a job in a studio. This is also where you will learn more there than any school could teach you.

There are many more kids looking for a job in a studio than actual jobs. This has been the way for a long time and studios take advantage of it.

[wurly200]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

Errm..no pics no nothing?

Means they want to keep it private. No sign out front. No unwanted guest/fan looking for your artist. Low key.

Some artists like to go to a place with out the hassle.

The days of Hit Factory and Sony with big flags and signs out front were not the norm.

Does Avatar/Power Station have any of that? Nope.

If you have high-end clients, you want to keep them by offering them a comfortable, private place to work out of the spot-light.

[Outlaw Hans]

5 days a week no pay? ******.

[wurly200]

By the way, none of my comments mean that this studio is as cool as it says.

There is a lot of hype in the business too.

[MonoBrow]

I dont care...the ad is just bs.Nobody with a little selfrespect will bite for this...Why should i clean toilets?No money for personal todo that?Its laughable when i read stuff like that!

[wurly200]

Originally Posted by Outlaw Hans

5 days a week no pay? ******.

5 days? Haha. Funny. try 6 to 7.

It sucks but for every kid who gets the gig, there are 100 who didn't.

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by Bassmec

Still it should be easy enough to find as it probably has "Arbeit Macht Frei" over the entrance.

Lol!

The magic of the recording business has gone, and yes, so has that old rite of passage.


!!!!!!!!NYC'S HOTTEST STUDIO LOOKING FOR INTERNS!!!!!!!!


Oh wow - look it must be important, (so many exclamation marks) just see how it stands out!!!!!!!!!


"This is a non-paid internship".


If the studio is so f*ckin' professional pay the interns properly.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Tw*t!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MarkRB]

There's allot of great studios around there. I wouldn't dismiss it too quickly.

Although the 50% of all hits were recorded there may be a "little" optimistic.

The ad is a little brusque I'll agree, but they are all fairly good points.

Telling the applicant straight out to expect to never EVER get paid would probably count as being too honest.

Might be a good place to get some autographs?

[greyskull]

Originally Posted by Bassmec

I wonder if the studio specalises in Hip hop artists.
Still it should be easy enough to find as it probably has "Arbeit Macht Frei" over the entrance.

Ouch

[phoenixdriveaudi]

I, unlike most of you, agree with the post. An intern spot should be considered a huge oportunity & treated with the up most respect. It is VERY much a rite of passage that one should have to go thru. I was a unpaid intern for about a year & had the same rules applied to me as that post talked about. Those same rules apply to all interns at my place.

[confooshus]

Originally Posted by superiorsound

!!!!!!!!NYC'S HOTTEST STUDIO LOOKING FOR INTERNS!!!!!!!! (Chelsea)

Is it common for interns to be treated like this? I wouldnt reply to this if they paid 6figures. Shows how much class they have.dfegad

Are you guys serious? What in particular was so offensive to you? If I was just starting out, I'd do whatever it took to get that internship.

[audiovisceral]

Originally Posted by confooshus

Are you guys serious? What in particular was so offensive to you? If I was just starting out, I'd do whatever it took to get that internship.

i'd rather buy that samson drum mic kit in your sig and start recording friends in my basement. i'm not well suited to slave labor.

these days, there are different options for starting out ...

[MarkRB]

Originally Posted by audiovisceral

i'd rather buy that samson drum mic kit in your sig and start recording friends in my basement. i'm not well suited to slave labor.

these days, there are different options for starting out ...

The problem with this solution is you will really, really REALLY struggle to get beyond that level, or get good autographs.

[audiovisceral]

Originally Posted by MarkRB

or get good autographs.

darn.

(and how many interns these days will ever 'go anywhere'? success is now rare regardless. what does fetching drinks or cleaning toilets have to do with anything?)

[MarkRB]

Originally Posted by audiovisceral

darn.

(and how many interns these days will ever 'go anywhere'? success is now rare regardless. what does fetching drinks or cleaning toilets have to do with anything?)

It demonstrates a willingness to work.

If some kid is gonna get pissy and go home just because the toilet needed cleaning (someone's gotta do it?) then it's quite probable they aren't going to be able to handle a 30 hour session with a difficult artist without having a fit and tarnishing the entire reputation of the studio.

It's harsh, but they are the realities of working in a studio.

Bunch of soft handed lightweights.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by MarkRB

It demonstrates a willingness to work.

If some kid is gonna get pissy and go home just because the toilet needed cleaning (someone's gotta do it?) then it's quite probable they aren't going to be able to handle a 30 hour session with a difficult artist without having a fit and tarnishing the entire reputation of the studio.

It's harsh, but they are the realities of working in a studio.

Bunch of soft handed lightweights.

I would do it in a small studio without even mentioning it.
That studio claims to have an ssl and platinum recordings....and they have no cleaning person?..........cmon.

[confooshus]

Originally Posted by MarkRB

The problem with this solution is you will really, really REALLY struggle to get beyond that level, or get good autographs.

Exactly. That kind of exposure to the A-level is priceless.

