Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist

[lpkyer]

Boy I'm so disapointed!

Terry Date and Roy Thomas Baker mixed that? Are you kidding me? Sounds like it took 30 minutes to mix the whole thing. And 2 days to record.
This band is so dead.

[theblotted]

you heard the whole album already?

the new track, Doomsday Clock, reminds me of a Zero single b-side.

i too hate the mix tho.

[DBArnold]

Originally Posted by lpkyer

This band is so dead.

I would have to say I have not heard the new album or the new mix and I respect billy corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin for the musicianship, but....no james no darcy no thank you

[lpkyer]

Originally Posted by theblotted

you heard the whole album already?

Yes...Doomsday and Tarantula are actually some of the best songs..go figure...

[DontLetMeDrown]

I've heard Tarantula on the radio and it is so frickin disappointing. I haven't been this disappointed since the day I realized that Mellon Collie was 50% crap. I mean, cmon-- a Smashing Pumpkin comeback and they give us this?!?!?! Even despite their past success, I don't know how this damn song got on the radio. I must be absolutely clueless as a songwriter if this is any kind of indication of what is acceptable to be played on the air.

Here is my official review: Y U C K !!

If you are telling me that this is one of the best songs, I guess I have no reason to pick up the new album. So sad...

[Jonboy79]

I just listened to Doomsday whatever on the stereo and I even ran out to the car to make sure what I was hearing was right. The mix is kind of shitty. IMHO I've done better mixes and my mixes are usually shit. The snare seemed especially craptastic. It seemed to go from a reverby playing in the corner of a warehouse sound to right in your face and not in a good way. It wasn't like part of the song the snare was one way and part it was another it was like every 3rd hit. IDK, after getting into recording it's hard to listen to stuff and not break it down like that so maybe I'm just looking too deep into it. Definately not what I was expecting from a fairly decent band.

[Stitch333]

Gish was and still is a GREAT album...

[tsvisser]

I used to love the pumpkins... they started rocking right out of the gate... Gish being one of their better albums. Siamese Dream was very solid too. MCATIS was pretty cool too, as far as guitar textures and the actual songs... but was the beginning of the end.

I don't know Billy, I'm sure he is an excellent musician and who knows what's true and what's not as far as heresay and other's comments.... and unless you are them, who really cares anyways? But I do know that I have not liked anything from the Pumpkins "recently". You said it, no James, no Darcy, its just not the Pumpkins.

I think what James is doing on his own and his label efforts are much more interesting than anything that the Pumpkins could possibly do at this point in time. What IS Darcy doing? Is she working on anything or with anyone?

[GravityRobert]

I personally think this album has quite a lot of good songs on, theres just a couple weird ones that kinda break the album in half. I like Tarantula, Bleeding the Orchid, Starz, Doomsday Clock, Come on lets go.

Originally Posted by tsvisser

What IS Darcy doing? Is she working on anything or with anyone?

According to this website I read, if I remember well enough, she breeds showhorses on her farm (quite succesfully too) where she has retired with her fiancee.

[SoundEng1]

Originally Posted by lpkyer

Boy I'm so disapointed!

Terry Date and Roy Thomas Baker mixed that? Are you kidding me? Sounds like it took 30 minutes to mix the whole thing. And 2 days to record.
This band is so dead.

I couldnt agree more! dfegad Crap!

[SoundEng1]

Originally Posted by Carbon Leaf

I would have to say I have not heard the new album or the new mix and I respect billy corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin for the musicianship, but....no james no darcy no thank you

What kind of a comeback is this? No James! No D'arcy! Comon!!

[bricktiger]

this album is pure shit. **** billy corgan.

[GravityRobert]

Originally Posted by SoundEng1

What kind of a comeback is this? No James! No Darcy! Comon!!

James, okay, but as far as my knowledge goes D'arcy didnt had too much influence on the music. To me, its about Jimmy and Billy........

[hangman]

Originally Posted by bricktiger

this album is pure shit. **** billy corgan.

um... don't get too upset at billy corgan, all he did was make another bad album. don't know why everyone is so upset... the last few SP albums weren't that good either. Zwan kinda blew... why was everyone expecting anything short of this?

[GravityRobert]

http://www.m-audio.com/images/global...immyCFinal.mov

[orez_lived]

yea, seriously. Billy just doesn't have it anymore, and it was pretty hit and miss when he did. you can only take that kind of thing so far.

