Neumann U67 Reissue - Is it TRUE?

[kellyd]

Aaron, here's the quote.

I will point out again to you, that by using the capsule and the grill design...it will have the "typical sound" of a U67

Which part of "will have the typical sound of a U67" doesn't say sounds like a U67.
My earlier post was my opinion based on what you posted.

As per all your Neumann naysaying bretheren you sir have also mis-quoted me. Please if you are going to try and repeat what I said, do it correctly. I said with that grill design ands capsule it will have a similar sound just by the nature of the design.

Actually you might want to try repeating yourself correctly. First you said typical now you're saying similar. Shall we go with "sort of" next?

Of course you then post a quote where I never said how bad Neumann mics were in the present but claim I did.
Please if you're going to try and repeat what I said, do it correctly. Here's what I said.

Neumann is duping this new market. Indviduals who heard of great mics but have no experience with them and believe as long as the same company makes the mic and says so, it is so. They can get that magic at a price they can afford. Not quite.

Didn't say the mics were bad just not like the magic the older mics had. Oh well.

[malice]

Originally Posted by John Willett

An RF condenser mic. is inherently balanced.

An AF condenser mic. is inherently unbalanced.

meanwhile, quickly between to distorted takes, John ...

Lemme quote myself, so that you don't miss the question :

do tell us what transformless LDC microphone designed for vocal are considered as a standart and to be compared to the top microphones widely used in professional studios for that purpose.

I'm waiting

You pal,

malice

[rghose]

Originally Posted by studio1117

Please, I've been recording for over 20 years and selling Neumann for less than 6 months. Get the phuck outta here. I didn't buy all my Neumanns after I became a dealer. Wow, heaven forbid that a guy who sells a top quality product from a top company might actually like and use the products.
I think the point has been proven in here. The people with real world knowledge and experience have spoken and backed up the reasoning with our statements of facts and the kids have all blasted off at the mouth with typical internet BS and empty statements.

Dude, I've been nothing but civil to you throughout all this. I've never "blasted off at the mouth" or given "empty statements". I've only stated facts and have never said anything bad about the sound of the microphone since I obviously haven't heard it. All I've stated was that I have doubts that a "special circuit" will sound like a tube U67. Lets hope Neumann proves me wrong.

For the record, I've used many Neumann microphones on hundreds of professional recordings...both old and new...tube and TLM. Does that count for "real world knowledge" and "experience"? Or am I still a "kid"?

I don't really agree with your views but have never objected to you stating them. Yet you feel the need to respond with profanity and contempt. From now on I will refrain from feeding the troll. Good luck!

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by studio1117

Spoken like a real professional. I leave my statement open to you...please post your resume for all to enjoy.
Oh the overwelming majority. It's like you and 2 other loudmouths.

Ok, now we are nothing but loudmouths? You really are something. If I recall, weren't you actually a realtor before you became a gearpimp? Housepimp gives up to become gearpimp? How impressive.

[malice]

"But meanwhile, do tell us what transformless LDC microphone designed for vocal are considered as a standart and to be compared to the top microphones widely used in professional studios for that purpose."


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Gotta get back to that session, I think it's gonna be very long to get an answer ...


LMFBO


malice

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by malice

"But meanwhile, do tell us what transformless LDC microphone designed for vocal are considered as a standart and to be compared to the top microphones widely used in professional studios for that purpose."

I don't need to answer this question because it does not contradict anything I said.

LDCs / tubes / transformers give distortion and colour that many people like. It does not change the fact that the colour is a distortion of the original, even if you like it.

And if I say that many people like the TLM 103, TLM 49, TLM 170, TLM 193, etc. you, no doubt, will list twice as many that don't.

I don't care - I have said several times that the right mic. to use is the one that does the job you want. I'm not here to have a fight, just to bring a voice of reason.

And I have heard a vocalist who said that the D-01 is the best vocal mic. he has ever used.

The right mic. to use is the one that does the job you want, whatever it is - it's just a matter of taste.

