Nickelback - Rockstar

[Resonant Alien]

Originally Posted by spoonie g

Sounds like I struck a nerve. ;)

Idiotic statements generally do

[TheReal7]

Nickelback!

Simpleton music for simpeltons!


With reality tv progressively dumbing down society as a whole. They need simpleton music. Because face it, the majority of the gen. public can't comprehend art and anything that takes talent to make. Thus why we have such GREAT shows on TV now and bland cookie cutter bands on the radio. It's only going to get MUCH worse. One day, a band won't need to know how to play any instruments. You'll simply go in to the studio, pick your melodies and beats and riffs from a giant library of prerecorded samples and arrange them how the computer tells you too. The software that determines if it will be a hit or not based on math. Yup, it's ****ing pathetic.

[spoonie g]

Originally Posted by Resonant Alien

Idiotic statements generally do

Ok, so which statement do you need explaining? I'll try the one you referenced:

The cobain statement was in regards to why he killed himself; becoming a plastic general representation of a fake society, which nickelback is the clearest example in the music world: (as one poster put it) simpleton music for the simpleton masses, generic, lazy music for a lazy society.

[doorknocker]

You know, I couldn't care less about Nickelback but there was a time when I DID care for Carlos Santana.

What he's up to these days is just tragic, doing corporate rock devoid of any meaning is one thing but selling it as 'spiritual' and calling this piece of shit a 'great song' is just beyond descrption, I'm lost for words:

(I did warn you and refuse responsability for any acts of violence commited while or after watching the following clip!!)

Amazon.com : Entertainment : Santana: Making of "Into the Night"

[Empire Prod]

If it wasn't for Nickelback I probably wouldn't have been getting a paycheck for the last 4 or 5 years so I say bless those Canucks!

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by Long_Shaded_Eye

NO ! Nothing can be as bad as Pearljam .... I HATE them !!!!! Just hate them ...... anyway I hate nickelback too

I am with you and your pain everytime you hear a Pearl Jam song on the radio....I am surethe pain only last few secs until you change the radio station!!

[Resonant Alien]

Originally Posted by spoonie g

Ok, so which statement do you need explaining? I'll try the one you referenced:

The cobain statement was in regards to why he killed himself; becoming a plastic general representation of a fake society, which nickelback is the clearest example in the music world: (as one poster put it) simpleton music for the simpleton masses, generic, lazy music for a lazy society.

No explanation needed....you are pretending to know why a person who you do not know committed suicide. Unless you were one of Cobain's closest friends, you have no idea why he killed himself, other than what you might have seen on some Behind The Music episode or what you assumed based on something Courtney Love said or some other crap. Kurt Cobain accidentally got famous, couldn't deal with it, and killed himself. That is tragic. OTOH, he might have killed himself even if he never became famous because he was a messed up, tortured soul. The world will never know.

As for bands like Nickelback being "more hazardous than illegal downloading" - if that was a tongue-in-cheek metaphor, it was pretty funny. If you were being serious, that was idiotic.

I just get tired of people coming in with broad generalized sweeping statements about this or that music sucking and the people that listen to said music being lazy simpletons. That is a load of fookin shyte, and sounds like something a 12 year old would say.

Music is music people. We are not solving world hunger, we are not reversing climate change, we are not reducing the rape and murder rate in our society. We are making music, whose main purpose is to entertain, to make people feel connected, inspired, whatever. If Nickelback doesn't do it for you, great...don't listen to them, get off on whatever does. But get off the damn soapbox already.

Oh, and for the record, I don't like Nickelback either

[spoonie g]

Originally Posted by Resonant Alien

No explanation needed....you are pretending to know why a person who you do not know committed suicide. Unless you were one of Cobain's closest friends, you have no idea why he killed himself, other than what you might have seen on some Behind The Music episode or what you assumed based on something Courtney Love said or some other crap. Kurt Cobain accidentally got famous, couldn't deal with it, and killed himself. That is tragic. OTOH, he might have killed himself even if he never became famous because he was a messed up, tortured soul. The world will never know.