[Methlab]

I loved D'arcy but she didnt even play on the records.

Only thing I like about the new pumpkins is the guitars sound cool as usual.

[AlexLakis]

Originally Posted by lpkyer

Yes...Doomsday and Tarantula are actually some of the best songs..go figure...

Just like Machina, only worse.

Gish, Siamese Dream, and Melon Collie are three of my favorite albums. I own over thirty hard-copy Pumpkins discs. They used to be my favorite band.

Then their keyboard player OD'd, Jimmy was kicked out, and it all went to sh*t. Every subsequent album has been horribly mediocre compared to their first three efforts. This album is, quite possibly, the worst of them all (Zwan included!)

First off, it sounds sub-par considering the talent behind the project. I was dissapointed. It sounds like a garage "demo" to me. Bad production too, the backup vocals sound very amateurish, and the whole album could be re-done vocally.

Secondly, Corgan continues his endless tirade of mediocre, uninspired, half-assed songwriting. If your voice is getting even more and more intolerable, you should try to write better songs, not worse songs! I wonder: Does anybody actually think that Billy Corgan thinks that any song off of Adore, Machina, or Zeitgeist is better than any one of his songs off of the Pumpkins' first three albums? Cuz if he does, he's even more gone than he enjoys letting on. I mean, maybe "Stand Inside Your Love" is better than "Cupid De Locke," but that's about it!

I won't bother going into a track-by-track analysis, it's not worth the time.

The Pumpkins are still, in my mind, one of the greatest bands of all time. Billy is an amazing guitarist too (extremely under-rated in this respect.) They just lost their way.

P.S. James Iha didn't play on the majority of their recorded material either.

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by AlexLakis

Just like Machina, only worse.

Gish, Siamese Dream, and Melon Collie are three of my favorite albums. I own over thirty hard-copy Pumpkins discs. They used to be my favorite band.

Then their keyboard player OD'd, Jimmy was kicked out, and it all went to sh*t. Every subsequent album has been horribly mediocre compared to their first three efforts. This album is, quite possibly, the worst of them all (Zwan included!)

First off, it sounds sub-par considering the talent behind the project. I was dissapointed. It sounds like a garage "demo" to me. Bad production too, the backup vocals sound very amateurish, and the whole album could be re-done vocally.

Secondly, Corgan continues his endless tirade of mediocre, uninspired, half-assed songwriting. If your voice is getting even more and more intolerable, you should try to write better songs, not worse songs! I wonder: Does anybody actually think that Billy Corgan thinks that any song off of Adore, Machina, or Zeitgeist is better than any one of his songs off of the Pumpkins' first three albums? Cuz if he does, he's even more gone than he enjoys letting on. I mean, maybe "Stand Inside Your Love" is better than "Cupid De Locke," but that's about it!

I won't bother going into a track-by-track analysis, it's not worth the time.

The Pumpkins are still, in my mind, one of the greatest bands of all time. Billy is an amazing guitarist too (extremely under-rated in this respect.) They just lost their way.

P.S. James Iha didn't play on the majority of their recorded material either.

i completely agree.

sounds like we had the same upbringing, Pumpkins used to be my all-time fav as well. i got almost all of their songs ever released, major and bootleg wise, as well as interviews, live shows, demo's etc.

SP started to lose it around Mellon-Collie. someone mentioned Flood may have to do with this?

altho, "i of the Mourning" is a brilliant track.

SP just need to get Butch Vig back into the mix.

[AlexLakis]

I liked the singles offa Machina, and "I of the Mourning," "Heavy Metal Machine," and "Glass and the Ghost Children" were okay for me (you know, compared to the rest of the crap people are putting out these days.)

I don't think even Butch could save Corgan now, he's just not writing like he used to. The magic is gone.

[DontLetMeDrown]

You know what is really interesting? I was listening to the radio last weekend and on the countdown, Tarantula was NUMBER 1?!? WTF!?!? It must be time for me to retire!

[AlexLakis]

Originally Posted by DontLetMeDrown

You know what is really interesting? I was listening to the radio last weekend and on the countdown, Tarantula was NUMBER 1?!? WTF!?!? It must be time for me to retire!