I record classical music and want clean uncoloured mics. and that's what I have in my collection - in excess of $50,000 worth at the last count.

That's all.

[Empty Planet]

Originally Posted by studio1117

Please state your vast education and experience for all to admire please. ..

Fine! I'll bow in humble submission to the manly alpha corsair from Salinas, Kansas. Let's cut to the chase and just grant that the vast experience you've accumulated blows my few, pitiful, hang-dog credits completely out of the water. I'll go there with you!

Tell me...how on earth could that possibly make your patently erroneous statements regarding microphone design come true?

[malice]

Originally Posted by John Willett

I don't need to answer this question because it does not contradict anything I said.

You were clearly talking out of your ass, so I do guess the above sentence makes sense.

LDCs / tubes / transformers give distortion and colour that many people like. It does not change the fact that the colour is a distortion of the original, even if you like it.

And if I say that many people like the TLM 103, TLM 49, TLM 170, TLM 193, etc. you, no doubt, will list twice as many that don't.

Your team :

TLM103
TLM49
TLM170
TLM193
D-01

Mine (I must have forgot 2 dozen of them, but I had a long day ...

ELam251
ELUX251
M269c
U67
C12
Brauner VM1 KHE
Sony C800g
U47vf14
M49
Sony C27a
Sony C27b
U47fet
U87
Horsh RM2J
Soundelux E89
Soundelux U195
Soundelux E47
Brauner Valvet
Brauner Phantom C
Brauner Phantom V
Brauner VM1
Brauner VMH
Microtech geffell UM900
Brauner VMX
Geffel UM92
Manley Gold Reference
Inner Tube MM2000


I can go indefinitly like that, how about you ?

I don't care - I have said several times that the right mic. to use is the one that does the job you want. I'm not here to have a fight, just to bring a voice of reason.

The voice of reason and basic common sense is to agnowledge now that wether you like it or not, saying that transformer LDCs should be ditched is beyond idiotic.

And I have heard a vocalist who said that the D-01 is the best vocal mic. he has ever used.

I have heard others that think the SM57 is the best vocal mike. What the hell does it mean ????

The right mic. to use is the one that does the job you want, whatever it is - it's just a matter of taste.

You are the one that said we should ditch transformer designed mikes because they suck, and that include a non exhaustive list I made few lines above of the absolutly hall of fame extraordinary LDC ever made

You are the one that is narrow minded, not me.

I never said you should throw your TLMs to the bin.

TLMs are usefull (I think apart from the 49, I have them all actually). They just aren't the best vocal mikes I could think of. But feel free to prefer them over an M49 or a 269c if you like.

I record classical music and want clean uncoloured mics. and that's what I have in my collection - in excess of $50,000 worth at the last count.

Good for you then, Why do you waste your time talking nonsense on the internet then ?

You must have an uncoloured DPA / Milenia vocal chain track to record, right ?

This must be the thread of the month, glad I managed to read it before going to bed

LMFbO

malice

[Winey]

Studio.
No offense, but this is why you were quickly brushed off in the PSW thread.
You are a Neumann dealer who profits from sales of the discussed product.
You come across as a dealer desperately trying to protect your potential profit.

The thought of the TLM67's transformerless design having anything to do with pushing the boundaries of modern microphone design is laughable.
It's clearly designed to cut costs, yet still convince folks they are getting something that sounds just like a U67.

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by studio1117

John,
I appreciate your expert posts in these forums and appreciate your excellent technical knowledge, please don't take the bait as I did with this lot.
Trying to talk anything into these types of people is an effort in futility. If they understood or actually listened to what you were saying they could expand their horizons far beyond the obvious limitations in which they currently reside.

Thanks Aaron - I think I agree with you. They are not actually reading what I said at all - or so it seems.

Originally Posted by studio1117

While I find complete usefulness in using transformers to color my music, I'd never make such a dumb ass statement like "totally unusable for vocals" or "transformers are always better on voices" I use both transformer and transformerles mics all the time with great success. I guess unlike the others, I don't want to make the kind of statements they make that will no doubt come back to haunt them as their experience in recording...and life grows.

