Anti-cables?????

[thethrillfactor]

Has anyone tried any of their products?

http://www.anticables.com/products.html

In a week i will test them out along with their interconnects and see if they are the real deal.


Almost seems to good to be true but for the price i guess its worth a listen.

[Labs]

I guess this means that all the Ewoks are about to go AC cable thread crazy on us...

Gustav

[pinwale]

The "real deal"??

Cables??

I must really be a completely hack not to have considered this. I feel so daft.

But then you're talking about anti-cables? If you plug them into normal cables is it like matter and antimatter? Will it cause a cataclysm or create a tear in the space-time-continuum?

Mr. Factor? I am but a humble Ewok, but I really do sometimes wonder who you are.

Cheers!

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by pinwale

The "real deal"??

Cables??

I must really be a completely hack not to have considered this. I feel so daft.

But then you're talking about anti-cables? If you plug them into normal cables is it like matter and antimatter? Will it cause a cataclysm or create a tear in the space-time-continuum?

This is what it says about the cables:

Since these simple red wires virtually eliminate the most common problems of typical speaker cables (usual sonic signatures, hyperbole, and high prices) they have been named the "Anti-Cables"

So the anti name comes from the fact that they are not expensive.

Not that they are anti gravity or something.

Lets face it some of us use MIT, Kimber or Silversmith cables that cost thousands of dollars with our monitoring systems and i was curious to see if their is a difference or not.

Originally Posted by pinwale

Mr. Factor? I am but a humble Ewok, but I really do sometimes wonder who you are.

Cheers!

I am an Ewok just like you...but i am always willing to investigate something if it will give me and egde and maybe save me a few bucks that i can put towards something else like diamond studded spikes for my monitors.

[Riccardo]

They are not the only ones to claim that the insulation has an effect on the sound of cables (true or false that might prove o be!)

If you get to test them please let us know what you think!

[barefoot]

Looks like typical magnet wire to me.

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Has anyone tried any of their products?

http://www.anticables.com/products.html

In a week i will test them out along with their interconnects and see if they are the real deal.


Almost seems to good to be true but for the price i guess its worth a listen.

With Neutrik RCA plugs:
1/2 meter pair = $100
3/4 meter pair = $100
1 meter pair = $100
1.5 meter pair = $125
2 meter pair = $150
2.5 meter pair = $175
3 meter pair = $200
3.5 meter pair = $225
4 meter pair = $250
4.5 meter pair = $275
5 meter pair = $300
With Eichmann Bullet plugs:
1/2 meter pair = $150
3/4 meter pair = $150
1 meter pair = $150
1.5 meter pair = $175
2 meter pair = $200
2.5 meter pair = $225
3 meter pair = $250
3.5 meter pair = $275
4 meter pair = $300
4.5 meter pair = $325
5 meter pair = $350
Balanced with Neutrik XLR plugs:
1/2 meter pair = $200
3/4 meter pair = $200
1 meter pair = $200
1.5 meter pair = $225
2 meter pair = $250
2.5 meter pair = $275
3 meter pair = $300
3.5 meter pair = $325
4 meter pair = $350
4.5 meter pair = $375

What is so cheap about this? You can make great cables for less than 1/10 the price.

[structuredloud]

And you can booby-trap unsuspecting trespassers too!

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by barefoot

Looks like typical magnet wire to me.

What if it touches the rug?

That's a direct short to ground....zzzzzzzttttttt!

How many feet should we put you down for?

After the first 1000 they probably throw the rubber-bands in for free.

DC

[Tubefreak]

I rather look at specs then nice pics or marketing info.

The resistance of their speaker cable is almost twice as high as Van Den Hul CS-122, at aprox the same price. I know which one I would take.

Maarten

[7 Hz]

Originally Posted by dcollins

What if it touches the rug?

That's a direct short to ground....zzzzzzzttttttt!

By magnet, I presume he meant transformer. Transformer / inductor wire is coated with a thin layer of insulation of course, otherwise transformers and inductors wouldnt work...

And yes, what is cheap about these cables? 'OMG, buy two!!!! At this price it can't be bad...'

Pfffffff

Anyway, what about sheilding?

I bet they break easy as well.

Getting fed up with stupid cable BS... it's like for males with severe OCD and no life!

