Software Police on Patrol... - Page 9

henryrobinett · 22nd August 2007, 02:05 AM

manthe! Hey man!

Well I have to agree with you strongly on this one. I've never understood this case against UAD. Number one: they have, what are to my ears, the best plugs out there. And two: they run on their own power. Three: I only have two cards and have yet to run out of power. I mean I don't ONLY use UAD on mixes and my computer is moderately powerful, being a Dual 2.7. But DAMN, I stopped using Waves because I just didn't particularly like them, especially for the price. To me the UAD is a complete no brainer.

But you know, to each his or her own.

noiseflaw · 22nd August 2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrox247

What about the "Don't be a dick" act of 1987 which strictly prohibits the use of dickey behavior in any musical setting.

Lol, guess we better close down the Gearslutz forum then.

manthe and henry, I hear ya.

Waves are still on the right track though (no pun intended), now if UAD could up their DSP.....

Better get this thread back on topic.

Have you guys been visited from any one at UAD yet asking subtle but probing questions about how many instances of the 33609 Compressor you are able to use?

manthe · 22nd August 2007, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryrobinett

manthe! Hey man!

Well I have to agree with you strongly on this one. I've never understood this case against UAD. Number one: they have, what are to my ears, the best plugs out there. And two: they run on their own power. Three: I only have two cards and have yet to run out of power. I mean I don't ONLY use UAD on mixes and my computer is moderately powerful, being a Dual 2.7. But DAMN, I stopped using Waves because I just didn't particularly like them, especially for the price. To me the UAD is a complete no brainer.

But you know, to each his or her own.

Henry! How's things?
One more....2 more OT things to add

UA is a GREAT company to work with. Courteous, understanding, helpful and fast support and customer service. They've even reset trials for twice!

Also, When I compared the Waves SSL to the DUende, I preferred the Duende. I know they went after different consoles, but the the sound of the Duende ultimately won out for me. I know I can (probably) run fewer instances, I also know I am one of the luckt ones for whom the Duende actually works properly!)

PS - Henry, I STILL have that card! I tried it with M-Powered but it was way flakey on my machine. I broke down and bought an MBox2 Pro (I needed 96k). I HATED spending that much for the ability to convert projects but.....oh waiut...we're b1tching about Waves, right? Not Digi...

zak7 · 22nd August 2007, 04:07 PM

[quote=LogicUser;1374376]Well, most likely your mates should have read the license agreement before they download an "evaluation" copy in order to get a paid job! It explicitly states:

"Moreover, you expressly agree that you shall use SOFTWARE during the DEMONSTRATION PERIOD only for purposes of evaluation of the SOFTWARE, and not for any commercial use."
http://www.waves.com/objects/pdf/gen..._Agreement.pdf

Piracy is one thing...but

wait but this is not similar when a Prositute think one guy is a Cop and the cop have to say yes!!! if he arrested her denying is a Cop ,,,,is against the law....is a Trap!!!! so here putting that add saying"if you have waves plug ins I work with you" is kind of forcing and encouriging to download the demo! ......os who is more guilty? the ignoratnts who did not read the license agreement..O waves that set the situation??

Anyway even if was paid..I do not think an newbie in the audio biz can even charge $300 buck to record a song,,,that do not cover any Waves product...so to charge $20,000 is a bit to much.....

zak7 · 22nd August 2007, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studiopl

Just on a little off topic, my mate who is a pro audio dealer has told me not to buy anymore Waves plug-ins (even though I would buy them from his company) since "there long term support is looking very shaky".
I don't own any waves stuff but was interested in the SSL bundle until then, but if WUP and support stopped I would be stuck if something went wrong.
Anyone else know anything about this, I've asked on other boards but no one knows.
studiopl

I think is not so bad now! for$200 bucks a year you cool get the API, SSL, V Series if you owned some of the big bundles!
<TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width=584><TBODY><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d2d2d0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=194>Product</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px" width=194>MSRP</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px" width=194>Waves Update Plan</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e1dfe0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Native Power Pack</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$500</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">10% $50</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d2d2d0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Gold Native</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$1,300</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">8% $104</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e1dfe0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Platinum Native</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$2,100</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">7% $147</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d2d2d0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Platinum TDM</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$4,200</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">4.8% $200</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e1dfe0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Diamond TDM</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$7,000</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">2.86% $200</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d2d2d0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Mercury TDM</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$12,500</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">1.6% $200</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

wallace · 22nd August 2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrox247

What about the "Don't be a dick" act of 1987 which strictly prohibits the use of dickey behavior in any musical setting.

