I fired my mannager...

[henryrobinett]

Well that's good, but you need to get real courage and talk to DUDE. It's all the behind the back shit that's harmful, from all involved. You need to talk to him. Find out what's up and get him to stop.

[CrankyRayHanky]

Originally Posted by xmostynx

beat his ass man.

What happens if he tries this but gets his ass beat?

A safer approach may be to egg the slimeball, then put it in your past

[SaxJordan]

Originally Posted by xmostynx

beat his ass man.

ROFL

[SaxJordan]

Another way to play hardball besides legal action or a good old-fashioned beating (and I'm not advocating this, as I don't know all of the specifics of your situation) would be to make like a politician and hire a private investigator or some other dumpster diver and try to get some dirt on him. He may not have any reputation to protect and might have nothing to lose, but if you can get evidence of something illegal or dig up something particularly embarrassing for him, you might be able to scare him into leaving you alone.

[henryrobinett]

That's more of the same. You don't want to lower yourself to that level. That just continues the game. The thing is you want to stop the game. You want him to cease. If you hire an investigator you are playing the game and elevating it to a new level.

[sanddigger1]

Originally Posted by logicll

Well,

I think this whole deal has taught me that I have little value to most clients and friends.

Welcome in the real world ! It's always like this in the music business. Everybody's friend with everybody "we share so much", "you're so precious" "we're all creative people" blah blah blah. But it's the same shit as anywhere else, worse in fact, because most people have inflatted egos and an irationnal state of mind because of those 'creativity' myths...
Never trust anyone. If you need friends, find them out of your professional sphere.

[SaxJordan]

Originally Posted by henryrobinett

That's more of the same. You don't want to lower yourself to that level. That just continues the game. The thing is you want to stop the game. You want him to cease. If you hire an investigator you are playing the game and elevating it to a new level.

I respectfully disagree. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. None of us should go looking for a fight, but we all have a right to self defense. We don't always get to chose what plane we fight on. That guy is in the gutter and guys like that respond only to their own self-interest. Taking the high ground is not likely to bring about change in the perpetrators actions. Ghandi got what he wanted without violence, but Nelson Mandella turned to acts of sabotage. Different situations call for different tactics. All things equal it's better to take the path of least resistance, but sometimes avoiding a fight is just cowardly and counterproductive. Of course talking to the guy is a good first option, but its naive to think that will work with everybody, sometimes talk isn't enough. I'm not in logicll's shoes and I don't know all of the details of the situation, but if that guy is truly harming his well being or livelihood it seems appropriate to respond forcefully with legal action or the exercise of other 'hard power'. That type of reaction is of course risky because is there is the possibility of further retaliation, but the man in that situation needs to weigh the decision carefully taking into account the risk of inaction. I say kick the school-yard bully in the nuts and teach him a lesson. Just my 2¢

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Trust no one and you will never rest!
Trust anyone and they will strike while you're sleeping!
And just as the sun must seek the west
everyone you love will always be leaving

keep your head up your work will speak for its self. As you can already see this guy will tarnish his own reputation and everyone will know about him soon enough. Take comfort in the fact that you are a straight shooter and a stand up guy.

Then KICK HIS ARSE!

GL
Rob

[MrT]

Well if what he is saying about you isn't an out and out lie... you're just gonna look like an ass. Doesn't matter if you did what he said or not. Just that it's believable. So if it's based on truth at all lick your wounds and get on with life.

BTW... it sounds like you're putting a big spin on this in your favor. Not saying he isn't ****ing you. Just that you aren't being 100% honest with yourself.

[henryrobinett]

Originally Posted by SaxJordan

I respectfully disagree. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. None of us should go looking for a fight, but we all have a right to self defense. We don't always get to chose what plane we fight on. That guy is in the gutter and guys like that respond only to their own self-interest. Taking the high ground is not likely to bring about change in the perpetrators actions. Ghandi got what he wanted without violence, but Nelson Mandella turned to acts of sabotage. Different situations call for different tactics. All things equal it's better to take the path of least resistance, but sometimes avoiding a fight is just cowardly and counterproductive. Of course talking to the guy is a good first option, but its naive to think that will work with everybody, sometimes talk isn't enough. I'm not in logicll's shoes and I don't know all of the details of the situation, but if that guy is truly harming his well being or livelihood it seems appropriate to respond forcefully with legal action or the exercise of other 'hard power'. That type of reaction is of course risky because is there is the possibility of further retaliation, but the man in that situation needs to weigh the decision carefully taking into account the risk of inaction. I say kick the school-yard bully in the nuts and teach him a lesson. Just my 2¢

OK, you can disagree, but just know that this is how wars start. This is how people get killed. Little stupid stuff most often. It just escalates and escalates. It's a game of out doing opponents. If the game is burn the somabitch back, well then yes. But if it's not about having a game but getting someone to cease and desist, then you have to out wit the game.

[henryrobinett]

Addendum to the above post -- otherwise your an unwilling, unknowing PAWN in a f***ing game.

