Led Zeppelin Copyright Idiocy

[andsonic]

This is the Moan Zone, right? Oh boy, do I want to moan!


I noticed that the amateur, cellphone filmed clips of the mighty Led Zeppelin have been removed from YouTube. This message is posted instead:

“This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Warner Music Group”

(Hmmh, Didn't Page & Plant et. al. Write & perform the songs?)


OK, OK i know that the RIAA/labels are being idiots about this but COME ON! These clips hurt NO-ONE!


In fact they helped Warner Music Group, Led Zeppelin, the Ahmet Ertegun estate, and all others involved in the concert. They were proof that LZ rocked and are still relevant 27 years after they ceased to be an active music group. They helped create a major buzz about the event and created a strong desire for more LZ product and a tour. A tour that would earn the parties involved more money.
THIS IS CALLED PROMOTION.


The paralegal in the WMG legal dept who was “doing their job” by notifying YouTube of the copyright infringement just lost WMG money.
This is called cutting your nose off despite your face.
Once again, I challenge a representative of the RIAA or the big 4 to explain why this makes any sense.



I rest my case.
(Sorry if I violated any forum ethics, but COME ON )

[peeder]

+1

Glad to see someone gets it.

[xmostynx]

dfegadcorporate america

[PoorGlory]

Warner probably owns a percent of publishing for some of those tunes.

Even so, fuuckdfegad Warner. They clearly have no idea what their customer base is/wants/needs/buys.

[SFTPH]

Copyright? Led Zeppelin was the best cover band in history. That's all they were.

[slaves666]

I dunno man.....I remember when it was illegal to bring cameras and tape recorders into concerts, so that the surprise of seeing the stage set and such was worth the ticket price. So I must agree that if they want them off, it is a good thing. If bands want the "exposure" fine, otherwise, you'll have to wait for a full tour.

[Vogon]

Originally Posted by SFTPH

Copyright? Led Zeppelin was the best cover band in history. That's all they were.

How many pop/rock bands do you know that arn't/weren't Derivative?
How many of those helped lay the foundations of a whole music genre?

[joelpatterson]

*makes some lame joke that ends with the phrase "like a lead balloon!"*

[Brian!]

live DVD

[andsonic]

The youtube clips made me more interested in a live DVD. The youtube clips made me more interested in a tour. The youtube clips were low-quality cellphone clips that showed that Zep could still play. The clips caused a positive discussion of the band here on GS. That is promotion. That is good.

If I were WMG, I would have removed the clips only if the band stunk up the joint!

That's why I find the RIAA postion so idiotic.

[RockDog]

Originally Posted by andsonic

This is the Moan Zone, right? Oh boy, do I want to moan!


I noticed that the amateur, cellphone filmed clips of the mighty Led Zeppelin have been removed from YouTube. This message is posted instead:



(Hmmh, Didn't Page & Plant et. al. Write & perform the songs?)


OK, OK i know that the RIAA/labels are being idiots about this but COME ON! These clips hurt NO-ONE!


In fact they helped Warner Music Group, Led Zeppelin, the Ahmet Ertegun estate, and all others involved in the concert. They were proof that LZ rocked and are still relevant 27 years after they ceased to be an active music group. They helped create a major buzz about the event and created a strong desire for more LZ product and a tour. A tour that would earn the parties involved more money.
THIS IS CALLED PROMOTION.


The paralegal in the WMG legal dept who was “doing their job” by notifying YouTube of the copyright infringement just lost WMG money.
This is called cutting your nose off despite your face.
Once again, I challenge a representative of the RIAA or the big 4 to explain why this makes any sense.



I rest my case.
(Sorry if I violated any forum ethics, but COME ON )

i see it the other way
led zep dont need promotion for 1 they'd sell out a tour before you could blink
and i think its upto them if amateur vid gets shown on you tube
also i dont think its about money for them they make millions a year from publishing STILL!!

[RockDog]

Originally Posted by SFTPH

Copyright? Led Zeppelin was the best cover band in history. That's all they were.

hmmmm 300 million album sales ''all they were'' you say, ha ha YOUR A JOKE you got to be kidding

[H-Rave]

Wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said "The Only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about ".


