Dave Pensado Forum WTF?

[T_R_S]

Why have there been no new questions posted on the forum since September 1???

[Bierce85]

I'm seeing questions posted yesterday..

Anyway, I don't have a lot of interest in Dave Pensado and I don't think a ton of people on here do either. I'm sure he's an extremely talented guy but I think the majority of the music he mixes is uninteresting mainstream and if the music ain't there, the mix doesn't matter. Hence the lack of interest.

Maybe I'm wrong.

-William

[joelpatterson]

The banner ad makes "Dave Pensado" look like kind of a cross between the later era, bearded Brian Wilson and Orson Welles.

[idlabs]

Ouch! You guys are a tough crowd. Dave is a pretty amazingly talented mixer and his resume proves it. So do his mixes. I'm assuming the forum is shut down until he is able to anwser the questions already posted (he's busy getting paid extremely well for mixing "uninteresting" music at the moment I would imagine). Just saying.

[Chapiro]

Originally Posted by Bierce85

I'm seeing questions posted yesterday..

Anyway, I don't have a lot of interest in Dave Pensado and I don't think a ton of people on here do either. I'm sure he's an extremely talented guy but I think the majority of the music he mixes is uninteresting mainstream and if the music ain't there, the mix doesn't matter. Hence the lack of interest.

Maybe I'm wrong.

-William

Man I hate this kind of comment. I think is direspectfull of a true pro working everyday mixing talented artists that chart top ten on the billboard charts constantly. I would love to hear your mixes for the interesting and talented musicians youve worked with. Or maybe you are just a punk ass kid who is a mediocre musician and a joke of a mixing engineer. Maybe youve never touched a professional mic or console in your life. Get a life and have some respect for people who have proven themselves over and over by their hard work. Listen to all styles of music and try and learn something from them. Just because he usually doesnt mix the crappy artsy piece of shit music you like doesnt mean his mixes doesnt matter.

[Chaellus]

seriously? its very mighty or very foolish to speak like that

[Jules]

Q & A forums are run with a moderated posts format. So right now there are a lot of questions for Dave held back in the queue. Dave has answered about 6 questions and in one apologized
for being slow responding due to a heavy work load.

As and when Dave starts to ramp up his posting rate I will let more questions through.

This is all pretty well explained in the 'read first' thread.

[davidwilson]

Originally Posted by Jules

Q & A forums are run with a moderated posts format. So right now there are a lot of questions for Dave held back in the queue. Dave has answered about 6 questions and in one apologized
for being slow responding due to a heavy work load.

As and when Dave starts to ramp up his posting rate I will let more questions through.

This is all pretty well explained in the 'read first' thread.

I'm sorry if this comes off as unappreciative but what's the point of having Dave on the forum if he is unable to sufficiently contribute?

Oh yeh I know there is a Waves giveaway. Dave apparently uses a lot of Waves plug ins also. That question was answered rather quickly.

But If your giving away plug ins each week does that mean if I posted my question last week that I can still win even though it hasn't made it to the board yet?





Damn I guess I'm out of the running now.

[joelpatterson]

You could get Dave to appear swirling a wine glass and saying, "I will answer no question before its time."

[jahala]

Originally Posted by davidwilson

I'm sorry if this comes off as unappreciative but what's the point of having Dave on the forum if he is unable to sufficiently contribute?

Why are you on this forum if all you contribute is a negative atmosphere? "Sufficiently contribute?". What have you SUFFICIENTLY contributed to this forum lately?... I'm not a contributor - I'm a consumer. I read 99% more than I write. And I think its awesome to have someone like Mr. Pensado around to be able to answer a few select questions, and answer with real-life professional experience. Rather than have a bunch of knowitalls answer the "same old questions" with the same old ignorant answers. Answers based on personal bias and hearsay rather than personal experience from a professional environment.

As for Bierce85's comment - I guess you haven't noticed - if you want to make a good living out of music these days you have to be able to appeal to a broad audience. Or be "mainstream", if you please. And that "uninteresting mainstream" is what sells these days. And believe it or not - much of it is actually great songwriting and musicianship. The music is absolutely there - Just not in the way or form you are used to.

Like Dave Pensado says in an interview:
"To be successful as a mixer, you have to be competitive. To sustain a career, you really have to grow and reinvent yourself. You have to love music so much that without knowing it, you search out the new things, and then you have to have an attitude that allows you to turn loose of your old ideas very quickly and easily."

Try something new for a change.

[davedarling]

Originally Posted by Bierce85

I'm seeing questions posted yesterday..