An affront to Photoshopping, I know, but your comment inspired me to express myself in ways I'm not accustomed to...

[heyman]

Kind of like going to see Kiss in makeup Concert and seeing that schmuk dressed up as Ace Frehley..


Same with Van Halen...

No Michael Anthony.. no money leaving my pocket..

[bgrotto]

Whoa. Heh . I'm listening to "Doomsday Clock" from their Myspace page (I know, terrible codec...it's the best I can do right now). I didn't think it sounded THAT bad, till the vocals come in, at which point I literally said "whoa" out loud. Not a good "whoa".

Does anyone else hear the vocals pumping the mix/masteringi compressor?

Ugh.

Very disappointing indeed.

[HIGHENDONLY]

Originally Posted by AlexLakis

Just like Machina, only worse.

Gish, Siamese Dream, and Melon Collie are three of my favorite albums. I own over thirty hard-copy Pumpkins discs. They used to be my favorite band.

Then their keyboard player OD'd, Jimmy was kicked out, and it all went to sh*t. Every subsequent album has been horribly mediocre compared to their first three efforts. This album is, quite possibly, the worst of them all (Zwan included!)

First off, it sounds sub-par considering the talent behind the project. I was dissapointed. It sounds like a garage "demo" to me. Bad production too, the backup vocals sound very amateurish, and the whole album could be re-done vocally.

Secondly, Corgan continues his endless tirade of mediocre, uninspired, half-assed songwriting. If your voice is getting even more and more intolerable, you should try to write better songs, not worse songs! I wonder: Does anybody actually think that Billy Corgan thinks that any song off of Adore, Machina, or Zeitgeist is better than any one of his songs off of the Pumpkins' first three albums? Cuz if he does, he's even more gone than he enjoys letting on. I mean, maybe "Stand Inside Your Love" is better than "Cupid De Locke," but that's about it!

I won't bother going into a track-by-track analysis, it's not worth the time.

The Pumpkins are still, in my mind, one of the greatest bands of all time. Billy is an amazing guitarist too (extremely under-rated in this respect.) They just lost their way.

P.S. James Iha didn't play on the majority of their recorded material either.

Hey Alex i think cause of being on drugs for soo long, they lost focus and just can't produce the kinda level of greatness as they use to.

[GravityRobert]

Originally Posted by HIGHENDONLY

Hey Alex i think cause of being on drugs for soo long, they lost focus and just can't produce the kinda level of greatness as they use to.

I hope you're not talking about Jimmy Chamberlin though because he STILL is one of the sharpest and most exciting drummers out there tuttthumbsup

[ToddF]

Huge fan here. Going to get the new album today.
So far I been let down with the new songs. I always am hoping for something great to come out on par with the other albums.

I was a fan of Zwan. I thought it was a great record overall.

We will see if the other tracks on the new album are better than what I have heard so far.

I will be going to the show hopefully. Tickets have been selling out fast.

I saw the Siamese Dream show at 1st. Avenue club in Minneapolis and it still stands out as one of the best shows I have ever seen.

Peace Todd

[heyman]

I was dating a girl from pittsburgh at the time Zwan was touring. We were at a bar in Pittsburgh and Zwan was in town and my girlfreinds sister was asked out by Billy Corgan..
She didnt know who he was..

I would have killed to meet him..

[Jax]

Originally Posted by Carbon Leaf

but....no james no darcy no thank you

At least the girl they got now is cuter than Darcy. I'm sure she can play all the old stuff just as well, too.

[Diskordia]

wasn't too impressed by what i first started hearing before the album came out..first listen to the album i was a bit shocked by how high the vox were in the mix..and the layering. but the worked with queens producer so go figure..i'm getting used to it with repeated listens

the new songs still sound like pumpkins..sounds like a natural evolution of what corgan has done since machina..yes i can hear Zwan and the Future Embrace in there. thats no bad in my opinion..songs are still better than 90% of whats on the radio anyway. what i think is missing is corgans "inner-demon." since machina he can't (won't) scream like he used to..no more angst

and i don't know why everyone rips on Adore and Machina. I love em both..they are not full of top hit pop songs..does that make em bad?
and Machina 2 is even better..proof that good songs are still good with shitty recordings

gish has been around for so long..its a good album..but im kinda bored with it...sounds like a young band...and who wants a band to sound the same forever anyway?