Empirical Labs please holdout

superburtm · 18th August 2007, 10:08 AM

I really hope Empirical Labs is the last great hope and doesn't sellout and join WAVES

to make the distressor plug in and the fatso plug in. PLEASE don't enable waves to make another single dollar! I really am saddened to see API buying into this crap

andrewj · 18th August 2007, 12:02 PM

i think waves should recreate something easier first! perhaps something from behringer

!

to me they could not even recreate the URS pluggies!

AllAboutTone · 18th August 2007, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superburtm

I really hope Empirical Labs is the last great hope and doesn't sellout and join WAVES

to make the distressor plug in and the fatso plug in. PLEASE don't enable waves to make another single dollar! I really am saddened to see API buying into this crap

agreed, this is some more sad news.

Mike Vick. You are one of the best to play the game but " Stay away from my Dog "

superburtm · 18th August 2007, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewj

i think waves should recreate something easier first! perhaps something from behringer

!

haha yes

lowfreq33 · 18th August 2007, 02:10 PM

Waves plugins-

Wave business practices-

I'll never buy anything from them.

Killahurts · 18th August 2007, 02:28 PM

I'm waiting for Waves to release an emulation of the classic L1 limiter...

Goliath|Audio · 18th August 2007, 03:34 PM

And the dumbest part of the whole thing, the distressor is digital. I love the fact that guys are so bent on making sure their whole studio is analog this, that and everything.

If they are using the same chips, they easily could port it over to HD.

jondoe1972 · 18th August 2007, 03:43 PM

The distressor is analog.

Some of the parameters may be digitally controlled, but the audio path is analog all the way!

Or am I misunderstanding something?

drmmrboy · 18th August 2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

And the dumbest part of the whole thing, the distressor is digital. I love the fact that guys are so bent on making sure their whole studio is analog this, that and everything.

If they are using the same chips, they easily could port it over to HD.

Digitally controlled..
Anaolg signal path..

Unlike most analog compressor/limiters the Distressor is a digitally controlled audio device and actually incorporates several products into one by utilizing digital controls to switch totally different circuits in and out.

noiseflaw · 18th August 2007, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superburtm

I really hope Empirical Labs is the last great hope and doesn't sellout and join WAVES

to make the distressor plug in and the fatso plug in. PLEASE don't enable waves to make another single dollar! I really am saddened to see API buying into this crap

No, No.....AAAaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh

AMIEL · 18th August 2007, 06:59 PM

Ok!! I want to understand this:

If Waves can make a Distressor o Fatso Plug in:

a- if sound as good as the hardware!!! great!!!! that's what technology is all about!!!

b-and if does not sound as good....so the owners could feel that their investment was worth it!

I wonder if most of you guys would prefer to be without a DAW...just because they copied the concept of a console and a tape recorder.
..I do not think is wrong...just technology

anyway I think always may be a difference in sound and you could take your own decitions of what ypu prefer to buy....
But if currently Empirical Labs owners feel offended because they bought the real thing at a higher price ...maybe would be a good idea to give a special discount to registered hardware owners(that could apply to other companies too) ...
Empirical Labs is a great company with excelent products and if is true the rumour here..I am sure they may try to achieve a great emulation of their awesome products!!

joeq · 18th August 2007, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIEL

Ok!! I want to understand this:

If Waves can make a Distressor o Fatso Plug in:

a- if sound as good as the hardware!!! great!!!! that's what technology is all about!!!

b-and if does not sound as good....so the owners could feel that their investment was worth it!

Exactly.

I fail to see how the addition of a product one doesn't care for harms you in in any way. don't buy it! Your hardware Distressor does not stop working the day someone makes a plug-in, regardless of whether that plug-in sounds better, worse or the same.

these are the same people who get upset when upgrades come out.

Unless somebody WANTS a Distressor plug-in, but just not from Waves? Is that why the upset?

If you think about it, the release of inferior products is good for you. Assuming you are the one with a discerning ear who can tell the superior products from the inferior ones, it puts you one step ahead.

Let other people buy the 'wrong' thing! The more the merrier! They are, after all, your competition.

xj32 · 18th August 2007, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeq

Exactly.