Exactly - just what I was trying to say.

I think I will ignore this thread from now on

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by Winey

The thought of the TLM67's transformerless design having anything to do with pushing the boundaries of modern microphone design is laughable.
It's clearly designed to cut costs, yet still convince folks they are getting something that sounds just like a U67.

What utter twaddle - I cannot believe what some people are writing - I'm going.

[TheMarqueeYears]

Originally Posted by studio1117

Still waiting...... I love these jack off's you call them out they come up empty handed. Try to insult my town, me... go on. Do all you can to draw the attention away from the fact that not a single negative poster has done a thing to back up their vague statements. Also, I've noticed most have no personal information available to see who we are "dealing" with.
If you all hate the new Neumann mics so bad, why the hell are you in here in the first place. Let the real people who want to discuss this new mic discuss it, we've heard all you guy's crap, now step up to the plate or get the hell outta here. If you want Neumann to build the old mics so bad...tell them, don't just blast off in here. Email them, call them...do whatever you can to make it happen. I'd be happy to sell them, but like everybody else has said, you'ld just find something new to fault them for.
Is anybody moderating this place?

This is total BS.

Right - here you go fella. TLM series mics belong to the same mass produced market as Alesis Multimix mixers - M Audio speakers and soundcards etc etc etc

Retailers sell TLM series mics at all the standard "walk in of the street" music shops around the world for people who like to record music and have a set budget with which to acheive that goal.

With that in mind TLM series mics achieve their goal well, they have good quality capsules and functional electronics.

However this is Gearslutz, the folks around here are into high end gear, the best of the best, esoteric boutique gear, made to produce a sound not fit a budget.

Do you think I parted with $6000 for a Wunder CM7 coz I'm a "jack off" who has been ripped off, coz a TLM67/49 could of got me there for $1500 - that my freind is BS.

TLM mics get a job done at a price BUT DON'T hang with the best, and I know that you know they don't!

If I was a retailer selling Neumann mics than I'd be praying that they were going to hand me a U67 re-issue, built and sounding identical to the original, that way you'd have everyone on these boards excited about it and the pro's might actually start buying Neumanns again.

Senny are selling lot's of mics to lot's of people they just don't waste time posting on these boards, they're busy recording their mates in their garages and bedrooms - nothing wrong with that.

Oh and by the way - you don't need a track record to know the difference between a TLM series mic and a Wunder CM7, Wagner 47 or Soundulex 251, you just need a pair of ears!

Peace

TMY

[kosmokrator]

hmm. Having worked 6 years as engineer in a big berlin-based Studio with UM 57, U67, U77, U87(old ones), SM69 and so on, I think I can say I know these mics quite well.
What I don't get in this thread is the general bashing of transformerless designs. Did someone of you guys ever get hands on an U77? No tubes, no transformers, and one of the best sounding vocal mics I've ever heard.

So don't judge transformerless/tubeless designs just by experiences with TLM103 / TLM170. Or by repeating statements from the internet.

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by TheMarqueeYears

the pro's might actually start buying Neumanns again.

You give too much credit to what's said on forums . The pros continue to buy (new) Neumann mics .

M149 and M150 have nothing to envy to the crop of copies .

Giving an example of a mike being beat on one particular shootout is not an opinion .

Make your own . Don't follow the herd .

[mwagener]

Can I please see a hands up of all people who have actually used a TLM 67 and maybe even compared it to a classic U67 ?

[Empty Planet]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Can I please see a hands up of all people who have actually used a TLM 67 and maybe even compared it to a classic U67 ?

Spoilsport.

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by Volodia

You give too much credit to what's said on forums . The pros continue to buy (new) Neumann mics .

M149 and M150 have nothing to envy to the crop of copies .

Well I have owned an M149 and I was pretty underwhelmed, especially for the price. And I thought the switches and overall microphone had a pretty cheap feel to them, for a microphone I paid almost 3 grand for. And it did have a different sound to it then all the vocal mics I have had with transformers.

