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13th March 2008, 04:18 AM
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| Gear addict  Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| I fired my mannager... A year ago I took this guy under my wing, he was willing to learn audio est... he was good at talking to people and working deals. Eventually he talked me in to letting him "manage" me. At the time I figured he could work out the money end of things and I could focus on engineering. The arrangement worked out for a short while until he became lazy and wanted the "manager" status without doing any work. I finally cut him off, now he has launched a campaign against my career. He has posted personal details about my life on public forums, contacted my "big name" clients and sent slanderes messages to my friends. So far one of my top clients hasn't talked to me and one of my investors pulled out. I think it's time to take legal action... This guy is a real slime ball, I think he was hoping to ride my coat tails to some sort of status. 
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13th March 2008, 04:25 AM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sacramento
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| Yeah. That can be a slippery slope. I had a couple of managers, as a musician. The first I had to get rid of for a couple of reasons -- she was representing the interests of the record company rather than my own, and she didn't do anything. To make sure she didn't come back at me stupid I had to buy her out of her contract for an amount we could agree on. It wasn't nice, but it was safer that way. A managers work is often hard to quantify. If they get your name out there and you start getting a lot of work, they can feel they have a right to your future income regardless of their future work. Good luck.
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13th March 2008, 04:32 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| I wish this was a money issue. This is personal! I blame myself for trusting this type of person. This guy is underhanded. I am loosing money over his slander and one of my best clients won't talk to me! He is protected by the law and I feel helpless!
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14th March 2008, 01:57 AM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: undergound railroad
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|  . one word of advice: the more time, money and energy you spend focusing on the negative BS, the less time you spend on doing your work, pushing your career forward, and making money. that said, if you can find a smart and economically advantageous way to settle with this punk, then do it. and MOVE ON. people spend WAYYYY too much energy on this BS, and not enough on their careers. you'll be 65 and still talking about how this guy ruined your career  ...who cares. f*ck it. it's not worth it.if he's completely got you hamstrung and you need to sue him - then go for it, and make sure you have a kickass lawyer! it will almost certainly be a waste of time, though. i say take some deep breaths, go to a yoga class - and then take your planned litigation money, and spend it on marketing!!!!!!! (all that "hate him" energy can be spent on "love you" energy). just a thought. good luck, whatever you do, and whatever happens... 
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14th March 2008, 02:04 AM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK
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Agreed. Any legal action you take will win the battle but lose the war. Legal action is all well and good in principal but what you'll find is that when people get wind of i, you'll have even less clients. I say that any client who walks away from you on here-ay is not much of a client anyway.... You've had a hard time but will have to move on from it. Is there nothing you can do to keep the peace with him? Surely there must have been some two way antagonism - unless he's a nasty piece of work! | |
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15th March 2008, 09:07 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| I can't believe this. Everyday this week I have had a friend or client threaten me due to my ex-manager talking shit. How is it that I took this kid under my wing, eventually let him manage me and take more credit than he deserved, and now that I let him go... he is successfully turing people against me! I did all the work while this dude drank and did drugs most of the time! It turns out he has never had a real job or paid rent! I have worked my ass of every day and built a solid rep and now people are listing to him? Most of these people don't even bother to ask my side of the story!! Are Americans trashy idiots, who are easily manipulated by a pissed off jerk with no ethics?
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15th March 2008, 05:08 PM
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Is he spreading lies about you? Then you have a case in court. Sue him, and it will likely jaunt him if he really is a druged out hippie with no job.
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15th March 2008, 05:29 PM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| Yes, after last night I realize that people not only believe him, but they are willing to threaten me over what he is telling them. This is so strange that one jealous angry person can do so much damage... This guy thinks he is something he is not..I would love to see him do some real work... He is a fast slick talker who produces nothing JUST B.S
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16th March 2008, 12:45 AM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: undergound railroad
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...no, wait, maybe i'm thinking of: a lawyer.....or agent......or PR agent.....or promoter......or a&r rep.......or..etc....  wow, i guess that's a PRETTY COMMON JOB DESCRIPTION... .
__________________ Sqye (sky) *wired planet new music *CREDITS* link directly above ipod player *wired planet *fallen planet "he who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death" .... Thomas Paine | |
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16th March 2008, 03:30 AM
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16th March 2008, 03:50 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| I Know !! I can't believe his power over people. Some of my good friends are siding with him over what he is telling them about me. Here is my take... I empowered this looser when I agreed to let him manage me. I introduced him to my friends and business contacts. Over the course of time he hung out with these people...While was in the studio working 15hrs a day, he was out drinking with these people saying he was having "meetings" Everybody respected him because he was my manager, I gave him creditability. Now some of those same people are tunning on me, guess I need to party more?
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16th March 2008, 04:57 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey
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16th March 2008, 06:12 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| Well, It's my mistake to put a kid who had no previous experience in charge of something so important as management. I wanted to help him, because this is a tough business and he seemed to really want to make something of himself....I was so wrong... 
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18th March 2008, 08:00 PM
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| Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2008
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| I just want to pop in and say this: Don't worry. That's his sh*t and it's gonna come back and bite him in the ass someday.  Just get the Hell away from it. Peace. |
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25th March 2008, 02:16 PM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| So, I just found out my ex-manager, the slacker is now working with one of my "big" clients in L.A. My client has been acting weird and now I know why. I am the one who gave him creditability and a studio to be associated with now he has used all that against me. I am dropping my "big" client, I refuse to deal with this. My worm of an ex-manager has jacked my business and friend ships, pretty good for a young punk drug dealer.... Anger doesn't even start to cover how I feel. I am honest and work hard...this is what I get? What was my client thinking?