As for bands like Nickelback being "more hazardous than illegal downloading" - if that was a tongue-in-cheek metaphor, it was pretty funny. If you were being serious, that was idiotic.

I just get tired of people coming in with broad generalized sweeping statements about this or that music sucking and the people that listen to said music being lazy simpletons. That is a load of fookin shyte, and sounds like something a 12 year old would say.

Music is music people. We are not solving world hunger, we are not reversing climate change, we are not reducing the rape and murder rate in our society. We are making music, whose main purpose is to entertain, to make people feel connected, inspired, whatever. If Nickelback doesn't do it for you, great...don't listen to them, get off on whatever does. But get off the damn soapbox already.

Oh, and for the record, I don't like Nickelback either

Uh, yeah, I think you're taking it too seriously. It's the internet. Not a heart attack. People will say flippant things in text, which is not aided by inflection. That being said, music does heal. Don't minimize it's importance. Why do you think it's so prevalant?

[musikwerks]

Not a fan of NB but damn, they sure sell a lot. Have you seen Kroeger's "home" studio? Niiiice.

[kadeemusic]

I respect Nickelback; I really do. They worked their butt off to get where they are, and they seem to know their audience well.

That said, I don't really get the appeal of much of their music. It's status quo--none of their songs really stand out in any way, and most of their songs sound kind of angry and morose. They have a famiilar sound that fits radio formats, but that's about it. I'm not a huge fan of Bon Jovi, but at least they write songs that are feel-good and anthemic. Even if you don't like them, you can sort of get their appeal. Maroon 5 are groovy and somewhat danceable. Matchbox Twenty has some good stuff too. And Rob Thomas's duet with Santana was a really good pop song. I definitely have no problem with commerciality in music. I think it can often be an attribute. But Nickelback just sounds like wallpaper to me. "Someday, somehow", how is that a memorable hook?

Nickelback does have mass appeal--I'm just curious about where it's coming from. The notion of someone bopping along in their car to a Nickelback song is kind of funny to me. I don't know; I suppose there are some that do.

[bassist377]

I was disprivileged enough to watch Chad Kroger's "MTV Cribs".

I almost cried when I saw his home studio.

It was literally a home studio, like, he converted an entire house to the sole purpose of recording.

I don't know if I hate him more for his sub-horrendous songwriting or out of pure envy.

...also, seriously, does anybody seriously believe any of the guys in Nickleback are really into drugs? If they were, I'd honestly expect something much more creative than, well, their entire catalog.

[RockDog]

Originally Posted by CaliTone

This is just a wild guess, but maybe it's because they write really catchy songs that appeal to a lot of people. I wonder how many of you Nickelback haters can actually write a song much less write one that sells by the truckload.

ha ha ha thats the best reply ever ha ha

[RockDog]

Originally Posted by kadeemusic

I respect Nickelback; I really do. They worked their butt off to get where they are, and they seem to know their audience well.

That said, I don't really get the appeal of much of their music. It's status quo--none of their songs really stand out in any way, and most of their songs sound kind of angry and morose. They have a famiilar sound that fits radio formats, but that's about it. I'm not a huge fan of Bon Jovi, but at least they write songs that are feel-good and anthemic. Even if you don't like them, you can sort of get their appeal. Maroon 5 are groovy and somewhat danceable. Matchbox Twenty has some good stuff too. And Rob Thomas's duet with Santana was a really good pop song. I definitely have no problem with commerciality in music. I think it can often be an attribute. But Nickelback just sounds like wallpaper to me. "Someday, somehow", how is that a memorable hook?