I fail to see how the addition of a product one doesn't care for harms you in in any way. don't buy it! Your hardware Distressor does not stop working the day someone makes a plug-in, regardless of whether that plug-in sounds better, worse or the same.

It just diminishes everyone's hard earned sense of elitism, thats all.

XJ

dave-G · 18th August 2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by joeq

Unless somebody WANTS a Distressor plug-in, but just not from Waves? Is that why the upset?

I think that's probably it.

Kinda like in the 90s wanting someone to win the Superbowl, as long as it wasn't the Cowboys.

-dave

neilio · 18th August 2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave-G

I think that's probably it.

Kinda like in the 90s wanting someone to win the Superbowl, as long as it wasn't the Cowboys.

-dave

in most cases with certain companies, i think the above would be more or less correct, but with waves and their "wup" policies i think cats around here just dont want to see waves, the company, have any more revenue streams based on emulations of gear they love.

the whole covert illegal software campaign by waves is acceptable for a company to do, but coupled with absolutely horrid customer service and the wup and the alleged having to re-buy the license if you buy a new computer, has left a very acrid taste in the mouths of waves and potential waves customers alike.

add the latter in with the former and i think it makes sense why the waves haters exist.

AMIEL · 19th August 2007, 01:33 AM

I think the wup is not so bad now.
and I think many people for some reasom make Waves look like evil.....Native instruments have the Komplete Care !!

Anyway....I think Waves is one of the few companies that can do a good emulation....o do you prefer a bad emulation but without the name Waves on it? I rather don't have anything!!

superburtm · 19th August 2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIEL

I think the wup is not so bad now.
and I think many people for some reasom make Waves look like evil.....Native instruments have the Komplete Care !!

Anyway....I think Waves is one of the few companies that can do a good emulation....o do you prefer a bad emulation but without the name Waves on it? I rather don't have anything!!

Dude waves blows! If you don't get that...you obviously have never owned their software and had to deal with the company. The point of this thread is I hope thoses slimy bastards(WAVES) don't profit any further off of modeling REAL audio companies bitching hardware. END OF STORY

superburtm · 19th August 2007, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilio

in most cases with certain companies, i think the above would be more or less correct, but with waves and their "wup" policies i think cats around here just dont want to see waves, the company, have any more revenue streams based on emulations of gear they love.

the whole covert illegal software campaign by waves is acceptable for a company to do, but coupled with absolutely horrid customer service and the wup and the alleged having to re-buy the license if you buy a new computer, has left a very acrid taste in the mouths of waves and potential waves customers alike.

add the latter in with the former and i think it makes sense why the waves haters exist.

gracias

GilWave · 20th August 2007, 05:30 AM

There are a lot of cool things happening at Empirical Labs, and none of them involve Waves.

Rest assured, our customers (and our customer service) always come first. ELI will not release any product that does not live up to Dave Derr's high standards. There is a reason why it takes years between product introductions - Dave is meticulous, and fussy, and approaches every product design with great dedication and passion.

You will not be disappointed with his future product releases.

-gil

Fretbored · 20th August 2007, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GilWave

There are a lot of cool things happening at Empirical Labs, and none of them involve Waves.

Rest assured, our customers (and our customer service) always come first. ELI will not release any product that does not live up to Dave Derr's high standards. There is a reason why it takes years between product introductions - Dave is meticulous, and fussy, and approaches every product design with great dedication and passion.

You will not be disappointed with his future product releases.

-gil

Well, to be honest with you, I believe this topic is fueled by Waves and their sneaky behavior toward studio owners. It's having a negative impact on the honest studio owners who pay for ever plug they have on their computer. When someone shows up at your studio with a hidden agenda to charge $16,000. or sue you for pirating software, it reminds us business people of the IRS. I don't endorse pirating at all, but right now, it seems that Waves is devoting more time to catching criminals than developing better plug-ins.

superburtm · 20th August 2007, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GilWave

There are a lot of cool things happening at Empirical Labs, and none of them involve Waves.

