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22nd August 2007
| #241 |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Nov 2006
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[quote=LogicUser;1374376]Well, most likely your mates should have read the license agreement before they download an "evaluation" copy in order to get a paid job! It explicitly states: "Moreover, you expressly agree that you shall use SOFTWARE during the DEMONSTRATION PERIOD only for purposes of evaluation of the SOFTWARE, and not for any commercial use." http://www.waves.com/objects/pdf/gen..._Agreement.pdf Piracy is one thing...but wait but this is not similar when a Prositute think one guy is a Cop and the cop have to say yes!!! if he arrested her denying is a Cop ,,,,is against the law....is a Trap!!!! so here putting that add saying"if you have waves plug ins I work with you" is kind of forcing and encouriging to download the demo! ......os who is more guilty? the ignoratnts who did not read the license agreement..O waves that set the situation?? Anyway even if was paid..I do not think an newbie in the audio biz can even charge $300 buck to record a song,,,that do not cover any Waves product...so to charge $20,000 is a bit to much..... |
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22nd August 2007
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| Lives for gear Joined: Nov 2006
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22nd August 2007
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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22nd August 2007
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| Gear interested Joined: Aug 2007
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Many thanks studiopl | |
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22nd August 2007
| #245 | |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Dec 2005 Location: London
Posts: 1,956
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Are you starting a pernicious rumour here?... 
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22nd August 2007
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| Gear interested Joined: Aug 2007
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22nd August 2007
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| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2005 Location: London
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If you friend cannot reasonably qualify what seems like a 'bombshell' assertion it may well be completely unfounded. Still he could be right, and it may be true. If you ask on the other forum you will likely get a quick answer or start WW3 stike | |
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22nd August 2007
| #248 | |
| Doesn't need more gear  Joined: Apr 2006
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 Well, i'm glad you are happy with renting plugs. I'd rather buy them. | |
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23rd August 2007
| #249 |
| Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2006
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would you pay $12,500 down on an auto lease? yeesh, that's some baaaad wampum, kimo sabe.
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30th August 2007
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| Gear interested Joined: Jul 2007
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| dfegadWaves are proving themselves too greedy… Some of you may remember the story from my earlier of a friend who was caught by the spies… quick recap; an Israeli band wanted to finish their recordings in his new studio but requested dfegadwaves, which he didn’t have. He got a tryout copy of  from the net and demoed it to the (fake) band saying (from the secret tape) “I’ve never actually used it”. When questioned further he said he had Bundle as well but when asked for proof he couldn’t provide any because he was making it up to secure the client. dfegadWaves demanded nearly US$10,000.Hands up, on the advice of his solicitor he offered them everything the studio had, $4,000, for licence of plus costs.dfegadWaves turned that down and are now asking for around $12,000 including $4,000 for damages (What damages!). That’s about $6,000 more than the company is worth. What are dfegadWaves hoping to achieve with this. This was a small studio run from a home garage, not a big corporate studio that charges stupid amounts of money. |
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30th August 2007
| #251 |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Jun 2005 Location: LOS ANGELES
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ah yes..blood from a stone. Sorry to hear that |
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30th August 2007
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| Gear nut  Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Lawn Guyland, Noo Yawk
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30th August 2007
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If any of this is true of course... | |
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30th August 2007
| #254 |
| Gear nut Joined: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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As someone who was visited by the SoftPolice, I'm mostly concerned with the ethical implications of their agents surreptitiously filming and taping the conversations. It's certainly unethical to record a conversation without the consent of the third party. Sadly it does not seem to be illegal in NY. (from www.rfcp.org) Of the 50 states, 38, as well as the District of Columbia, allow you to record a conversation to which you are a party without informing the other parties you are doing so. Federal wiretap statutes also permit one-party-consent recording of telephone conversations in most circumstances. (footnote cited) Twelve states forbid the recording of private conversations without the consent of all parties. Those states are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. (footnote cited) If anyone had a visit in one of those states they would have some added legal recourse. I personally plan on complaining to their lobbying firm in DC. all the best, joel |
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30th August 2007
| #255 |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Jan 2004 Location: Nashville, TN
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dfegad waves they'll never see another RED cent from me. -s0nguy |
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30th August 2007
| #256 |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Lake Cormorant, MS
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I wonder if someone, a legal expert so to speak could make up a disclaimer/release stating that you do not have any unauthorized software to your knowledge and any demonstration versions on their computers are strickly that, demonstration versions. This agreement would also release and hold harmless the property owner from any liability if unauthorized plugz/software were found on the studios computer and that any video or recording of the facilities could not be used in a court of law and the only remedy available is the removal of said software. Have anybody that comes in to use/checkout the studio sign this release. If the person that works for waves or thier legal reprensentive signs this it should hold up as they are an agent for the company handling this. Just like the terms of use on the software, you would have your own terms of use before entering the studio, post it on the wall at the entrance in big letters and let everybody know that you won't tolerate customers/engineers putting "Warez" on your computers. One of the key elements is intent (I have been watching Law & Order) and if you show you are diligent in trying to prevent unauthorized software usage in your place, you can get out of it if you ever go to court.