Nickelback does have mass appeal--I'm just curious about where it's coming from. The notion of someone bopping along in their car to a Nickelback song is kind of funny to me. I don't know; I suppose there are some that do.

ill ask you a question, what songs did bon jovi actually write themselves without desmond child writing a majority? there later stuff maybe?

but there early stuff wasn't bon jovi he wrote runaway only and the rest was co-wrote
in which the case being nickleback fully write there own material so they are ahead of jovi in the writing stakes
check if im wrong?

[justyntime]

Kurt Cobain killed himself?




Sorry, thats a whole other can of worms.


Anyway, I think the guy that said that "thats why Kurt Cobain killed himself" was trying to stay light hearted and wasn't really serious (maybe in bad taste) but at the same time I have to say that the defense of this being the internet and silly things are said all the time is a little off. Just because we are on the internet doesn't mean people can go around saying outrageous jackass statements. Not that yours fell under that blanket this time but the defense eluded to that kind of thing being acceptable because its the internet.

[spoonie g]

Originally Posted by justyntime

Kurt Cobain killed himself?




Sorry, thats a whole other can of worms.


Anyway, I think the guy that said that "thats why Kurt Cobain killed himself" was trying to stay light hearted and wasn't really serious (maybe in bad taste) but at the same time I have to say that the defense of this being the internet and silly things are said all the time is a little off. Just because we are on the internet doesn't mean people can go around saying outrageous jackass statements. Not that yours fell under that blanket this time but the defense eluded to that kind of thing being acceptable because its the internet.

I said they are a testament to why he killed himself, i.e., becoming plastic homogeonized excrement of the industry. They are what cobain feared himself becoming. They are the epitome of middle-of-the-road. Sure, it was flippant and off-the-cuff, but I don't think it's incorrect.

[justyntime]

Thats cool, I dont have an opinion of Nickelback one way or the other and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Personally Im not so sure Kurt Killed himself but if he did I think it was definitely more a result of a chemical imbalance. I think his serotonin reuptake levels would have had more to with it than is standing in the public eye.

Id say your theory of what nickelback is most certainly all the things that Kurt Cobain was against and attempted to make music that spoke to the people that felt the same way. So bringing him into the equation of this convo definitely fits!

[TheReal7]

NB also likes to rip people off for their own profit.

Listen to Ian Thornley's song 'Easy Comes' from Come Again [2004]....then listen to Nickelback's song 'Side of A Bullet' from All The Right Reasons [2005].


How convenient that Thornley is on 604 records too.

[Resonant Alien]

Originally Posted by justyntime

Just because we are on the internet doesn't mean people can go around saying outrageous jackass statements.

+1. Unfortunately, it's not just the internet - this is what our society has become - do and say whatever the F you want and if someone calls BS on you, just say "Oh, I was just kidding..lighten up". Now THAT's lazy.

[Resonant Alien]

Originally Posted by TheReal7

NB also likes to rip people off for their own profit.

Listen to Ian Thornley's song 'Easy Comes' from Come Again [2004]....then listen to Nickelback's song 'Side of A Bullet' from All The Right Reasons [2005]

Don't open that can of worms, else we have to rehash the fact that Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Rolling Stones and The Beatles also ripped off a bunch of blues guys on their first few albums.

[TheReal7]

Originally Posted by Resonant Alien

+1. Unfortunately, it's not just the internet - this is what our society has become - do and say whatever the F you want and if someone calls BS on you, just say "Oh, I was just kidding..lighten up". Now THAT's lazy.

I was not kidding with my statement one bit.

And WHY not open that can of worms? It just further corroborates what people are saying here about NB.

[Stitch333]

Originally Posted by Empire Prod

If it wasn't for Nickelback I probably wouldn't have been getting a paycheck for the last 4 or 5 years so I say bless those Canucks!

THAT is an attitude that will get you paid.

If Nicklecreed called tomorrow to hire, I'd be there in a flash.
Would I enjoy the job? Probably, because I love to make records and I like making money.
Would I enjoy the music? who cares (tho it would help if I did care)...I'll make enough on a gig like that to produce and promote my own music and artists when all is said and done. + the caliber of the staff hired to make those records is usually worldclass so you'd be surrounded by people you can actually (hopefully) learn something from.