Rest assured, our customers (and our customer service) always come first. ELI will not release any product that does not live up to Dave Derr's high standards. There is a reason why it takes years between product introductions - Dave is meticulous, and fussy, and approaches every product design with great dedication and passion.

You will not be disappointed with his future product releases.

-gil

Mind-Over-Midi · 20th August 2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superburtm

I really hope Empirical Labs is the last great hope and doesn't sellout and join WAVES

to make the distressor plug in and the fatso plug in. PLEASE don't enable waves to make another single dollar! I really am saddened to see API buying into this crap

Man you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about Waves. I seen your other posts on other threads concerning Waves. Just a suggestion, no offense intended but, maybe you should get out of the studio for a while, this stuff ain't that serious. Time to think about getting a life, this obsession you have is unhealthy. I have three plugin bundles from Waves and they work for me, but if I felt the way you do it would be so easy just to not buy from them. It's not like there are no other options out there, just go and buy something else, end of story. Some guy PM'ed me once, because I use Waves, and tried to convince me that I should dump my plugs, he even went so far as to compare Waves business practices to Apartheid! Being a black guy, I found his comparison very offensive, tho I never told him so. Anyway there are many worthy things that you could start a crusade over, the war in Iraq, genocide in Dar-four, Free Taiwan, lots of worthy causes, lets all hate Waves ain't one of them. IMHO, YMMV. Rant over.

superburtm · 20th August 2007, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mind-Over-Midi

Man you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about Waves. I seen your other posts on other threads concerning Waves. Just a suggestion, no offense intended but, maybe you should get out of the studio for a while, this stuff ain't that serious. Time to think about getting a life, this obsession you have is unhealthy. I have three plugin bundles from Waves and they work for me, but if I felt the way you do it would be so easy just to not buy from them. It's not like there are no other options out there, just go and buy something else, end of story. Some guy PM'ed me once, because I use Waves, and tried to convince me that I should dump my plugs, he even went so far as to compare Waves business practices to Apartheid! Being a black guy, I found his comparison very offensive, tho I never told him so. Anyway there are many worthy things that you could start a crusade over, the war in Iraq, genocide in Dar-four, Free Taiwan, lots of worthy causes, lets all hate Waves ain't one of them. IMHO, YMMV. Rant over.

haha

yeah I am taking some time off from the crusade currently

I shall speak no more of Waves EVER

Mind-Over-Midi · 20th August 2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fretbored

Well, to be honest with you, I believe this topic is fueled by Waves and their sneaky behavior toward studio owners. It's having a negative impact on the honest studio owners who pay for ever plug they have on their computer. When someone shows up at your studio with a hidden agenda to charge $16,000. or sue you for pirating software, it reminds us business people of the IRS. I don't endorse pirating at all, but right now, it seems that Waves is devoting more time to catching criminals than developing better plug-ins.

If your car was up for sale, but before you could sell it, someone stole it, wouldn't you want it back, or at least be compensated for it? Same exact thing. Good for Waves! I'm a honest studio owner and it has absolutely zero negative impact on me because everything in my studio is paid for, so Waves, Digi, or anyone else is welcome to come have a peak and have a cup of coffee on me, nothing to hide here, everything fully licensed and completely paid for.

narcoman · 20th August 2007, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superburtm

haha

yeah I am taking some time off from the crusade currently

I shall speak no more of Waves EVER

Waves stuff is (generally) excellent as far as plugins currently go. I have URS, heck even endorse them - but Waves does tend to have the edge plug for plug.

They suck at business (although not THAT bad) and they suck that they unfortunately operate under the Israeli governement. But thats another story and is hardly their fault.

Fretbored · 20th August 2007, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mind-Over-Midi

If your car was up for sale, but before you could sell it, someone stole it, wouldn't you want it back, or at least be compensated for it? Same exact thing. Good for Waves! I'm a honest studio owner and it has absolutely zero negative impact on me because everything in my studio is paid for, so Waves, Digi, or anyone else is welcome to come have a peak and have a cup of coffee on me, nothing to hide here, everything fully licensed and completely paid for.