And as far as "slave labor"... Again, what specifically in that post is so objectionable? Is it cleaning the toilets? Somebody's gotta do it, and it's gonna be whoever's lowest on the totem pole. That's you, INTERN! Or is it the idea of having to answer phones or be available when needed? Maybe you think you should be able to take whatever you want from the studio? Did that part bother you? WHAT IS IT?

Is it because there's no pay? What if the owner of that studio charged you $40k to and changed the name of his studio to Full Sail? Would that make it more acceptable to you?

You guys that feel like you should be treated like a prince from day 1, WAKE UP! You don't deserve anything, you're not entitled to anything! You have ZERO value until you prove otherwise.

[confooshus]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

I would do it in a small studio without even mentioning it.
That studio claims to have an ssl and platinum recordings....and they have no cleaning person?..........cmon.

You've got nothing to worry about. With that attitude, you'll never even get the chance to clean a toilet in a studio with platinum credits.

That reminds me... When I was growing up, I know my dad could've afforded to hire someone to cut our grass. But he made me do it! I still haven't forgiven him for that.

[ambiguity]

The multiple internship part is the only weird one to me. This is pretty much the spiel you'll get when you start interning at most studios, they just don't advertise it as loud.

It says expect to do everything... it doesn't say they don't have a cleaning person or someone answering the phones.

The good thing about this ad is the 5 days a week requirement, much much better than once or twice a week. The more often you go, the sooner you'll get to do some real work.

[psycho_monkey]

thing is, they state they want someone with all this experience, ie not just a willingness to learn - in otherwords, they want an experienced assistant - but they're not going to pay for it.

Unpaid intern, green and there to learn, fine. Actually assisting on a session, and thus adding value to the studio? No question , should be paid. As soon as you are useful to the studio, instead of a hindrance, they should be paying.

I have done the work experience thing, then runnering for little money, so I think I've paid my dues. But the idea of this post is very exploitative, even by industry standards.

That's before you get to the level of BS in the actual post.

[whitepapagold]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

That's before you get to the level of BS in the actual post.

Thank you!

I don't take issue with the slave aspect and anyone questioning that is NOT A REAL PROFESSIONAL... Thats how it works guys... 100% b*tch work. And if you think thats too much to ask, then good luck running sound at the local bar till your 50.

Its the "we are so awesome" aspect of the post that makes it ridiculous- not the work expectations. But as already pointed out- if you have all that experience, why the hell would you need an intern job?

Again, interns are a dime a dozen and you don't need to HYPE it like that to get any. The main studio I work at other than mine (for their big tracking room) has been around for 30 years but NOBODY knows its there. I often get," thats a recording studio????" from the locals. Its invisible. And we have major label clients and huge corporate accounts but I doubt anyone has heard of us in LA (we are in the OC). Point is, my mentor there has people bugging him for internships ALL THE TIME with ZERO advertisement for it... And he NEVER hypes the clientele...

Autographs... right... This OP is NOT the owner, operator, or head engineer of the studio, I guarantee... Especially because if your spot is cracking that hard, you wouldn't even deal with hiring interns- someone under you would... Remember an intern is NOT an assistant...

[superiorsound]

I own a studio I know it’s full of drama and tons of work with little to no profit. However if some idiot thinks because he’s worked with a couple stars he has the right to degrade another person that B.S. He can take his platinum plaques and tuck em. I would never treat an intern like that. Theirs rule to the business but I hate A** holez and this studio seems like it’s got one. I understand that they could have had a few interns that pulled some dirty moves but if you ask me they should be screening their people. Teaching somebody something is a blessing but how dare them act like their holy. background check/reference checks they work

[DontLetMeDrown]

Originally Posted by confooshus

Is it because there's no pay? What if the owner of that studio charged you $40k to and changed the name of his studio to Full Sail? Would that make it more acceptable to you?

You guys that feel like you should be treated like a prince from day 1, WAKE UP! You don't deserve anything, you're not entitled to anything! You have ZERO value until you prove otherwise.

Hilarious! Very true!

Originally Posted by confooshus

That reminds me... When I was growing up, I know my dad could've afforded to hire someone to cut our grass. But he made me do it! I still haven't forgiven him for that.

Ok, I almost fell out of my chair after that one. I agree completely. I work a lot out of my home studio. Guess who gets to clean the toilet after 5 dudes have been hanging out here all day? BTW, most big studios are struggling to stay alive nowadays so I doubt they'll be hiring a cleaning service anytime soon.

FYI, the intern usually gets paid when they bring new clients into the studio. That's something that EVERY up and coming engineer has to get good at. But you've gotta crawl before you can walk, so start scrubbing that toilet.

[superiorsound]

[quote=whitepapagold;3605456]Thank you!

I don't take issue with the slave aspect and anyone questioning that is NOT A REAL PROFESSIONAL... Thats how it works guys... 100% b*tch work. And if you think thats too much to ask, then good luck running sound at the local bar till your 50.quote]

No one has a problem with paying dues but slaving come on thats bannanas

Tell some of my clients im not a professional I let my mixing do the talking however I am not going to treat someone like a** when they are trying to learn. Bad business practices as I stated reference checks work.