[Ethan Winer]

Thrills,

> these simple red wires virtually eliminate the most common problems of typical speaker cables (usual sonic signatures, hyperbole, and high prices)

There's the lie - speaker cables do not have a sonic signature! And if they did it would be very easy to measure and everyone would then believe it.

Think about it for a moment. What does "sonic signature" even mean? Is it a non-flat frequency response? Added distortion? Increased residual noise level? By what physical mechanism could a piece of wire affect any of those?

--Ethan

[Fuel]

Ethan so are you saying that any audio cable sounds the same?
That is a big statement ! very interesting...so what about the connectors quality?

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

What is so cheap about this? You can make great cables for less than 1/10 the price.

Those prices are for the interconnects and not the speaker cables themselves:

Pricing:

Jumper set (Spade) = $25
Jumper set (Banana) = $45
1 foot Stereo set = $25
2 foot Stereo set = $25
3 foot Stereo set = $30
4 foot Stereo set = $40
5 foot Stereo set = $50
6 foot Stereo set = $60
7 foot Stereo set = $70
8 foot Stereo set = $80
etc...

And if you think that's expensive you've never priced Kimber,MIT or Silversmith cables.

I have a pair of 3 ft Kimber interconnects that costs me $1K and i bought them used.

[barefoot]

magnet wire - solid copper or aluminum wire coated with a thin layer of enamel or high temperature polymer used to make motors, transformers, inductors, etc.

I hate cable threads and I only posted here to point out the fact that the stuff is just simple magnet wire. I wont get into the argument. But just let me paraphrase the great philosopher David Hume:

Let your cables, O philosophers, be suited to the present appearances of nature: and presume not to alter these appearances by arbitrary suppositions, in order to suite them to the attributes which you so fondly ascribe to your deities.

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Those prices are for the interconnects and not the speaker cables themselves:

Pricing:

Jumper set (Spade) = $25
Jumper set (Banana) = $45
1 foot Stereo set = $25
2 foot Stereo set = $25
3 foot Stereo set = $30
4 foot Stereo set = $40
5 foot Stereo set = $50
6 foot Stereo set = $60
7 foot Stereo set = $70
8 foot Stereo set = $80
etc...

And if you think that's expensive you've never priced Kimber,MIT or Silversmith cables.

I have a pair of 3 ft Kimber interconnects that costs me $1K and i bought them used.

Ok, that's not so bad. But you can still buy zip cord at Home Depot for a lot less. Between amp and speaker would be the least likely place there could be a difference, assuming the gauge is large enough for the job.

And please don't ever spend a thousand bucks on a pair of cables again.

[7 Hz]

It says it right there on the page in fact:

The solid Copper lead out wires on the ZERO-Autoformers are so transparent sounding, I have made them available on their own. Since they virtually eliminate the most common problems of typical speaker cables (usual sonic signatures, and high prices) they have been named the
"ANTI-CABLES"

At least they say it up front.

Their ability to time align the music's transient events (eliminate time smearing) makes them more transparent, dynamic and "life like" than any other cable I have ever heard.

Laughing ALL the way to the bank. And back.

[Harley-OIART]

Wish I had the names of the parties involved to back this up... but at least take this to be true :

-Highly respect Audio Professional invites some of the top people in the business over for a relaxing evening @ his studio.
-He adds that they should bring they're "Best Speaker Wire" and we will compare them.
-He sets up a perfectly engineered double blind a/b/x listening test, with zero engineering flaws that could skew the results.
-Everyone is having a good time, so he asks if they want to see who's speaker cable is the best.

Bottom Line, Not one of those attendies at the get-together talk to this man anymore because they are all too embarrassed they could not hear any difference between 'magic, costly' speaker wire, and homedepot 18gauge lamp cord.

As long as the gauge is correct, and your not running the cable in parallel with the rolling stones lighting dimmer just for kicks, you won't hear any difference in cables. Sorry to all those who spent the money on them.

Disclaimer : If expensive cables have helped secure you additional business, or you have lots of money to completely waste... then by all means I support your purchase. If not... Well lets just say your making some jacka$$ really rich =)

Regards

[e-cue]

$300 AC CABLE THREAD FOREVAHHHH!

[lucey]

These cable threads really bring out the best in people. Such unique and creative responses as well.

I really wish that the cynics would first try the products they're bashing ... that is the general policy for credibility is it not? If we don't know a mic we shouldn't talk about it, but if we don't know a cable then, "they all sound the same" and "everyone selling cable is in it for the money" and "even though I haven't heard that product there is no difference".