[spoonie g]

Originally Posted by Resonant Alien

+1. Unfortunately, it's not just the internet - this is what our society has become - do and say whatever the F you want and if someone calls BS on you, just say "Oh, I was just kidding..lighten up". Now THAT's lazy.

I stand behind what I say 100%. But you obviously take something too seriously... hmmm...........

[kadeemusic]

Originally Posted by RockDog

ill ask you a question, what songs did bon jovi actually write themselves without desmond child writing a majority? there later stuff maybe?

but there early stuff wasn't bon jovi he wrote runaway only and the rest was co-wrote
in which the case being nickleback fully write there own material so they are ahead of jovi in the writing stakes
check if im wrong?

Yes, Desmond Child may have co-written a good chunk of Bon-Jovi's stuff. That's beside the point. If the songs were good, who cares who wrote them or co-wrote them?

My point was that I have a hard time fully understanding the appeal of Nickelback. As far as I'm concerned, they could stand to employ some songwriting input from Desmond Child--he might be able to offer a fresher perspective. I guess they figure if it ain't broke...they certainly do have a lot of hits, even if you can't tell them apart.

[ScottyD]

I'll add my 2c.

Nickleback sucks donkey crank.

-ScottyD

[RockDog]

Originally Posted by kadeemusic

Yes, Desmond Child may have co-written a good chunk of Bon-Jovi's stuff. That's beside the point. If the songs were good, who cares who wrote them or co-wrote them?

My point was that I have a hard time fully understanding the appeal of Nickelback. As far as I'm concerned, they could stand to employ some songwriting input from Desmond Child--he might be able to offer a fresher perspective. I guess they figure if it ain't broke...they certainly do have a lot of hits, even if you can't tell them apart.

its a good point to me
i like bon jovi and nickleback, but i do respect the fact that a songwriter is a songwriter and a co-writer is a co-writer there is a big difference there to me
i cant help but respect someone who comes along and writes, records, and gets his stuff out there on his own back with not much help and make millions of people listen and make alot of money as well

[zboy2854]

How many copies is it they sold of their most recent record? Was it 6 million? Or 7 million? It's always so hard to keep track once you get past the first 5 million, isn't it?

The fact of the matter is that while no one will ever accuse Nickelback of being a profound or important act in the annals of music history, they clearly make music that appeals to a large portion of the music buying public. And no, it's not just about promotion and marketing, if it were, every album with major $$ behind it would sell 7 million, but they don't. Nickelback does, because their songs are catchy as hell (at least according to 7 million music buyers or so).

Now, if you're someone who doesn't think their songs are catchy, that's fine. It simply means your sensibilities or taste isn't in step with the general music buying public. And that's fine too. But if you want to "blame" anyone for the success of Nickelback, don't blame the band, blame the public. They're the ones who made the band a phenomenon.

Personally I have no problem whatsoever admitting that I totally get Nickelback, and that I'd even say a couple of their songs are guilty pleasures (along with Barry Manilow ). Doesn't mean I don't also appreciate "deeper" artists as well, but for me everything has its place. I don't always want to listen to the same kinds of music, with the same depth levels. Sometimes I want to hear really interesting, thought provoking music and lyrics. But sometimes I just want to hear mindless, catchy music. And clearly around 7 million other music listeners do too. And there's nothing wrong with that, except for the holier or indier-than-thou folks, and quite frankly I never much cared what they think, and clearly neither does Nickelback, and clearly it hasn't hurt them.

[feck]

Nickelback is an integral part of the systematic dumbing down of society. Their sole purpose as an agent of the promotional machine is to lower the public's ability to judge, discern, and interpret quality art. There are those of us who see it, those of us who don't want to, and those of us who can't. Justification for this is as easy as feeling good about taking a big