And yes, this is all nothing more than OPINION. Something Aaron seems to fail to grasp, to the point of personal attacks on anyone who doesn't share his opinions.

[malice]

Originally Posted by kosmokrator

Did someone of you guys ever get hands on an U77? No tubes, no transformers, and one of the best sounding vocal mics I've ever heard.

So don't judge transformerless/tubeless designs just by experiences with TLM103 / TLM170. Or by repeating statements from the internet.

I did try them, and I used them on vocal. Where did you see I bashed transformerless design per se ?

I just told one poster who HAS made this statement :

Originally Posted by John Willett

Transformers have a lot of problems and ditching them seems to be a good idea.

preceeded by a belittling statement such has :

Originally Posted by John Willett

There has been a load of cr*p posted on this thread

that transformer LDC are still widely prefered by a large majority against their transformerless counterpart.

Where am I wrong in this simple assumption ?

malice

[Aarhus Lydstudie]

please, don't stop the contest, it's great fun and really makes this forum a great place!


see ya

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

Well I have owned an M149 and I was pretty underwhelmed, especially for the price. And I thought the switches and overall microphone had a pretty cheap feel to them, for a microphone I paid almost 3 grand for. And it did have a different sound to it then all the vocal mics I have had with transformers.

And yes, this is all nothing more than OPINION. Something Aaron seems to fail to grasp, to the point of personal attacks on anyone who doesn't share his opinions.

I've had great results with it . I've had requested by a "big name" american singer , and it's true it worked very well on him .

Even though it's not my first vocal choice , the areas where it shines for me ( piano,choir,strings,room) make it an indispensable tool to my arsenal . We don't record just vocals .

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by Volodia

Even though it's not my first vocal choice , the areas where it shines for me ( piano,choir,strings,room) make it an indispensable tool to my arsenal . We don't record just vocals .

Agreed. The 149 is very potent, clear, and true. I would imagine it would even do great for capturing the sound of a spider climbing up the wall.

Close up vocal mic'ing is different and it didn't impress me so much for that.

Of course, as Aaron likes to point out, I'm really just a nobody so don't take me word for it.

[SaxJordan]

Just checked back on this thread. Haha, yes, this unfolded about as expected.

[thephatboi]

God, is this elementary school, the thread was about mics......
Perhaps less coffee.......:)

[TonyBelmont]

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

l.o.l.

Happy to be of service.

Yeah, when I saw the title to this thread, I was pretty stoked. Then it turned out not to be true so it was a bummer. But enough of this, when the microphone comes out, we can check back to see just how wonderfully stupendous it turns out to be.

[Meriphew]

Originally Posted by studio1117

Now as for The TLM's not holding up, that's complete BS I own 2 U67's..dead mint, awesome mics. Guess what? The TLM49 smokes them on my voice. It isn't better because it's cheaper etc. It's better because it works on my voice.

I have a friend who sounded better using my Beta 58 rather than my Elux 251. If Shure was selling the Beta 58 for $1400, should I feel good about that because it beat out my 251 on one vocalist?

I think it's funny that you're getting so pissed off at people because they don't think modern Neumanns are worth the asking price. For some weird reason you think that no one else but you (and the couple others that like modern Neumanns) has heard, or used modern Neumanns.

Everyone is simply stating their opinions, good or bad, and anyone reading online reviews/opinions should make an educated (try the gear out themselves) decision anyways.

[Meriphew]

Originally Posted by studio1117

Rather than question if anyone should pay $1400 for beta58 for your example, you should be asking yourself why you paid so much for the elux251 when a $75 beta58 would work. Why don't you go start a thread title " I paid too much for my elux 251" and set about bashing something you actually have experienced first hand.

I didn't buy the 251 to use on him. I use it for my own vocals. I also got a great deal on my 251, but I think it is well worth the $4500 it normally sells for.

[eddierodriguez]

Originally Posted by studio1117

You sir are misinformed. Please read the threads. I'm not pissed that you or others don't like new Neumanns. I think the sale