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25th March 2008, 03:19 PM
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| Gear maniac  Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Europe...
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| You should kick him in the as*. I hate BS people like that. Thinking just what's good for them and are ready to go thru dead bodies to get what they want. I  on them.and again: Now go make the greatest record with someone just to prove your "BIG" client he is so on the wrong track. |
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25th March 2008, 03:30 PM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| I have two main issues right now... 1. How is a punk ass with no credit getting people to turn on me? He has no track record of success, no skills, nothing... 2. Punk ass has used my hard work to get to the "right" people and look good...Drop my name to get in good with my client!! A...and get a job?  By loosing clients not only do I loose money, but I am looking industry connections. They are going to somebody who is barely qualified to be an assistant..and he is still slandering me and getting away with that to....
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25th March 2008, 04:22 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sacramento
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| Find out what is being said about you and why. Maybe there's something you should be looking at? Then take the bastard on, full force, nothing covert or cute about it. Those behind the back stabbers can't handle confrontation for the most part. They're chickenshit and crumble when face to face with the BS. But first you have to know what you're fighting and why. The worse thing you can do is sit and fester on it. Action! You gotta take NON-VIOLENT action.
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25th March 2008, 04:33 PM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| Thanks for the advice, but I feel powerless. There is a sub element here, not just his motives to upstage me, but the fact that friends and client's I thought I was solid with are turning on me. I don't know how he is getting them to take sides, I think he is good at playing games. I let him get close to my friends/clients...I was working in the studio he was socializing "in my name". I am confronting my client about this, I realize it's there prerogative to hire who they want, but this is poor taste.
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25th March 2008, 11:03 PM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Roman Empire State
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 | not for nothing but i feel like there is a big part of this situation that is not being voiced here. you have yet to say HOW he is slandering you. is it possible the dude has a legitimate beef?
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25th March 2008, 11:22 PM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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| go and kick his ass. wait for him to come home one night, and go kick his ass. make sure you are sly about it so you don't end up getting arrested. don't kill him, just kick his ass. and tell him while your kicking his ass, you have had alot of sex with his girlfriend. ****ing people in this world, so many of them just ****ing idiots. everywhere- haha all over some paper monopoly money thats worth 3% of what it was worth 100 years ago. just go kick his ass man, i've seen you posting around here of people taking advantage of you before. kick his ass or atleast try, you will feel better when your done. and i suggest you ditch the investors/clients that backed out and **** them  they obviously where flaky ass people for that to shake them up. only deal with the people willing to back you when the roads bumpy as well, those are the people that not only appreciate your work, but you as well. my two cents. let me know if you kick his ass tho. ha  ...if he is legit about something- there are more professional ways to handle something that being a bitch and running to clients/investors and trying to bad mouth someone. i've found out the less you speak bad of people, the more people that speak to you. |
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26th March 2008, 01:51 AM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis MO
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| I had a very similar thing happen to me about 2 years ago. I had a studio and had a "partner" that split everything with me. I'd bring in bands and he'd bring in bands and we'd split the work and money. Well eventually I caught him bringing in bands while I was at my day job and also caught him charging bands twice what we normally would, use me as the excuse and the keep the overcharge amount. Eventually I "fired" him. He called everybody I had ever worked with and was spreading all kinds of shit. He did his best to bring me down and it worked for about 6 months. As of now he records about 2 bands a month and I'm booked solid through April and into May. The point is not to worry too much. If you're a good person and he isn't then people will eventually see through him. |
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26th March 2008, 04:55 AM
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| Gear addict  Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: maui, hawaii
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You cant control what other people do, or force them to like you or work with you. I say move on, lesson learned and make some new friends and clients. good luck
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26th March 2008, 06:25 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| He is spreading roomers of a negative sexual nature about me. This is very sensitive territory and even If your innocent people will look down on you. He knows that I have had issues of being stalked by young fans and several girls have pictures of me on there myspace with captions such as "I love him", he is hot...est He is using this to make me look bad by twisting the facts.
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26th March 2008, 08:43 AM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: LA, USA
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| Sorry dude, but stop whining and move on with your life. |
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26th March 2008, 10:47 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| Ha...Henchman Rocks!! "Like a P.E Coach"...  eYes I am moving to L.A soon....but I can't afford to deal with this type of thing again!! Serious..!
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27th March 2008, 07:14 AM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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| beat his ass man. |
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28th March 2008, 01:02 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey
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| I disagree, you be the more mature, professional one. Though it may seem rocky now, you'll be loaded with better clients in know time, and what will this guy have? Close to nothing... Hold on through because it WILL all turn out alright. As far as those clients go, can them. If they turn on you for this guy, they are nowhere near worth your time. |
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28th March 2008, 01:51 AM
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28th March 2008, 02:21 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California....??
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| Well, I think legal action is in order, but that would also draw the situation out. I am trying to be professional and calm. I have a business to run, he is un-employed and able to find ways of making my life difficult. I do feel a bit better though. I found out one of my clients did in fact hire him! I confronted my client with this and turns out he was out as soon as he was in. I think this whole deal has taught me that I have little value to most clients and friends. Perhaps my lack of social connection with people. I am very busy working all the time, so I don't hang out much. Plus my Idea of fun is writing music or reading GS post.
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