Timbaland Sampling Moan

[jimmydeluxe]

I searched this board, and didn't see anything on this one, sorry if it's old news. I did find the old commodore 64/nelly f. ripoff on youtube that was pretty blatant.

The middle one here is iffy, I think, but the first and last are obvious. It makes me feel better knowing all those ridiculous hits aren't totally original!

BeatCreators - Industry News for Music Producers - Timbaland Ripps Off Arabic Music Please Believe It

[P3anut]

a alot of producer's do this its call sampling (or remaking) adding your touch to the sound I''ve seen a video about this on youtube.
Him and storch bites the same or if not similar style. (AT the end of the day it sells millions) and a new hit for the clubs.

[Exmun]

The only critical question is whether the label is paying royalties to the authors of the original music. Dolla dolla bill yall.

[Led]

Already been discussed to death, had a war over it, made a movie of it and awaiting the television series of the same name.
See here :
Timbaland + Nelly Furtado's tune "Wait For You": A rip off from a Turkish folk song?

now counting the minutes till this thread gets locked......

[Kyle S]

id have to reach out and touch a motherfker

[jimmydeluxe]

Before people start crying too hard, my orig. post is out of interest (I'm a timfan), that's all, and there are 3 songs, not one, in question in the video. As I said, I searched first.

I'm very familiar with sampling--I was in a band that is signed and we spent thousands clearing samples in the recordings, though we played instruments live as well. I think it's interesting alot of times--when a person does something cool with it, but I choose not to, simply because I play instruments, have lots of ideas, and don't feel the need to give someone else money or use their ideas directly.

Of course, if you don't pay to license a sample, I guess you don't have to worry about that until you're in court!

We all borrow, it's just interesting when, instead of hearing someone talk about their influences, you can hear the EXACT same music on an earlier recording, maybe just a little slower.

[Kyle S]

i dont have anything against sampling but i think the first and last are just too obvious.

someone that grew up listening to arabic folk music would catch it right away. now its "big pimpin"? big what?

[lospat123]

i think most people are missing the point here my respect for timbo is abit down due to seeing tons more of these so called sampled beats.... what u guys have to get clear here is that timbo does not sample in my mind, what he does is take a loop and add drums to it and slow it down or speed it up. he doesnt cut it up or change it any bit... that to me is a new name i would like to call "looping" cause a sample to me is a litttle chunk like 1 or 2 seconds long, not a whole darn loop no ways... same thing pollow da don did with usher if u call that sampling ur either on drugs or u dont know what u talking about. so lets make it clear here

1. sampling = a little sample of a song , short, if u play it the whole time over and over it will just sound crap just like a kick u play over and over in winamp.cause its so short hence its not a loop ... if u know music u will know that mostly everything is based around loops.
2. loop = something that u can play over and over again without ever having to stop it, it can go on forever... cause it starts at one end and flows into the start again without it sounding out of place...
get it now? if not ur death and blind.

sorry for gettin abit heated but some guys dont understand what sampling is to me atleast.

oh and for those who rip kanye for rippin off daft punk. if u have not seen this lol
YouTube - Where Daft Punk got their samples from <

[HoPMiX]

Originally Posted by Led

Already been discussed to death, had a war over it, made a movie of it and awaiting the television series of the same name.
See here :
Timbaland + Nelly Furtado's tune "Wait For You": A rip off from a Turkish folk song?

now counting the minutes till this thread gets locked......

this thread is a lot like what your talking about. already been done...


ps. i love sampling

[halfguard]

your not exactly coming off the mouintains with tablets are you?????

[The Beatsmith]

timbo has done some dodgy stuff imho, but this is just called 'sampling'. i personally don't sample anymore but you DO realise this is the hiphop forum, right?

if the samples weren't cleared, or they weren't claimed to be samples (ie he said he composed it all himself) then that's another thing.

[Joemamma]

Those beats are dope though! That's when I still liked Timbo!

[MarkJ]

more like tim likes arabic music to be like yeah, thats hot enough to put my name on the remake hah

[Left Headphone]

talk about beating a dead horse...
Stop the hate... make some music...

[phillysoulman]

Regarding sampling and its lucrative benefits, one of my colleagues recently collected a cool $50,000(plus resids) for a sample Mariah Carey used on her latest cd.

The sample is from a little known song called "Love Is You" by Carol Williams(Salsoul)

[terrytee]

**** me i hope Barish hasn't read this one.

[Tibbon]

What I dislike about this asshat Timbo is this:

1. He makes millions on this stuff, and yet refuses to pay anyone even minimal amounts.
2. His attitude surround it has always been one of a complete dick. With the C64 thing he made some statements that they'd have to come to the US and try to sue him... saying that he was "king" and that he couldn't be brought down. What ****ing arrogance.
3. He doesn't participate in anything community oriented. This is a big make/break thing for me in whether I like and respect people quite often. He doesn't post anywhere online, he makes himself inaccessible. Other producers, engineers, etc make themselves available. George Massenburg has sold more CDs and he is easy to contact online. Butch Vig was posting here the other day (Nevermind sold more copies than anything that Timbo will ever make). He hasn't appeared in TapeOp, he just sits around having his "Ghost Producers" do shit for him and makes himself inaccessible.