As I stated earlier, I don't endorse piracy. I pay for EVERYTHING. I don't even know how people pirate software. This is just my assessment.

dj_who · 20th August 2007, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GilWave

You will not be disappointed with his future product releases.

-gil

what ? EL is coming out with some new stuff ?

so does anyone know what that might be?

i'm definitely getting a distressor when i can afford one.

that will probably be my only REAL comp for a long time.

oh..btw, f@#k waves. f@#k wup. a company that suffers from piracy still does not have a right to extort its customers.

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18th August 2007, 10:08 AM	#1
superburtm Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,381	Empirical Labs please holdout I really hope Empirical Labs is the last great hope and doesn't sellout and join WAVES to make the distressor plug in and the fatso plug in. PLEASE don't enable waves to make another single dollar! I really am saddened to see API buying into this crap

18th August 2007, 12:02 PM	#2
andrewj Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hamburg (Wellingsbuettel), G-Many Posts: 1,051	i think waves should recreate something easier first! perhaps something from behringer ! to me they could not even recreate the URS pluggies! __________________ Interface: MIO 2882 PreAmps: Averill 1272, Fletcher P10 Compressor: Smart C2M, EL Fatso Summing Mixer: Sumo Monitors: Klein & Hummel O300 Microphone: Audix D6, Audix i-5, Audix OM-2s, CAD E-350, Beyerdynamic M160, Beyerdynamic MC930, Peluso 22 47 Outboard FX: Lexicon PCM 81, PCM 91, Ensoniq DP4+ DAW: Intel Mac, MOTU DP 5, Apple Logic 8, Cubase 4.1, Ableton Live 7, Celemony Melodyne 3, URS & Waves Plugins

18th August 2007, 02:28 PM	#6
Killahurts Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,310	I'm waiting for Waves to release an emulation of the classic L1 limiter... __________________ 1310 is as good a number as any

18th August 2007, 06:59 PM	#11
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	Ok!! I want to understand this: If Waves can make a Distressor o Fatso Plug in: a- if sound as good as the hardware!!! great!!!! that's what technology is all about!!! b-and if does not sound as good....so the owners could feel that their investment was worth it! I wonder if most of you guys would prefer to be without a DAW...just because they copied the concept of a console and a tape recorder. ..I do not think is wrong...just technology anyway I think always may be a difference in sound and you could take your own decitions of what ypu prefer to buy.... But if currently Empirical Labs owners feel offended because they bought the real thing at a higher price ...maybe would be a good idea to give a special discount to registered hardware owners(that could apply to other companies too) ... Empirical Labs is a great company with excelent products and if is true the rumour here..I am sure they may try to achieve a great emulation of their awesome products!! __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

18th August 2007, 02:10 PM	#5
lowfreq33 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,895	Waves plugins- Wave business practices- I'll never buy anything from them.

18th August 2007, 03:34 PM	#7
Goliath\|Audio Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Misshiggin Posts: 548	And the dumbest part of the whole thing, the distressor is digital. I love the fact that guys are so bent on making sure their whole studio is analog this, that and everything. If they are using the same chips, they easily could port it over to HD.

18th August 2007, 03:43 PM	#8
jondoe1972 Gear Head Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 56	The distressor is analog. Some of the parameters may be digitally controlled, but the audio path is analog all the way! Or am I misunderstanding something?

19th August 2007, 01:33 AM	#16
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	I think the wup is not so bad now. and I think many people for some reasom make Waves look like evil.....Native instruments have the Komplete Care !! Anyway....I think Waves is one of the few companies that can do a good emulation....o do you prefer a bad emulation but without the name Waves on it? I rather don't have anything!! __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

20th August 2007, 05:30 AM	#19
GilWave Lives for gear Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey, Exit 55 Posts: 1,475	There are a lot of cool things happening at Empirical Labs, and none of them involve Waves. Rest assured, our customers (and our customer service) always come first. ELI will not release any product that does not live up to Dave Derr's high standards. There is a reason why it takes years between product introductions - Dave is meticulous, and fussy, and approaches every product design with great dedication and passion. You will not be disappointed with his future product releases. -gil __________________ www.wavedistribution.com Ringwood New Jersey USA "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Winston Churchill