These guys are really up their arses.

[TREMORS]

Originally Posted by SFTPH

Copyright? Led Zeppelin was the best cover band in history. That's all they were.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I love Zep, but that was funny, considering their history
-D

[musikwerks]

makes you wonder doesn't it.... when you consider LZ did the show for free.

way to go warners.

[SFTPH]

Originally Posted by CockSlob

hmmmm 300 million album sales ''all they were'' you say, ha ha YOUR A JOKE you got to be kidding

The fact is they ripped off every old or unknown bluesman/rock group that had a great song and claimed they wrote it. I could give a F*ck about 300 million sales. If I'm a joke you are the punchline.

[Benjy King]

andsonic wrote: This is called cutting your nose off despite your face.

FWIW-
Cutting off the nose to spite the face is an expression used to describe a needlessly self-destructive overreaction to a problem. "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face" is a warning not to act out of pique or pursue revenge in such a way as to damage yourself more than the object of your anger.

[H-Rave]

So you think that " cutting off the branch you're sitting on", is more appropriate, or maybe "biting the hand that feeds you. "

[Vogon]

Originally Posted by SFTPH

The fact is they ripped off every old or unknown bluesman/rock group that had a great song and claimed they wrote it. I could give a F*ck about 300 million sales. If I'm a joke you are the punchline.

Ripping off bluesmen? *That* was being done long before zep showed up. And, by the earlier rock bands you're presenting as paradigms of ingenuity - that doesn't *exist* in most popular music, it's part of the recipe - there has to be some form and familiarity. Those bluesmen themselves were partial to using the same structures AND melody-lines as their contemporaries. There's that saying "talent borrows, genius steals", to single out zep seems incredibly near-sighted, and mildly amusing considering the *legions* of bands who borrowed from *them*.

Out of interest, who DID record "black dog" before zep?.. Kashmere? Immingant Song?...

[RockDog]

Originally Posted by SFTPH

The fact is they ripped off every old or unknown bluesman/rock group that had a great song and claimed they wrote it. I could give a F*ck about 300 million sales. If I'm a joke you are the punchline.

and every bluesman has ripped every bluesman off and so on and so on
AND YOUR BEYOND A JOKE TO EVEN SAY THAT HA HA
dfegad

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by andsonic

This is the Moan Zone, right? Oh boy, do I want to moan!


I noticed that the amateur, cellphone filmed clips of the mighty Led Zeppelin have been removed from YouTube. This message is posted instead:



(Hmmh, Didn't Page & Plant et. al. Write & perform the songs?)


OK, OK i know that the RIAA/labels are being idiots about this but COME ON! These clips hurt NO-ONE!


In fact they helped Warner Music Group, Led Zeppelin, the Ahmet Ertegun estate, and all others involved in the concert. They were proof that LZ rocked and are still relevant 27 years after they ceased to be an active music group. They helped create a major buzz about the event and created a strong desire for more LZ product and a tour. A tour that would earn the parties involved more money.
THIS IS CALLED PROMOTION.


The paralegal in the WMG legal dept who was “doing their job” by notifying YouTube of the copyright infringement just lost WMG money.
This is called cutting your nose off despite your face.
Once again, I challenge a representative of the RIAA or the big 4 to explain why this makes any sense.



I rest my case.
(Sorry if I violated any forum ethics, but COME ON )

Rights to live recording sewn up? I'll bet.

[Vandergraf]

Originally Posted by SFTPH

The fact is they ripped off every old or unknown bluesman/rock group that had a great song and claimed they wrote it. I could give a F*ck about 300 million sales. If I'm a joke you are the punchline.

Oh PLEASE. Let's not start a pissing contest about what artist ripped what artist! There ain't enough bytes.

[SFTPH]

Originally Posted by Vandergraf

Oh PLEASE. Let's not start a pissing contest about what artist ripped what artist! There ain't enough bytes.

As long as we don't start a c*ck sucking contest for the worlds greatest cover band.

