Hidden track at beginning of CD

[illynoise]

Everyone that I've ever tried worked, and that was on HP's, Liteon's, etc....

But I've found Wavelab to work best with this feature.

[Matt Hepworth]

I have a Plextor and a Pioneer - neither work. I'll try my Liteon in my other computer with the CD Architect 5 trial version.

Thanks.

[Andy Krehm]

Originally Posted by glitch

Hi guys, I've got a client that wants a hidden (or bonus, rather) track at the beginning of the CD. Most burners don't seem to support this, does anyone know of a burner that does, or could we pay you a few dollars to do one for us from a CD Architect file?

Really want to do it.

Thanks!

Neither of my programs do it but one of the glass mastering dept at one of manufacturing plants that we use does it for us.

We send them the disc, they load it, bury the track and send it back for proofing.

We've done this about 6 times over the last few years and never had a problem so you might contact the plant you are planning on using.

[MorganN]

I think this depends on the program that makes the CD-premaster more than the writer.
It is called a ghost track when you hide audio before track 1.
You can do this with i.e. Pyramix by manually setting the 1-0 index marker (before 1-1.)


Kind regards,

[Brad Blackwood]

Both Sequoia (including Samp) and Sadie do this with ease. Wavelab does as well, iirc.

Keep in mind this is outside of redbook standard and you'll most likely have to sign a waiver from the plant. Read that waiver carefully before signing it, as some plants will basically say that because the disc is outside of spec, no matter what's wrong later, they are not responsible...

[Matt Hepworth]

Thanks guys! CD Architect claims that it's the other way around - many programs do it, but very few burners can do it. I get an error that an audio disc cannot accept the PQ code if it exceeds 3 seconds at the beginning of the disc. Both my burners report the same error and each time, my burner is identified. I'll try a different program too, then.

Thanks for the heads up on the duplication, Brad.

[jamesp]

I think that the last time I did this I used a Plextor 1210S drive with CD-RWin software.

Cheers

James.

[ed littman]

Originally Posted by jamesp

I think that the last time I did this I used a Plextor 1210S drive with CD-RWin software.

Cheers

James.

I've had no problem with Wavelab, TY discs & a Plextor Premium.

Now having your cd player see this hidden track is another story.
My old boombox can play it if you rewind track one, but thats about it in my cd playback arsenal.
Ed

[noiseflaw]

Try this.......

http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq03.html#S3-36

http://desolationvalley.com/wj/oddcd/index.shtml

[lomky]

I've done this and gotten the CD pressed. The plant said it wasn't red book standard but they duplicated it anyway and it was fine. I can't rememebr what software I used but it was a matter of changing the index. I set merged the two tracks into on and set the beginning to -3.55 minutes or whatever the length of the song was. I actually also did this in one of the later tracks on the CD that had some intro "noise" stuff, and that way when the song was skipped to it would start at the biginning of the song and not play the intro noise. I'll see if I can find out the program I used.

I hope my memory isn't failing me on this.

Edit: actually reading through the FAQ's that noiseflaw posted (I think this is the info that I orginally found when my client wanted to do this) I remembered that the software I used was CDRWIN

[Matt Hepworth]

Thanks everybody. I have the group scheduled to pop in this Friday to check it out - thanks for the links and advice.

[Zownd]

Originally Posted by Matt Hepworth

Thanks everybody. I have the group scheduled to pop in this Friday to check it out - thanks for the links and advice.

You can also check Sonoris for doing this.
see screenshot

[finetuner]

Originally Posted by Zownd

You can also check Sonoris for doing this.

Hey good to know, thanks for the tip.

Last time i had this request, someone with Wavelab did it for me as there were no options on my Mac by then. With Sonoris, now there is.

So yes, as most folks indicate, it's usually the program that allows for it (or not).

[Miles Flint]

you can do this with CD Architect... you need to "tick" the box somewhere in the pref menu. I have a liteon and asus cd-writer, works with all of them.

[Matt Hepworth]

Well, in the six years since the original thread I no longer use Windows. Wavelab does the task fine. Haven't tried It in Studio One, but I do use that for mastering sometimes.

[Weiss]

this feature can be included in a DDP folder??? or you guys send a RedBook CD???

[GeorgeZ]

Originally Posted by Weiss

this feature can be included in a DDP folder??? or you guys send a RedBook CD???

Pleeease don't send a burned/pressed CD with a hidden track sitting in the index 0 of track 1 as a master for replication.

It is difficult to restore the hidden audio from such a CD, because regular CD/DVD drives are not able to read from those sectors. We had to record the audio from digital audio CD players manually by rewinding and pushing play button. Grrrr

Send DDPs burned onto CD-ROM or DVD-ROM (CD-R/DVD-R in data mode to be exact) or other way - HDD, USB stick.... and write clearly on the medium that it contains DDP fileset with a hidden track.

Thanks a lot.

[Weiss]

Thanks Jiri, it is good to know it.