[SaxJordan]

Iraq Vietnam WWII

sorry if this is getting too abstract, I think I'm teetering on Godwin's Law being invoked here

My only point here is that humanity is not ready for pacifism. There are a lot of nasty rotten bullies in the world and if as a matter of course we try to just ignore them and hope they go away, well, wars start that way.

I don't know if the op is just being a drama queen or if he is really being harmed, only he knows that. If he's genuinely being harmed, nothing about it is a game. Self-defense is completely justified.

If you let them kick you once, they'll kick you once, if you let them kick you twice, they'll kick you twice. If you break off the m-f-ing foot, there wont be any more kicking. I will add the qualification that if the kicking has stopped, its more productive and healthy to forgive and forget- I'm talking about active kicking here. I'm not about spite, malice or revenge. I'm trying to defend self-defense.

[SaxJordan]

My own addendum- most bullies are cowards and the mere willingness to fight back will send a lot of them off to look for weaker prey.

[henryrobinett]

Well f*** man, who said anything about pacifism? Sheesh. I could elevate this right now by calling you a dipshit, an asshole and a moron. Or I could try talking with respect to try and find out where our differences lie.

There should be, in my mind, several steps, many, many, before the last resort of war is called upon. But sometimes that's necessary. Bombing or otherwise escalation should not be the first or second attempt at reconciliation.

The greatest tool we have as human beings is the ability to communicate. This is a very under used and under developed tool.

[henryrobinett]

BTW I tend to think of violence as the cowards way out. I think it's MUCH harder to try and talk to an adversary than to opt to beat the shit out of him. And after a fight little has been accomplished except you've just escalated the stakes.

I work with inmates. I see this bullshit all the time. It never works.

[SaxJordan]

Just to clarify, someone else made the 'beat his ass' remark, I was suggesting blackmail. My 'kick the school-yard bully in the nuts' comment was metaphorical. I don't in any way believe in physical violence except for as an absolute last resort (as in a life threatening kind of situation)

Anyway, I'm sorry for overgeneralizing, you didn't say anything about pacifism.

+1 for human communication

[Henchman]

There are always going to be people who are going to try to crap on you, and put you down.
It's happened to all of us.
But there's an old saying I've lived by. "Success is the best revenge."
And now I just bought a nice 4 bedroom home with a pool, and most of them live in shitty appartments.

So you can act like a little girls blouse, or you can get on with your life.

[xmostynx]

Originally Posted by CrankyRayHanky

What happens if he tries this but gets his ass beat?

A safer approach may be to egg the slimeball, then put it in your past

pop out of the bushes with a stun gun then...

either way, man up, and beat his ass. he's not rational enough to talk to if he is talking about your sexual life man..

trust me, you'll learn alot about yourself, and him. i bet if you walked up to him called his name and just wacked him in the face, that dude would dump in his pants. i'm a small guy, i would smack him in the face no matter what... after a few shots of whiskey of course

but then again, i'm irish/italian this action might not work for you...and if he beat my ass, i'd wait for him the next day with a baseball bat...

you have to beat him up no matter what man..please do it for us on gearslutz.

[xmostynx]

Originally Posted by SaxJordan

I don't in any way believe in physical violence except for as an absolute last resort (as in a life threatening kind of situation)

its his best friends reputation man..think about that next time you take a leak...your holding on to the BEST buddy you have in the world. always wants to hang when you do, always up for special occasions, always watching your back. the list goes on..


defend your buddy california brother-

[henryrobinett]

Originally Posted by SaxJordan

Iraq Vietnam WWII

sorry if this is getting too abstract, I think I'm teetering on Godwin's Law being invoked here

My only point here is that humanity is not ready for pacifism. There are a lot of nasty rotten bullies in the world and if as a matter of course we try to just ignore them and hope they go away, well, wars start that way.

You were talking about pacifism right there.

My comment has to do with blackmail being more of the same, just more behind the back cowardice. I'm talking about stopping the "behind the back" bullshit. Behind the back bullshit is what got this whole thing started. Most people crumble when face to face with their bullshit. Not pitting them in a corner where they have to fight; just face to face communication. Not in a threatening way. Just, "What's up man? You know what I heard from such and such? I couldn't believe it. Let's sit down and talk about this and find out how we got to this place, shall we? I'm losing business and I thought you were supposed to help me. Maybe you can tell me if there's anything I did wrong, because this just doesn't make sense." You know, open a dialogue, because obviously there isn't one.

Shit just continues because he knows you're too chickenshit to call his shit on it. So it's easy to take a dump over you. Most people would much rather take a quick ass whuppin' than have to talk about their own f***ed up shit with the person the shit all over. Easy targets are those people too cowardly to try to change the course of events. The person who shot you, ripped you off, took your wife -- they don't want to talk to you. Have someone else give them an ass whipping. They'd MUCH prefer that. I promise you.

