when will wack rappers realize...

[Black Animal]

it aint a problem with the beat, its just that you dont got got no flow. i can change the temp or position of the kick drum a thousand times, but it wont help. you just suck

[Bryan Talbot]

By god, you're right.

[Improv]

Try wack flamenco sometime...

No, try editing sections of wack flamenco where everyone has their own idea of "1".... then come cryin' to me...

[sguali]

This post is just so what i need.

Im recording a few rappers, and its like hell..

one rapper can't count to four, and other thinks that his a 50Cent.
Every time when they are in the booth and come to the studio like "how was that?" i start to explain something very irrelevant because i can't even describe how bad that take was...

Do it again, again, again, again....And when the day is over i think to myself
"I was in the studio for a whole day, and i don't have any proper material to continue with..."

...frustrating...

[NesNeedsGear]

yep...it's not the tempo...not the beat, not the sample, groove...anything..
they just suck.

I spent about an hour trying to explain to a "rapper" how to punch in.

me: "u have to follow your last take from about 4 bars before you punch in, and punch in with the same tone you had before. it'll naturally match itself and doesn't sound like you punched in at all when I edit".


rapper: ".......huh?"

needless to say he didn't get it right ONCE in a 3 hour session.
after I give him his mix....

"why do i sound different every time i punch in?"

[MX582]

hahahahaha ^

i dont really care for rap either

i'd love to be proved wrong but making a few beats and looping them over and over doesnt seem to take much talent..id much rather work with a rock band or some other genre with talented musicians and song writers..

and the lyrics in rap music today..good lord..

[NesNeedsGear]

Here we go with the genre bashing.
Enjoy the flame show.

LOL Yeah that's why slavery happened and the denial of civil rights to blacks
(In my best George from siendfeld voice) they were rappers.
People don't like blacks because of rappers.


Honestly for the guys who are serious in this thread, the cats you are recording are NOT rappers. That's the problem.


For the guy who says it takes no talent.

Where are your productions? Play me some of your music please. Also why don't you write a rap and record it. (It should be a breeze for you).

[MX582]

oh god..this is what i get for having an opinion..

okay just to make everyone happy i actually do listen to alittle bit of rap on the rare occasion like Fort Minor and some of Jay-z's stuff.

and to no ssl yet...you are welcome to come hear my band play sometime..we dont have anything recorded yet tho..

not trying to start shit but c'mon most rappers out there today are complete idiots..i've watched mtv enough to know this (not saying all..just some)

and in my personal opinion it takes alittle bit more talent to make a song with a good instrumental melody and words that carry a message along with them instead of a drum machine and a song about licking a lolly pop..

but anyways sorry for changing the topic of the thread..everyone has the right to listen to whatever they want and thats whats cool about music (if you can even call rap "music") (JUST KIDDING!!!) ..i hate "wack" rappers too

[lpkyer]

It's just too accessible to any dumbass.....and all the culture surrounding hiphop is just plain retarded.

[supernova]

Guys, take it easy with all the "rap music sucks" nonsense. First, before you guys jump all over my sh*t, I am classically trained, went to Juilliard and know a thing or two about music (Theory, solfege, etc, did all that crap).

With that out of the way, I will give you the economist's answer for everything: it depends.

Yes I hate a lot of modern hip hop, the nonsense centered on the bling, the degradation of women, the stupidly simple production (no syncopation, everything on the beat, stupidly simple natural minor synth lines, etc) BUT there is good stuff out there with production value (old Tribe Called Quest for example and more recently Mos Def).

You guys kind of remind me of my dad. He hated all music except classical and now I have him accepting electronic music, jazz, rock etc. It all takes time and talent.

[Plush]

"I'm ridin' downtown rockin' and a reelin',
I'm only really happy when I'm rhymin' and I'm stealin'.

The Moronic Rap culcha is stupefyingly ignorant and base.

AND---there are usually no actual engineers involved in the tracking and recording. Get down to Clown Center and get a beat box, you fugger.
Daddy wants to fug, where's my fuggin' bourbon, you Fug??!!

The money grubbing morons who record and produce this shit deserve all the grief and unbelief they receive.

What a load of shit.

What a base desire!

[Mudnoc]

I think some people just make ignorant statement to see what the responses will be... We get this kinda of thread every 45 days or so....

[DontLetMeDrown]

Everything I like rocks.

Everything you like sucks.

[MX582]

Originally Posted by supernova

Guys, take it easy with all the "rap music sucks" nonsense. First, before you guys jump all over my sh*t, I am classically trained, went to Juilliard and know a thing or two about music (Theory, solfege, etc, did all that crap).

With that out of the way, I will give you the economist's answer for everything: it depends.

Yes I hate a lot of modern hip hop, the nonsense centered on the bling, the degradation of women, the stupidly simple production (no syncopation, everything on the beat, stupidly simple natural minor synth lines, etc) BUT there is good stuff out there with production value (old Tribe Called Quest for example and more recently Mos Def).