Love it!

studiopl · 22nd August 2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zak7

I think is not so bad now! for$200 bucks a year you cool get the API, SSL, V Series if you owned some of the big bundles!
<TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width=584><TBODY><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d2d2d0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=194>Product</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px" width=194>MSRP</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px" width=194>Waves Update Plan</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e1dfe0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Native Power Pack</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$500</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">10% $50</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d2d2d0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Gold Native</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$1,300</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">8% $104</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e1dfe0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Platinum Native</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$2,100</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">7% $147</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d2d2d0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Platinum TDM</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$4,200</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">4.8% $200</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e1dfe0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Diamond TDM</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$7,000</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">2.86% $200</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d2d2d0"><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Mercury TDM</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">$12,500</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 7px">1.6% $200</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I was not really worried about paying for WUP (but I do think it is a bit like a ransom), it was more the fact that if waves shut down and I had brought the SSL bundle, what would happen if something went wrong with my software? I'm going to hold off buying until it looks like things settle down, I don't have money to risk.
Many thanks
studiopl

noiseflaw · 22nd August 2007, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studiopl

... I'm going to hold off buying until it looks like things settle down, I don't have money to risk.
Many thanks
studiopl

Dude, do you have any basis for this story about Waves, if you do reveal it - if you do not wtf are you suggesting?

Are you starting a pernicious rumour here?...

studiopl · 22nd August 2007, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

Dude, do you have any basis for this story about Waves, if you do reveal it - if you do not wtf are you suggesting?

Are you starting a pernicious rumour here?...

No 'dude', the only basis I have is what a friend who sells audio software said to me. All I am doing is asking if anyone knows anything. 'wtf' is wrong with that? Most people have been helpful.
studiopl

noiseflaw · 22nd August 2007, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studiopl

No 'dude', the only basis I have is what a friend who sells audio software said to me. All I am doing is asking if anyone knows anything. 'wtf' is wrong with that? Most people have been helpful.
studiopl

Well I guess this is a question best posted in the So much gear, so little time! forum.

If you friend cannot reasonably qualify what seems like a 'bombshell' assertion it may well be completely unfounded.

Still he could be right, and it may be true.

If you ask on the other forum you will likely get a quick answer or start WW3

backplay · 22nd August 2007, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zak7

I think is not so bad now! for$200 bucks a year you cool get the API, SSL, V Series if you owned some of the big bundles!
<table style="border-collapse: collapse; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" width="584"><tbody><tr style="background-color: rgb(210, 210, 208);"><td style="padding-left: 7px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-top: 3px;" width="194">Product</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;" width="194">MSRP</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;" width="194">Waves Update Plan</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(225, 223, 224);"><td style="padding-left: 7px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-top: 3px;">Native Power Pack</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">$500</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">10% $50</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(210, 210, 208);"><td style="padding-left: 7px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-top: 3px;">Gold Native</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">$1,300</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">8% $104</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(225, 223, 224);"><td style="padding-left: 7px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-top: 3px;">Platinum Native</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">$2,100</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">7% $147</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(210, 210, 208);"><td style="padding-left: 7px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-top: 3px;">Platinum TDM</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">$4,200</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">4.8% $200</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(225, 223, 224);"><td style="padding-left: 7px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-top: 3px;">Diamond TDM</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">$7,000</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">2.86% $200</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(210, 210, 208);"><td style="padding-left: 7px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-top: 3px;">Mercury TDM</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">$12,500</td><td style="padding-left: 7px;">1.6% $200</td></tr></tbody></table>

What??? You think thats not bad

Well, i'm glad you are happy with renting plugs. I'd rather buy them.

vixapphire · 23rd August 2007, 02:04 AM

would you pay $12,500 down on an auto lease? yeesh, that's some baaaad wampum, kimo sabe.