Anyway, I don't have a lot of interest in Dave Pensado and I don't think a ton of people on here do either. I'm sure he's an extremely talented guy but I think the majority of the music he mixes is uninteresting mainstream and if the music ain't there, the mix doesn't matter. Hence the lack of interest.

Maybe I'm wrong.

-William

man , this is sad.
I used to think that the coolest thing about internet music forums was the way younger recordists could get first hand knowledge from experienced guys. You want to know how to get a particular vocal sound on a particular record ? The engineer, or producer of that record might ANSWER YOU DIRECTLY. That shit is golden.
Now I'm starting to think that with all the information out there, and the whole "buy an M-box, and a laptop, and I'm a producer" mentality, some people think that they can pick and choose where they get their experience....or don't need it at all.
I'm a working pro, - most of the people I hang out with are working pros, and one common thread (IMO) is that we all have respect for anyone who has the talent , drive, work ethic, and balls to carve out a career in a very difficult business. I don't give a shit what kind of music they work on on - it's like saying that a Chinese cook can't cook because you don't like chinese food!

good luck with your music. DD

[Bierce85]

Originally Posted by davedarling

I don't give a shit what kind of music they work on on - it's like saying that a Chinese cook can't cook because you don't like chinese food!

That's funny, I clearly state in my post that "I'm sure he's an extremely talented guy" and now I'm being accused of saying the man can't mix because I don't like the artists he works for.

I said nothing about him as a mixer, but that the music I've heard that he mixed does nothing for me. Sorry if I don't enjoy listening to the black eyed peas or christina aguilera, but why should I? Cause it's mixed well? I don't think I'd be too far off in saying that most of the pioneers at this art form we all admire don't listen to mixes, they listen to music. And most of them admired musicians, not recording engineers.

Or maybe you are just a punk ass kid who is a mediocre musician and a joke of a mixing engineer. Maybe youve never touched a professional mic or console in your life. Get a life and have some respect for people who have proven themselves over and over by their hard work. Listen to all styles of music and try and learn something from them. Just because he usually doesnt mix the crappy artsy piece of shit music you like doesnt mean his mixes doesnt matter.

Wow, buddy. Did someone pee in your coffee this morning? Way to make a million assumptions of who I am based on three sentences I typed on the internet.

Now I'm starting to think that with all the information out there, and the whole "buy an M-box, and a laptop, and I'm a producer" mentality, some people think that they can pick and choose where they get their experience....or don't need it at all.

You're absolutely right, but that's 100% NOT how I think. If you care enough to let me prove myself here's a link to a blog I wrote on myspace about that very topic.


Anyway, I'd just like to apologize to anyone I may of offended. Like I said before I'm sure Dave Pensado is an immense talent but I don't buy/listen to music because of who mixed it. I really wish I did cause I'd probably be a better mixer for it but that's just not how I work. My comment was based on the knowledge that a big portion of the people on this board do their own thing independently and don't have a ton of interest in how things are being done in high budget, major label productions. That's not to say all of it is bad, but there's so much great music out there and so many ways to find it, top 40 charts just aren't one of the places I look.

That said, If I had the pleasure to watch dave work I would take notes, remember everything he did and ask questions every chance I got. I have mounds of respect for anyone with the incredibly rare skill set, sensibility and perseverance it takes to make a career in the studio biz. Please don't label me as some ignorant teenager with an MBox. I'm not.

-William

[ONDRAY]

I posted and it never actually made it on the board, not sure why, couldn't be bothered to follow through.

EDIT: nevermind, just read Jules post above. . . Get on it Dave!

[heyman]

"Or maybe you are just a punk ass kid who is a mediocre musician and a joke of a mixing engineer. Maybe youve never touched a professional mic or console in your life. Get a life and have some respect for people who have proven themselves over and over by their hard work. Listen to all styles of music and try and learn something from them. Just because he usually doesnt mix the crappy artsy piece of shit music you like doesnt mean his mixes doesnt matter. "



I met William (Bierce85) the other night.. We hung out and talked for about 2 hours at my house..

He is defintely not a Punk Ass kid.

He is passionate and I got the feeling from talking with him that all he wants to do is make anything that he touches, that much better.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand..

Dave Pensado..

[Geert van den Berg]

Originally Posted by davidwilson

I'm sorry if this comes off as unappreciative but what's the point of having Dave on the forum if he is unable to sufficiently contribute?

Offcourse this is not how it has been planned, unfortunately it's how it turns out. Dave has given an explanation and I am sure he and Jules will work something out, maybe extend the period, or a return at another period.

The rest of GS is still the same...