You guys kind of remind me of my dad. He hated all music except classical and now I have him accepting electronic music, jazz, rock etc. It all takes time and talent.

hey i know theres some good rap out there but im talking about the majority of rap..like u said..Modern hip hop..the bling thing and degrading women..

i guess i should say i "hate" rap...i just dislike a big majority of whats out there

[gm5k]

the most amazing things to me about rappers and beats are...

1. ill think i have the worst beat ever, but i get a good rapper on it and suddenly the beat sounds amazing. lets put this baby on CD!

2. ill have what i think is the best beat ive ever made, hear a bad rapper on it and the song just sounds so awful and not authentic at all

[Goliath|Audio]

I think that the biggest problem with the Rap music culture is that it is just like churning out stuff at a very scary rate. Think about how many Rap/Hip Hop CDs an artist will release in a two year span? Think about what the last truly Epic rap album was??? The rate of golden nuggets to turds is really scary when the artists don't put time into sifting through thier ideas and filtering out some of the garbage. I would rather have an artist put out a great record every 5 years than pure crap every 3 weeks.

[lpkyer]

Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

I think that the biggest problem with the Rap music culture is that it is just like churning out stuff at a very scary rate. Think about how many Rap/Hip Hop CDs an artist will release in a two year span? Think about what the last truly Epic rap album was??? The rate of golden nuggets to turds is really scary when the artists don't put time into sifting through thier ideas and filtering out some of the garbage. I would rather have an artist put out a great record every 5 years than pure crap every 3 weeks.

Yeah totally. And I also dislike the violence that comes with it. It's stupid.

And I do enjoy rap.....A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory is one my favorite records.

[NesNeedsGear]

lol.

[max cooper]

Originally Posted by nandoanalog

LOL

That`s why I dont listen to rap. That`s why I dont hang with rappers. That`s why the world sucks. That`s why some people hate black people. That`s the cause of world war 1 and 2. That`s why the planet will be destroyed by an asteroid. That`s why people die with cancer.....

That's why all you white folk look the same.

[woomanmoomin]

Originally Posted by NesNeedsGear

I've listened (for educational purposes) to almost every genre of music available to me JUST so that I have something constructive to say about all of them, as opposed to simply blurting out *insert genre/band/song here* sucks.

Me too, but I still think the majority of rap completely sucks.

Hello, Mr Stereotypical Rapper. Pleased to meet you. So what do you do? Oh, really? You put rhymes together? Like Bob Dylan or Dr Seuss, you mean? Super. I suppose that must mean you've got a lot to say to... the kids, you know. Oh no, not your kids, obviously. I suppose I should also care how many b#tches you've banged of late, and how many times you've been shot and/or stabbed for being stupid. I hope you've been shot and/or stabbed a lot of times, by the way, because otherwise you're probably a bit of a dandy, you know. A milksop. A fop. Incidentally, I love that portrait of you, up there on your wall. Did you airbrush it yourself? How many months did it take? I suppose it must give you a wonderful feeling of self-validation. Oh yes, I respect you. Almost as much as I'd respect you if you weren't just a short-sighted, testosterone-poisoned, narcissistic prick.

[NesNeedsGear]

^^^ agreed....it's a sad state of things....

didn't glam rock/arena/big hair metal go through this stage?

Just so happens that Rap is incredibly EASY to crossover to most other popular genres. rock/rap, rap/R&b, rap/pop, rap/country, rap/jazz, rap/metal....

Common, The Roots, Lupe Fiasco, etc....LOTS of good stuff out there, which surprises ME, even. Turn off the MTV and go to your good ol' record store and grab some of the dusty hip hop/rap CD's....TONS of great material.

[Makinithappen]

Laffy Taffy was brilliant. I don't know what you people are talking about.


BTW...Would you like to know "why I'm hot"

[The dman]

I've recorded a couple of middle class white kids raping about life in the ghetto and being oppressed. It always makes me laugh when they pull away in their parents $40,000 SUV.

[LoopQuantum]

yaw....chillin in da moan zone wack honkeys ain't feelin dis

I'll be bitin on they comments while I puffin on da cannabis

See eveebody's trippin on my homeys comin up

say they can't drop a rhyme and they sense a rhyfm sucks

Oh Snap! ain't said enough about da mandatory things....

B$%ches, money, blunts, Big screens, and bling-blings......


Yep.... anybody can make bad hiphop....even me. And I'm as unexperienced and uninterested as they come.

PS> Goliath|Audio, thanks for turning me on to MC Paul Barman..... He's awesome.

[jchas]

I've done 2 small rap projects too, that should last a lifetime.