Here's the thing, he could work-around much of this by just recording musicians playing something similar but not exactly the same. The chance for suit/complaint would be almost zero. But he doesn't want to pay for studio musicians. Dre records lots of instruments in the studio, so don't start crying, "But hip-hop is only about sampling!"

[dave310]

I don't mind it as long as it's done with respect. and you have to make it your own

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by dave310

I don't mind it as long as it's done with respect. and you have to make it your own

I don't think most people would mind much. Fairness and respect is all that matters and Timbo has none for anyone.

[CuzCutz]

Timba's getting married right here on the tiny island of Aruba June 22nd.

The local paper expect an all star turnout, (Jay-Z, Madonna, etc.)... I'll be there

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by CuzCutz

Timba's getting married right here on the tiny island of Aruba June 22nd.

The local paper expect an all star turnout, (Jay-Z, Madonna, etc.)... I'll be there

Celebrity wedding!!! I'll be at the divorce proceedings!

[Chaellus]

[Kyle S]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

What I dislike about this asshat Timbo is this:

1. He makes millions on this stuff, and yet refuses to pay anyone even minimal amounts.
2. His attitude surround it has always been one of a complete dick. With the C64 thing he made some statements that they'd have to come to the US and try to sue him... saying that he was "king" and that he couldn't be brought down. What ****ing arrogance.
3. He doesn't participate in anything community oriented. This is a big make/break thing for me in whether I like and respect people quite often. He doesn't post anywhere online, he makes himself inaccessible. Other producers, engineers, etc make themselves available. George Massenburg has sold more CDs and he is easy to contact online. Butch Vig was posting here the other day (Nevermind sold more copies than anything that Timbo will ever make). He hasn't appeared in TapeOp, he just sits around having his "Ghost Producers" do shit for him and makes himself inaccessible.

Here's the thing, he could work-around much of this by just recording musicians playing something similar but not exactly the same. The chance for suit/complaint would be almost zero. But he doesn't want to pay for studio musicians. Dre records lots of instruments in the studio, so don't start crying, "But hip-hop is only about sampling!"

+1

i dont care for his big headed ass. i dont really like him anyway but of the video ive seen of him, its almost like he thinks hes some wizard of audio. You just cant say that if youve got a ton of employees in my opinion. Your just a fat face on a multi-million dollar goldmining scheme. And his attitude fuels his status even further cause people like that kind of shit.

i hope he 'loops' someone and threatens them with that "come to the us shit" and they come over here and **** him up.

it would be one thing if he wasnt making millions upon millions upon millions. i think he deserves to lose a big chunk of it.

[CuzCutz]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

Celebrity wedding!!! I'll be at the divorce proceedings!

OK I'll see ya there aug. 22nd

[Lori]

what about that song "beautiful girl", i think Akon helped produce that...i could be wrong.... using the stand by me song.

[GILFOIL]

YouTube - Hip-Hop Beats, Is Timbaland A Thief? FINAL VERDICT !


honestly, he straight up JACKED those songs. theres nothing sampled about them. they're basically replayed with different sounds almost note for note.

and everybodys always on this "producers sample all the time" shit.

**** off.

even if you can come up with some kind of lame argument that what he did was in fact sampling,

heres the bottom ****ing line. (and if you disagree, you shouldn't be in the music business - especially if YOU expect to ever make ANYTHING on any of your own music)
IF YOU SAMPLE SOMEONES TUNES AND YOU MAKE AS MUCH AS TIMBALAND DOES OFF THE PRODUCT, PAY YOUR ****ING ROYALTIES AND GIVE THEM THE ****ING CREDIT THEY DESERVE.
not some ****in weak ass excuse like "oh i don't know what's public domain and what isn't" or "oh i couldn't find the credit listing"
thats it.

timbalands shit aint even that good anyway, whatever his beats knock in the club on big systems. but so do many other producers. and as far as his lyrics go. whatever. nothing special.

i hear alot of people say he's one of the best producers of all time.

bah
timbalames arrogance

my2cents.

[Tibbon]

First of all, George Martin is the best producer of all time. Most albums sold, most #1 hits, and honed the best and most influential musical talent that the world has seen since Bach and Beethoven. The Funk Brothers weren't producers, but were perhaps some of the few people up there for sheer amount of constant influence on an artists sound and creating a lasting impression.

Timba doesn't even stand close to George Martin so let's remove him from the table on that conversation.

GILFOIL- I agree 100%. If Timba has that many people working for him, couldn't someone check where they got the stuff? Have an intern documenting the sessions (isn't that what they are for?!?!?!). Seriously, if you're going to sample and make it big... pay your ****ing royalties.

[sevendaysoff]

yeah this is far from sampling. hes replaying the parts almsot exactly. not even an interpolation. he should have just sampled them and gave credit where credit is due. sampling a vital part of hiphop, but give credit where credit is due. its one thing to say you sample and give credit, its another thing to take samples, replay them exactly and call them your own simply because you replayed them.

this is timbaland trying to be a cheapskate. thats all. nothing noble or true to hiphop form about it.