Free The Bee · 30th August 2007, 12:43 PM

Waves are proving themselves too greedy…
Some of you may remember the story from my earlier of a friend who was caught by the spies… quick recap; an Israeli band wanted to finish their recordings in his new studio but requested

waves, which he didn’t have. He got a tryout copy of

from the net and demoed it to the (fake) band saying (from the secret tape) “I’ve never actually used it”. When questioned further he said he had

Bundle as well but when asked for proof he couldn’t provide any because he was making it up to secure the client.

Waves demanded nearly US$10,000.
Hands up, on the advice of his solicitor he offered them everything the studio had, $4,000, for licence of

plus costs.

Waves turned that down and are now asking for around $12,000 including $4,000 for damages (What damages!). That’s about $6,000 more than the company is worth.
What are

Waves hoping to achieve with this. This was a small studio run from a home garage, not a big corporate studio that charges stupid amounts of money.

superburtm · 30th August 2007, 12:50 PM

ah yes..blood from a stone.
Sorry to hear that

Stratgirl · 30th August 2007, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free The Bee

Waves demanded nearly US$10,000.
Hands up, on the advice of his solicitor he offered them everything the studio had, $4,000, for licence of

plus costs.

Waves turned that down and are now asking for around $12,000 including $4,000 for damages (What damages!). That’s about $6,000 more than the company is worth.

Sounds like he needs to find a solicitor with bigger balls.

dlmorley · 30th August 2007, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stratgirl

Sounds like he needs to find a solicitor with bigger balls.

Or just a good one who told him to tell waves to bugger off.. If he never used the trial version on a session and their reason for wanting him to buy a license is because blagged about owning a package when he didn't, then waves really will be laughed out of court.
If any of this is true of course...

jhamburg · 30th August 2007, 01:28 PM

As someone who was visited by the SoftPolice, I'm mostly concerned with the ethical implications of their agents surreptitiously filming and taping the conversations.

It's certainly unethical to record a conversation without the consent of the third party. Sadly it does not seem to be illegal in NY.

(from www.rfcp.org)

Of the 50 states, 38, as well as the District of Columbia, allow you to record a conversation to which you are a party without informing the other parties you are doing so. Federal wiretap statutes also permit one-party-consent recording of telephone conversations in most circumstances. (footnote cited)

Twelve states forbid the recording of private conversations without the consent of all parties. Those states are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. (footnote cited)

If anyone had a visit in one of those states they would have some added legal recourse.

I personally plan on complaining to their lobbying firm in DC.

all the best,

joel

s0nguy · 30th August 2007, 03:47 PM

waves

they'll never see another RED cent from me.

-s0nguy

Sugarnutz · 30th August 2007, 04:20 PM

I wonder if someone, a legal expert so to speak could make up a disclaimer/release stating that you do not have any unauthorized software to your knowledge and any demonstration versions on their computers are strickly that, demonstration versions. This agreement would also release and hold harmless the property owner from any liability if unauthorized plugz/software were found on the studios computer and that any video or recording of the facilities could not be used in a court of law and the only remedy available is the removal of said software. Have anybody that comes in to use/checkout the studio sign this release. If the person that works for waves or thier legal reprensentive signs this it should hold up as they are an agent for the company handling this. Just like the terms of use on the software, you would have your own terms of use before entering the studio, post it on the wall at the entrance in big letters and let everybody know that you won't tolerate customers/engineers putting "Warez" on your computers. One of the key elements is intent (I have been watching Law & Order) and if you show you are diligent in trying to prevent unauthorized software usage in your place, you can get out of it if you ever go to court.