The first was a neighbor of a friend from church. She asked if I could help out the young man by a) showing that not all white guys are racist pricks, and b) giving the young man a helping hand so he didn't backslide into drugs and the gang mentality.
I met the guy, about 26 from Chicago. He liked to dress and talk tough, but deep down he seemed like a nice enough guy. I offered up 2 songs for $100 with some
stipulations - lyrics heralding violence, beatin the bitch etc. and the project is over.
The first couple sessions went pretty well. The kid had good meter and he re-wrote some of the lyrics to pacify me. By the 3rd session he was inviting some of his posse as featured artists. Every time they would get going on the "popping caps" and "bustin bitches" i'd hit the delete key. It seems they just couldn't get around the tough-guy bullshit (this coming from some 16-18 year olds that had lived their whole life my very quiet, middle class neighborhood). I got into some discussions with them about their "the man is holding me down" lyrics. I wanted to know what part of 'the man' helping to pay their rent, provide food, and give them a quality public education was holding them down. Was it their bosses holding them down? Well, none of them worked so it couldn't be that.
As time went on, the rap star (who was actually pretty good if you like that kind of thing) asked if I could front him a couple more songs. Even though I hadn't recieved the first $100 I gave in. Over the next few weeks I helped him get partial custody of his baby (his bitch had run away with their drug dealer), offered to be a reference and get him an interview at my company, and regularly borrowed him cigarettes and drinks. When a big 'open-mic' night was scheduled in Minneapolis where there would be some big name Producahs in the audience I got his mixes together, offered to spend 20 hours putting a nice protfolio together (i'm also a graphic artist) for another $150. He made the gig, they liked his stuff, they never called him back...
The moral of the story - he stiffed me for the $250. He never brought back the DVD's he borrowed, and the HR manager at work contacted me to let me know that the rest of his references for the job I had for him turned out to bogus.

At least he can go through life knowing that not all white guys are racists pricks. Some are just easy targets...

[Tapeworm]

Originally Posted by The dman

I've recorded a couple of middle class white kids raping about life in the ghetto and being oppressed. It always makes me laugh when they pull away in their parents $40,000 SUV.

I remember hearing Robert Plant sing the blues right before getting in a 1.5 million dollar airplane. I'm not so sure that there is any difference.

[studio freak]

I´m just giving my opinion here!!!!

In general, ( i believe there´s some exceptional works )
Actual Rap music doesn´t carry any lyrical contents of interest, and i´m not just talking about the subjects explored, but also the lack of quality in the writing. and i find it really weird since the message was suposed to be the main element in RAP or hip hop music.

And there´s also the themes: Sexism, materialism, violence, opulence... to name a few... and you´ve got all of them (artists) writing about the same.
And the worst part, they really believe in that shit and they live by it. And they want respect? How can i respect someone "singing" in a stupid way about being stupid? ( lady lump´s cause brain damage... F****)

and the freakin videos... god! ist´s just sad... not a glimps of someone being creative, they shure know how to spend money to show us who is the boss, it´s just about great cars, gold everywere, money and babes all around....
( remember the roots of hip hop? and whats all about? ) maybe you american hiphop artists should check the hip hop scene here in europe (tune MCM ) so you can realise how you become apart from the "real thing".

The beats you´re always raving about.... they generally suck big time, ( i´m also a drummer and i´ve been involved in electronic music and programing for a long time... so i know something about it ).

can hip hop culture be creative without disrespect for others? ( eg. I love graffity art but not in my house walls without my permition!!! )

Peace!

[Tapeworm]

Spearhead Hole In The Bucket Lyrics
(Money Money Money Money Nothin But
Money)
I work 9 to 5 but it starts in the P.M.
and I love the sunrise so I step out in the A.M.
the street is black and shiny from the early
nightly rainin'
the glory of the light it brings evaporation
morning's fresh oxygen cleanest
I take a deep hit help my mind stay the greenest
I'm already wake so I'm not drinkin' coffee
don't wanna cigarrette 'cause it's a form of slavery
walk into the store 'cause I need a few items
the sun heats the blood like a hit of vitamins
needa buy some food and some 'poo for my dreads
can't remember why but I need a spool of thread
Man with dirty dreads, steps around the corner
he asks me for a dime, a nickel or a quarter
I don't have any change so I'm steppin' along
and as I'm walkin' past he sings to me a song...

(chorus)
There's a whole in the bucket dear liza, dear
liza...(repeat)

The day is pickin' up cause I'm hummin' his song
the buses and the people all keep movin' along
to the shopkeeper I say "was'sup?"
and I'm thinkin' about the man who's holdin' up the cup
I pay for all the stuff and get a pocketful of change
should I give it to the man's the question in my brain
What's gonna happen if I give the man a dime? <CLASS id=NoSteal></CLASS>

I don't wanna pay for anotha brotha's wine
What's gonna happen if I give the man a quarter?
will he find a dealer and try to place an order?
what's gonna happen if I give the man a nickel
will he buy some food or some pork that's been pickled?
I'm not responsible for the man's depression
how can I find compassion in the midst of recession?
How come all these questions keep ****in' with my head
and I still can't remember why I need a spool of thread.

(chorus)

He's starin' in my eyes just as I'm walkin' past
I'm tryin to avoid him cause I know he's gonna ask
me about the coinage that is in my pocket
But I don't know if I should put it in his bucket
walk right past him to think about it more
back at the crib I'm openin' up the door
a pocketful of change it don't mean alot to me
my cup is half full but his is empty
I put back on my cap and I start headin' back
I reach into my pocket and I have a heart attack
well as I'm diggin' deep I scream "oh no!"
there's nothin' in the pocket but a great big hole
While I was busy thinkin' if he would buy smack
the jingle in my pocket it slipped through the cracks
no one has the change and it's *