[lowfreq33]

This is total b.s. I'll bet in a few years, when the perceived value for recorded music is down to zero, you'll be the first one in line to complain about not having a gig. Warner and Zeppelin have every right to control the material they own the rights to. And don't even start with how much money they have, I don't want to hear it. If we want independent artists to be protected from theft we have to protect the big ones too. This is the same kind of crap I hear from the bozos who think all software should be free. What a load of garbage, it's called capitalism, and it's worked pretty good so far.

And do you honestly believe that a Zeppelin reunion tour would need any kind of publicity? It's Led Zeppelin, for crying out loud. The one concert sold out in about 20 minutes, If they did a full tour I doubt there would be a single show that didn't.

[RockDog]

Originally Posted by lowfreq33

This is total b.s. I'll bet in a few years, when the perceived value for recorded music is down to zero, you'll be the first one in line to complain about not having a gig. Warner and Zeppelin have every right to control the material they own the rights to. And don't even start with how much money they have, I don't want to hear it. If we want independent artists to be protected from theft we have to protect the big ones too. This is the same kind of crap I hear from the bozos who think all software should be free. What a load of garbage, it's called capitalism, and it's worked pretty good so far.

And do you honestly believe that a Zeppelin reunion tour would need any kind of publicity? It's Led Zeppelin, for crying out loud. The one concert sold out in about 20 minutes, If they did a full tour I doubt there would be a single show that didn't.

exactly right

[joelpatterson]

That's so true, even if they waited until EVERY original member of the band was dead and buried, it would STILL sell out!

[Dirty Halo]

Funny how a label (and the band) will pay a million bucks to produce a music video, which is really their form of advertising and then sue to take a clip off YouTube that is doing the exact same job (perhaps better in this day and age).

Don't confuse a "promotional type clip" (amatuer or otherwise) with the same thing as a pirated version of the song.

MTV doesn't play music videos anymore. YouTube IS where kids go to see and hear bands.

Killing that IS cutting off your nose.



-andrews

[RockDog]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Funny how a label (and the band) will pay a million bucks to produce a music video, which is really their form of advertising and then sue to take a clip off YouTube that is doing the exact same job (perhaps better in this day and age).

Don't confuse a "promotional type clip" (amatuer or otherwise) with the same thing as a pirated version of the song.

MTV doesn't play music videos anymore. YouTube IS where kids go to see and hear bands.

Killing that IS cutting off your nose.



-andrews

but who gives anybody the RIGHT to place clips on ''you tube'' but led zep or there record company?? you are missing the point!!
led zepplin ain't looking for promotional material THEY DONT NEED IT it comes down to a word called RESPECT
and we should respect there RIGHT to do that, not anybody else!!!

[andsonic]

The exchange above is exactly why I posted this thread in the first place.

Internet culture is about the fans controlling the media. That's the deal with digg.com, etc. It's all peer pressure

Those who are members of the "Internet Generation". The mighty LZ may or may not need more promotion. I would just like to point out that Prince got a nice career boost from the Superbowl and all the "pirated" video clips on Youtube.

Zep has a significant reputation as a trailblazing band of the '60's and '70's. Their reunions have been a mixed bag. The youtube clips did 3 things.
1) They let a larger audience see a one-off show, that may not happen again and was not televised.
2) They showed that Page could still play. Many would doubt that fact when seeing other "recent" performances.
3) It proved that Zep is still relevant.

This may seem like something from left field, but JK Rowling has learned to enjoy/respect all the fan fiction being generated. Even though it violates copyright. I would dare say that her publisher is coming round to the same conclusion. They're noticing that it adds value to their product.

As far as Zep is concerned: I would not have thought to buy a (possible) DVD if there had been no clips on YouTube. Now I'm planning on it.

and oh, btw Jake Holmes wrote "Dazed and Confused".

[jeremy.c.]

I agree the interested parties have a legal right to control their performances, etc.
but on the other hand, Grateful Dead attribute a lot of their success to the fact that they allowed bootlegs. In the case of music scarcity doesn't create a demand, ubiquity seems to create more of a demand.