This is so hypocritical, given that the Cable Cynics Club is made up of supposedly better scientific minds than the rest of us, who imagine hearing things and lack process. A truly scientific mind doesn't comment on what he doesn't have experience with, and is never insulting about his findings to others who are in disagreement. Audio Engineers are not scientists, I guess.

A truly sad thread. I would prefer to respect you guys but this sort of thing is just rude. Not one person has tried these cables and yet everyone is an expert.

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by lucey

Not one person has tried these cables and yet everyone is an expert.

Interpolation.


If I try 10 different cables, some high end, some low end, and everywhere in between, and hear no difference, I can conclude that the cable is not going to be a factor in the sound. Apparently you disagree. Do you feel I have to try every cable brand on the planet to confirm this?

[lucey]

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

Interpolation.


If I try 10 different cables, some high end, some low end, and everywhere in between, and hear no difference, I can conclude that the cable is not going to be a factor in the sound. Apparently you disagree. Do you feel I have to try every cable brand on the planet to confirm this?

You dont hear cables in your chain/room. But the fact is that your ears are your own, as is your room, as are any other uniquenesses/limitations in your chain. Your posts are as definitive as science yet your ears are human. My point is this ... why post at all? You don't hear it and you don't care to investigate it. Fine, move on, because others do. So let them have a conversation with each other.

I'm fond of actually listening to things before posting ... and humility is pretty cool too. I've heard silver vs. copper and copper vs. itself in some cases so I'm interested in a discussion with others who have also heard this. You're just wasting space here with cocky defensiveness and negativity, and as in all these threads, attempting to insult and discredit others who hear differently than you. It's so manly.

Sounds Great I'm not about to tell you what you hear or don't, I accept you. Can you do the same? Accept that some people might want to discuss this topic, on it's merits, from actual use?


If you want to bandstand please post a new thread, that you hear these cables and thus all cables better than the other BL ... Bob Ludwig. Let's make a list of all the audio professionals who claim to hear better than Bob Ludwig and who call his listening skills flawed. Cynicism is cheap but that would take some balls.

"The wiring is made by Transparent Audio. It is a new kind of cable that is considered to be the best you can get; the whole studio is wired with that. There is no question that you can hear the difference. You can also measure the differences in cable bandwidths and capacitance, though it is beyond my understanding why differences in the megaHertz range would translate to an audible difference. But it is not subtle." - Bob Ludwig


from:
http://www.transparentcable.com/prod...lipde_mix.html


"MusicTAP: Why re-master at all? What has new technology brought to us that give the ability to make a better original?

Bob Ludwig: Speaking for myself, when I started my own business, Gateway Mastering & DVD, I was finally able to have what I think is the ultimate new technology, a great acoustic, a listening room with what are, to me, the world’s best and most accurate speakers, my unique serial #1 and #2 Eggleston Works “Ivy” speakers (check their web site for information). I use bridged Cello Performance Mark II amplifiers capable of producing something like 3,000 watt peaks. I use the new utterly amazing Transparent Audio Opus MM Speaker cables and even my patch cords are made using Transparent Audio cable. Listening in my room is a dream and it is often easy as pie to hear an older project and know what to correct immediately."

from:
SoundStage! Talks with Bob Ludwig - November 1999


others:
Interview with Bob Ludwig of Gateway Mastering

http://www.transparentcable.com/news...teway_news.pdf

[Labs]

Originally Posted by lucey

It's so manly.
l]

Haha. Youre so funny man. I love you.

Dont ever leave.

Gustav

[e-cue]

Originally Posted by lucey

I really wish that the habitual cynics would first TRY the products they're bashing ...

I've never stuck an altoid up my butthole, but something tells me I don't need to try that to determine it's not for me.

[crna59]

Originally Posted by lucey

Audio Engineers are not scientists, I guess.

A truly sad thread. I would prefer to respect you guys but this sort of thing is just rude. Not one person has tried these cables and yet everyone is an expert.

I'd have to side with Lucey on this one. I too have the same Transparent Cables that BL has.
I'd also have to admit that not that many people have the $28k it takes to audition the cable, OR the equipment/room to hear the difference.