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30th August 2007
| #257 | |
| Gear nut Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Lawn Guyland, Noo Yawk
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Yea, see the end of my post on page 3, #75. Unfortunately you're gonna freak out & kill the "vibe" for every artist that wants to record at your place by throwing a stack of papers in front of 'em to sign. And if their lawyers are good enough, they'll find a way around it. But it seems like this is what he world is turning into lately  | |
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31st August 2007
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| Gear interested Joined: Jul 2007
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31st August 2007
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| Gear nut Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Lawn Guyland, Noo Yawk
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Won't work. Man, i'd reeallly like to see one of these collection notices (U.S. studio location). Anyone want to black out their personal info and post one? | |
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4th September 2007
| #260 |
| Gear interested Joined: Jul 2007
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Does anyone know if any of these dfegadWaves cases have actually gone to court or if dfegadWaves have accepted anyones out of court settlement?
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4th September 2007
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| Gear nut Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Lawn Guyland, Noo Yawk
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They're accepting settlements. Bust last time I checked (last month or so) no court actions have been filed (In U.S. Federal Courts). | |
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4th September 2007
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Email em to each other whatever.. But don't post them here..
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6th September 2007
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10th October 2007
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| Gear interested Joined: Jul 2007
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You all might like to listen to this podcast about the issues involved....... http://www.sonicftp.com/podcasts/sonicstate_talk055.mp3 |
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11th October 2007
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11th October 2007
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27th December 2007
| #267 |
| Gear interested Joined: Jul 2007
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So is this topic now closed? or is there something we don't know........
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28th December 2007
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31st December 2007
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You know, Ableton actually released it's own crack...it has a timer set for 6mos and afterwards gives you an 800 number to call. You call, they're cool and are like "well, do you want to actually buy it now?" It's like an extended evaluation period. The part I haven't really heard is the fact that we're talking about Waves. They're becoming obsolete without DSP cards so this is their weird little tactic to keep them on the tip of our tongue. I scope out all of my clients before allowing them into my semi-closed shop. If someone cold called me asking about Waves, I'd probably jump up the price and would require 100% upfront payment before they can set foot in the door. I don't give tours. If they want waves, I'll require they purchase it for me if I'm weirded out enough. Sounds like there's 2 sides to this story. Waves is being silly (and probably making all of this up) and if not, people are getting too hungry to keep a good head on their shoulders. You don't publish your address for fear of breakins, you don't give tours for fear of robbery...why would we let these people in? My responce to the waves thing would be the same as my Protools question. "Do you have protools?" "I have a protools frontend called digital performer, it's way better." Satisfies the losers that just want to hear the name. If it's more qualified than that I'll get into AAF interchanges and digitranslator. "Do you have waves?" "I have a bunch of plugins and a LOT of outboard, why do you ask?" "Oh I heard it was good." "it kinda sucks actually, I'll show you some great stuff from PSP, Native Instruments and things I've made in Max/MSP, if you really need me to use waves, you're going to have to pay extra for me to go purchase it for you." The wannabes should be satisfied and the Waves spies (fictional as they may be) will back away. I think that they didn't forsee the fact that if you want a big market share, you're going to have to tolerate some cracking just to keep the name brand going. At least Ableton gets it. Stealing is wrong in case you were curious as to my stance.
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17th April 2008
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| Gear interested Joined: Jul 2007
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Haa haa haa heee hee hee - dfegadWaves are a joke ! !  None of the cases went to court |
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