[Henchman]

My God. I can't believe some of the suggestions being offered up here.
What are you guys, a bunch of pathetic High-School drop outs?

Holy cow. Seriously. Grow the F@?k up.

[xmostynx]

have some fun henchmen

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by xmostynx

have some fun henchmen

And what if he follows the suggestions here. Takes a baseball bat to the guy and accidentally kills him.

Still having fun?

Tell that to the parents of the girl who hung herself after another girls parents helped set up a fake myspace account, and harrassed the girl untill she committed suicide.

You don't know the state of mind someone is in, through a forum.

Use your brain :(

[xmostynx]

people in this country do need to use their head.

its wrong for us to joke around and say hey hit him with the bat, but a police officer can hit you with a steel rod...or even hit you with some huge number of volts for 5 seconds..

but its wrong to walk up to some dude talking about your sexual life and smack him in the face..


you know what- henchmen you crack me up all the time, but grow some balls.
hit the dude in the face and shut him up.

he's talking about your sexual life, thats YOUR business ONLY-
there is a point where talking is done, and the point is there.

and we can talk all you want about professionalism. and sure its NOT professional to smack him in the face, but EVEN pros smack people in the face.

its called dignity. have some.

if your that feeble to where someone on myspace can make you kill yourself, you obviously have shitty parents that never taught you HOW MUCH you are worth to yourself.


use your brain and judge how HARD to hit him, if he is small like me, don't ****ing babe ruth him, just peg him. god damn.

go in front of a judge tell them, hey i smacked this dude because he was talking about my sexual life, and although its not just under this system of law to use violence against someone, when it comes down to something as personal as my sexual life, sometimes just and right are two different things.

tell me what judge will say- your wrong.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by xmostynx

people in this country do need to use their head.

its wrong for us to joke around and say hey hit him with the bat, but a police officer can hit you with a steel rod...or even hit you with some huge number of volts for 5 seconds..

but its wrong to walk up to some dude talking about your sexual life and smack him in the face..


you know what- henchmen you crack me up all the time, but grow some balls.
hit the dude in the face and shut him up.

he's talking about your sexual life, thats YOUR business ONLY-
there is a point where talking is done, and the point is there.

and we can talk all you want about professionalism. and sure its NOT professional to smack him in the face, but EVEN pros smack people in the face.

its called dignity. have some.

if your that feeble to where someone on myspace can make you kill yourself, you obviously have shitty parents that never taught you HOW MUCH you are worth to yourself.


use your brain and judge how HARD to hit him, if he is small like me, don't ****ing babe ruth him, just peg him. god damn.

go in front of a judge tell them, hey i smacked this dude because he was talking about my sexual life, and although its not just under this system of law to use violence against someone, when it comes down to something as personal as my sexual life, sometimes just and right are two different things.

tell me what judge will say- your wrong.

Yeah. The judge will say he understands, and then send your assets to jail. Where you can spend time between trying not to get raped, and preparing for the civil suite where the guy you attacked is going to take what little you have left, as well.
Then, when you get out of jail, and you're living on skidrow, working as a bagboy at the local grocery store, because it's the only job you can get as an ex-con. You can reminiscent about how right you were and how good it felt to hit the guy.

Nice advice.
My guess is you ARE a teenager.
If not. You still act and think like one.

[xmostynx]

Originally Posted by Henchman

Nice advice.
My guess is you ARE a teenager.
If not. You still act and think like one.

a teenager?! oh no!

please man, i have a nice professional career at a very young age, (23) i have a very nice studio being built, i have very nice properties, and your going to tell me i'm a teenager.

i've financed my own schooling, and soon a masters degree. and your going to tell me i'm a teenager... well you know what.

when i was a teenager i was discussing buying land in the adirondacks with the money i saved up from working at mcdonalds and cutting lawns.

so my teenage advice is to beat his ass, because nobody would ever talk about my sexual life to my clients, and my clients wouldn't even care about my sexual life.

its called respect, have some for yourself.

and there is nothing wrong with being a teenager, there is something wrong with being a dumb mole that gets walked on tho.

henchmen

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by xmostynx

a teenager?! oh no!

please man, i have a nice professional career at a very young age, (23) i have a very nice studio being built, i have very nice properties, and your going to tell me i'm a teenager.

i've financed my own schooling, and soon a masters degree. and your going to tell me i'm a teenager... well you know what.

when i was a teenager i was discussing buying land in the adirondacks with the money i saved up from working at mcdonalds and cutting lawns.

so my teenage advice is to beat his ass, because nobody would ever talk about my sexual life to my clients, and my clients wouldn't even care about my sexual life.

its called respect, have some for yourself.

and there is nothing wrong with being a teenager, there is something wrong with being a dumb mole that gets walked on tho.

henchmen

I don't care how much property you own, it doesn't put you above the law, and you still talk like dumb teenager.
In fact, owning property makes you an even bigger and lucrative target for sue-happy lawyers.

Think about that next time you get ready to throw the first punch.