Discussing this is actually quite senseless, we should be happy that someone is willing to give up some of his time to be a guest mod. (I don't know where some of you find the time to post so frequently...)

[Colorblind]

Originally Posted by joelpatterson

The banner ad makes "Dave Pensado" look like kind of a cross between the later era, bearded Brian Wilson and Orson Welles.

a little bit Bill Hicks, too.

C

[davidwilson]

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

Offcourse this is not how it has been planned, unfortunately it's how it turns out. Dave has given an explanation and I am sure he and Jules will work something out, maybe extend the period, or a return at another period.

The rest of GS is still the same...

Discussing this is actually quite senseless, we should be happy that someone is willing to give up some of his time to be a guest mod. (I don't know where some of you find the time to post so frequently...)

Your right. Time is a precious resource for some. This exactly why I have made this comment. I guess the cynic in me is alluding to the fact that this is nothing but a Waves promotional exercise.

While it's fantastic for Dave to make the commitment It is obvious that it is a bourdon on his time and maybe he is fullfilling a comercial arrangement with Waves.

Then again maybe he's just a really nice bloke who has overcommitted.

Hopfuly it's the latter.

[Oldone]

Go take a walk, breath some fresh air, learn to value the gifts of others. Dave honors us all by taking the time out of his day to pass along some of his experiences. If you truly love the craft, you will learn to appreciate anyone who takes the time to improve you.

[davedarling]

Originally Posted by Oldone

Go take a walk, breath some fresh air, learn to value the gifts of others. Dave honors us all by taking the time out of his day to pass along some of his experiences. If you truly love the craft, you will learn to appreciate anyone who takes the time to improve you.

DD

[T_R_S]

OK I am not supposed to complain but Jules must be holding back a ton of questions in the forum. I asked 3 what I would feel good questions I have seen only about 20 posts in the forum WTF? OK I'll expect an answer Jules at AES
I am sure there are good reasons just giving you a hard time ...

[donsolo]

So here's my take

Just because you don't like the song doesn't mean you shouldn't study it.

Seriously, there is a LOT to learn from a BEP record and from the whole realm of pop music in general. Synth sounds, compression techniques, odd comping, it's all there.

And if you can't separate good engineering from an aesthetic you like, you need to make sure you're calling yourself a musician, not an engineer.

Engineering is an art unto itself. Just because I don't like Klimpt's color scheme doesn't mean I shouldn't study it to learn from it.

And yea, Dave is one of those guys you can learn a LOT from just by listening to music you don't like.

[SK1]

First off, Pensado is the man. Dude is mixing 220+ songs a year easy. WTF have you mixed this year? If you don't think you could learn something from a dude like that please STFU, so maybe some of the other community members could pick up something useful. How many "real world pros" do we need to scare away from gearslutz until you f'ing haters get it. Homeboy could give real world advice on anything from booking enterprise, renting equipment, business strategy and a ton of other stuff, even if you don't like his mixing aesthetic.

Negativity is doing nothing for this forum. Not to mention that 99% of the worst offenders on this forum would get their asses wooped talking bs in public, but can hide behind the internet and talk sheet. What abunchofpussies.

AND JULES !!!! Post my question on the Pensado forum!! I try to be a good member on gearslutz and I want in. So the fool who posted how do you eq snare??? got in before my question??? Let me guess ..... it depends on the snare, the room and the song??? Pretty good guess RIGHT???

Hey that felt pretty good. This is the moan zone.

Post my question on the Pensado forum!!

[Phase-Ish]

not to mention if you only listen to One style of music....

You will never grow as an engineer And mixing if you don't listen
to a mainstream level you don't know demands and how its supposed to sound.

and Big Name Engineers REFERENCE ALBUMS all the time.. to mold there own sound
Whether it be rap, Rock,jazz, Blues w/e.

I intern at a studio with a huge Big name in the industry
and all i get to do is hear something he has done while I am making coffee
and I learn from that everyday

You learn everyday by listening. You should listen more

Thanx Jules for having dave answer on the forum
even if it was only 1 or 2 questions

Means the world 2 all who care.

[Bierce85]

Guys, I get it. My post sucked. I'm actually kinda glad though. It's inspired me to be a little more open to improving myself.

[ssl_ambition]

To all those who complaining about the Pensado section. Maybe you don`t like to get tips from certain engineers. It`s your own decision. Some like and enjoy it very much (like me). Even if you don`t like it others maybe do. Nobody told you to read it but that`s why it`s called a forum.

btw. Dave makes 10k a mix, but he takes the time to answer student questions via email or here on GS. I think it`s great what he does.

[donsolo]

Yeah man, A+ to Dave.

The BEP mixes are great.