Regards,
Bruce

[soundroid]

Originally Posted by lucey

I really wish that the habitual cynics would first TRY the products they're bashing ... that is the general policy for credibility is it not? If we dont know a mic we shouldn't talk about it, but if we dont know a cable then, "they all sound the same" and "everyone selling cable is in it for the money" and "even though I haven't heard that product there is no difference"..

Lucey,
I think the problem is that there have been so many rediculous cliams over the years regarding cables and interconnects that it's made many people cynical to the matter.
Unfortunately the legitimate products also get tainted becuase of this.
I must confess I was a bit of a cynic towards so called audio-phile cabling. For years I was content with the standard studio cabling pushed down everyone's throat. Not that this stuff is bad, but there is better. You just have to try a lot of other crap before you find it. At the end of the day if I'm paying big dollars for cable, then I'm going to want to hear an improvement. I finally found a local chap in Melbourne
who makes some really great cable.
It really is a matter of sifting through all the garbage and finiding the good stuff.

[lucey]

Originally Posted by soundroid

Lucey,
I think the problem is that there have been so many rediculous cliams over the years regarding cables and interconnects that it's made many people cynical to the matter.
Unfortunately the legitimate products also get tainted becuase of this.
I must confess I was a bit of a cynic towards so called audio-phile cabling. For years I was content with the standard studio cabling pushed down everyone's throat. Not that this stuff is bad, but there is better. You just have to try a lot of other crap before you find it. At the end of the day if I'm paying big dollars for cable, then I'm going to want to hear an improvement. I finally found a local chap in Melbourne
who makes some really great cable.
It really is a matter of sifting through all the garbage and finiding the good stuff.

Healthy skepticism shows intelligence. Openness shows courage. Cynicism and sniping at others shows a total failure of intelligence and humanity, an arrogance that closes us internally and alienates all but the similarly jaded. You're saying that some cable is actually different than others but the CCC (Cable Cynics Club) says that's a "lie". So you're either a liar or just a poor scientist ... which is it, they ask? And yet they have not heard the cables ... a pathetic hypocrisy.

Has anyone heard this cable vs. anything else? If not, why post?

Originally Posted by crna59

I too have the same Transparent Cables that BL has.
I'd also have to admit that not that many people have the $28k it takes to audition the cable, OR the equipment/room to hear the difference.

Regards,
Bruce

Some Sample responses (and underlying commentary)

*You elitist jerk (wow he's loaded)
*You're not able to tell the difference, just imagining things (this guy is an idiot)
*Let me teach you about the scientific method, as you must be clueless (what's the world coming to, people have "faith" in every damn thing)
*You got ripped off (I know the market inside and out and have tried all cables, well ...)
*I'm better than you (not insecure or jealous or having a healthy skepticism, but better).
*You're a fool to pay that for wire (I've never used it and have no idea how you came to that decision, but hey...)
*Can you post audio examples of how it's worth $0000s for that cable? (If you dont take the time to be loving with cynics too lazy to do it for themselves, then I win because my premise is better, YOU have to prove it to ME or you are invalidated by default. I'm reasonable, see?)
*All cable is made from the same copper anyway. (untrue, but sounds good)
*Please dont tell me you have that music money to waste? (Must be a money waster, everyone wastes money and my calling in life in life is to call them out.)
*The PR got to you too huh? (PR can sell anything, especially to idiots like this guy)
*Ludwig wannabe! (Of course I'm not interested in Ludwigs ears, success, or respect - he just smashes everything now anyway. I'm secure and respectful, that's why I'm posting here.)


Did I leave anything out? I'm sure I did ... so go ahead and post, then you can feel superior again.

[soundroid]

Originally Posted by lucey

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*You're not able to tell the difference, just imagining things (this guy is an idiot)

If you really, really have to struggle to hear the difference in cables and interconnects then chances are you're probably wasting your money. Move on and try something else.
When we did A/B tests in our mastering studio, even the young lad there on work experience was able to pick the new cable in a simple blind fold test. i was so impressed by this chaps cable that I went the next step and tried out his power conditioners.
Wow! Once again a nice subtle improvement to my ears. Without theses mods, there seemed to be a slight veil and graininess I could hear that i was never aware of.

[Riccardo]

cable debates always prove to be stimulating!

Can't wait to hear Thrill's report!

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by crna59

I'd also have to admit that not that many people have the $28k it takes to audition the cable, OR the equipment/room to hear the difference.

Hahahaha