Stratgirl · 30th August 2007, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarnutz

I wonder if someone, a legal expert so to speak could make up a disclaimer/release stating that you do not have any unauthorized software to your knowledge and any demonstration versions on their computers are strickly that, demonstration versions. This agreement would also release and hold harmless the property owner from any liability if unauthorized plugz/software were found on the studios computer and that any video or recording of the facilities could not be used in a court of law and the only remedy available is the removal of said software. Have anybody that comes in to use/checkout the studio sign this release. If the person that works for waves or thier legal reprensentive signs this it should hold up as they are an agent for the company handling this. Just like the terms of use on the software, you would have your own terms of use before entering the studio, post it on the wall at the entrance in big letters and let everybody know that you won't tolerate customers/engineers putting "Warez" on your computers. One of the key elements is intent (I have been watching Law & Order) and if you show you are diligent in trying to prevent unauthorized software usage in your place, you can get out of it if you ever go to court.

Yea, see the end of my post on page 3, #75. Unfortunately you're gonna freak out & kill the "vibe" for every artist that wants to record at your place by throwing a stack of papers in front of 'em to sign. And if their lawyers are good enough, they'll find a way around it. But it seems like this is what he world is turning into lately

Free The Bee · 31st August 2007, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarnutz

I wonder if someone, a legal expert so to speak could make up a disclaimer/release stating that you do not have any unauthorized software to your knowledge and any demonstration versions on their computers are strickly that, demonstration versions. This agreement would also release and hold harmless the property owner from any liability if unauthorized plugz/software were found on the studios computer and that any video or recording of the facilities could not be used in a court of law and the only remedy available is the removal of said software. Have anybody that comes in to use/checkout the studio sign this release. If the person that works for waves or thier legal reprensentive signs this it should hold up as they are an agent for the company handling this. Just like the terms of use on the software, you would have your own terms of use before entering the studio, post it on the wall at the entrance in big letters and let everybody know that you won't tolerate customers/engineers putting "Warez" on your computers. One of the key elements is intent (I have been watching Law & Order) and if you show you are diligent in trying to prevent unauthorized software usage in your place, you can get out of it if you ever go to court.

You wouldn't need to get them to sign it as such... like with software "by opening this package you agree too..." you could pin a note to the door and write "By entering this studio you agree too..."

Stratgirl · 31st August 2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free The Bee

You wouldn't need to get them to sign it as such... like with software "by opening this package you agree too..." you could pin a note to the door and write "By entering this studio you agree too..."

Won't work. Man, i'd reeallly like to see one of these collection notices (U.S. studio location). Anyone want to black out their personal info and post one?

Free The Bee · 4th September 2007, 01:37 PM

Does anyone know if any of these

Waves cases have actually gone to court or if

Waves have accepted anyones out of court settlement?

Stratgirl · 4th September 2007, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free The Bee

Does anyone know if any of these

Waves cases have actually gone to court or if

Waves have accepted anyones out of court settlement?

They're accepting settlements. Bust last time I checked (last month or so) no court actions have been filed (In U.S. Federal Courts).

**Jules** · 4th September 2007, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stratgirl

Won't work. Man, i'd reeallly like to see one of these collection notices (U.S. studio location). Anyone want to black out their personal info and post one?

No thanks -

Email em to each other whatever..

But don't post them here..

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henryrobinett Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 5,908	manthe! Hey man! Well I have to agree with you strongly on this one. I've never understood this case against UAD. Number one: they have, what are to my ears, the best plugs out there. And two: they run on their own power. Three: I only have two cards and have yet to run out of power. I mean I don't ONLY use UAD on mixes and my computer is moderately powerful, being a Dual 2.7. But DAMN, I stopped using Waves because I just didn't particularly like them, especially for the price. To me the UAD is a complete no brainer. But you know, to each his or her own. __________________ All the best, Henry Robinett

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Sugarnutz Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lake Cormorant, MS Posts: 415	I wonder if someone, a legal expert so to speak could make up a disclaimer/release stating that you do not have any unauthorized software to your knowledge and any demonstration versions on their computers are strickly that, demonstration versions. This agreement would also release and hold harmless the property owner from any liability if unauthorized plugz/software were found on the studios computer and that any video or recording of the facilities could not be used in a court of law and the only remedy available is the removal of said software. Have anybody that comes in to use/checkout the studio sign this release. If the person that works for waves or thier legal reprensentive signs this it should hold up as they are an agent for the company handling this. Just like the terms of use on the software, you would have your own terms of use before entering the studio, post it on the wall at the entrance in big letters and let everybody know that you won't tolerate customers/engineers putting "Warez" on your computers. One of the key elements is intent (I have been watching Law & Order) and if you show you are diligent in trying to prevent unauthorized software usage in your place, you can get out of it if you ever go to court. __________________ My standard response to all questions and requests for an opinion: "I'll have to check with my Dad about that one. He knows everything, Mom says he's a Know-It-All."

22nd August 2007, 04:07 PM	#244
zak7 Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 359	[quote=LogicUser;1374376]Well, most likely your mates should have read the license agreement before they download an "evaluation" copy in order to get a paid job! It explicitly states: "Moreover, you expressly agree that you shall use SOFTWARE during the DEMONSTRATION PERIOD only for purposes of evaluation of the SOFTWARE, and not for any commercial use." http://www.waves.com/objects/pdf/gen..._Agreement.pdf Piracy is one thing...but wait but this is not similar when a Prositute think one guy is a Cop and the cop have to say yes!!! if he arrested her denying is a Cop ,,,,is against the law....is a Trap!!!! so here putting that add saying"if you have waves plug ins I work with you" is kind of forcing and encouriging to download the demo! ......os who is more guilty? the ignoratnts who did not read the license agreement..O waves that set the situation?? Anyway even if was paid..I do not think an newbie in the audio biz can even charge $300 buck to record a song,,,that do not cover any Waves product...so to charge $20,000 is a bit to much.....

30th August 2007, 12:43 PM	#253
Free The Bee Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11	Waves are proving themselves too greedy… Some of you may remember the story from my earlier of a friend who was caught by the spies… quick recap; an Israeli band wanted to finish their recordings in his new studio but requested waves, which he didn’t have. He got a tryout copy of from the net and demoed it to the (fake) band saying (from the secret tape) “I’ve never actually used it”. When questioned further he said he had Bundle as well but when asked for proof he couldn’t provide any because he was making it up to secure the client. Waves demanded nearly US$10,000. Hands up, on the advice of his solicitor he offered them everything the studio had, $4,000, for licence of plus costs. Waves turned that down and are now asking for around $12,000 including $4,000 for damages (What damages!). That’s about $6,000 more than the company is worth. What are Waves hoping to achieve with this. This was a small studio run from a home garage, not a big corporate studio that charges stupid amounts of money.

30th August 2007, 12:50 PM	#254
superburtm Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,381	ah yes..blood from a stone. Sorry to hear that

30th August 2007, 01:28 PM	#257
jhamburg Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 90	As someone who was visited by the SoftPolice, I'm mostly concerned with the ethical implications of their agents surreptitiously filming and taping the conversations. It's certainly unethical to record a conversation without the consent of the third party. Sadly it does not seem to be illegal in NY. (from www.rfcp.org) Of the 50 states, 38, as well as the District of Columbia, allow you to record a conversation to which you are a party without informing the other parties you are doing so. Federal wiretap statutes also permit one-party-consent recording of telephone conversations in most circumstances. (footnote cited) Twelve states forbid the recording of private conversations without the consent of all parties. Those states are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. (footnote cited) If anyone had a visit in one of those states they would have some added legal recourse. I personally plan on complaining to their lobbying firm in DC. all the best, joel

4th September 2007, 01:37 PM	#263
Free The Bee Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11	Does anyone know if any of these Waves cases have actually gone to court or if Waves have accepted anyones out of court settlement?