Someone in here with a Manley VariMu Limiter?

[punisher]

Originally Posted by soundroid

I'm sure they're all quaking in their boots in the fear that you may
tell them that their GML eq is also below par.

For some it is just that. Especially for mastering and in particular the 8200. Recalls are a nightmare and the top end on that thing sounds like shattering glass.

If it works for you that's great. Just like the Neve with the other poster you just paid out on.

[soundroid]

Originally Posted by punisher

For some it is just that. Especially for mastering and in particular the 8200. Recalls are a nightmare and the top end on that thing sounds like shattering glass.

If it works for you that's great. Just like the Neve with the other poster you just paid out on.

you can't be serious. do really think I paid out on that guy?
Well I wont make any apologies for trying to state that that Varimu is NOT
a shit compressor, or, is easily bettered by an avalon or the like. If people are don't take the time to learn how to use this gem or are trying to compress the **** out of their music, then of course you're gonna get crap results. the VM is not a slam bam thankyou mam type compressor, however it seems like people are always asking it to be so.

as for a the GML's top end sounding like' shattering glass', well I'm sure that's up for debate as flocks of the new generation eagerly buy the digital plug in of this classic eq.
I'm pretty sure the countless masters this eq is, and has been used on, don't sound like shattered glass either. It astounds me that peolpe could downgrade either piece of gear.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by soundroid

you can't be serious. do really think I paid out on that guy?
Well I wont make any apologies for trying to state that that Varimu is NOT
a shit compressor, or, is easily bettered by an avalon or the like. If people are don't take the time to learn how to use this gem or are trying to compress the **** out of their music, then of course you're gonna get crap results. the VM is not a slam bam thankyou mam type compressor, however it seems like people are always asking it to be so.

as for a the GML's top end sounding like' shattering glass', well I'm sure that's up for debate as flocks of the new generation eagerly buy the digital plug in of this classic eq.
I'm pretty sure the countless masters this eq is, and has been used on, don't sound like shattered glass either. It astounds me that peolpe could downgrade either piece of gear.

Yeah I think you were paying out on that guy. I haven't seen that many GML 8200s in mastering rooms. If you're talking 9500 then you have a better case but it still doesn't change my opinion that it too would be a fine accompaniment to the 8200 as a boat anchor. Surely an expensive one but nonetheless a worthy one.

Judging by your defensive reaction I can only assume you own one?

Funny isn't it that one half of the genius behind Sontec, a REAL mastering eq couldn't follow up with an equal or better eq.

As far as your plug-in argument goes, people who think they are getting the real deal in software are misguided and foolish even if it is a GML.

Yeah I'm in a fighting mood so bring it on girl dog.

[soundroid]

Originally Posted by punisher

Yeah I think you were paying out on that guy. I haven't seen that many GML 8200s in mastering rooms. If you're talking 9500 then you have a better case but it still doesn't change my opinion that it too would be a fine accompaniment to the 8200 as a boat anchor. Surely an expensive one but nonetheless a worthy one.

Judging by your defensive reaction I can only assume you own one?

Funny isn't it that one half of the genius behind Sontec, a REAL mastering eq couldn't follow up with an equal or better eq.

As far as your plug-in argument goes, people who think they are getting the real deal in software are misguided and foolish even if it is a GML.

Yeah I'm in a fighting mood so bring it on girl dog.

Judging by your mis-giuded reaction, you obviously don't own one.
The fact that you actually dis the 9500 as well, confirms to me that you're
either taking the piss out of me, or, you have a rack full of Beringher and TLA gear.

As far as sontecs go, please, they've had their day. I need an eq that works everyday
and can be serviced. after all, I'm in the service industry.

[jayfrigo]

I used the 9500 a handful of times when I was working out of Sony L.A. while my own room was being built. It wasn't exciting, but it seemed to work fine and I managed not to shatter any windows (they would have charged me extra I'm sure). The Sontec was very nice, but a little dirtier than some more modern designs. I'm actually happiest with the Millennia on balance, and the few things that bug me about it (not truly switched for one thing) I expect to be remedied when Fred Forrsell finally gets his real mastering EQ off the ground. Honestly, I could make a record with any of them. EQs in this class don't suck; they simply perform better or worse for some things, and fit certain tastes better than others.

[lucey]

The 9500 is an amazingly powerful science project, but I agree that the top end is harsh and it has a sterilizing effect.

Originally Posted by jayfrigo

but for me, the input flexibility is appreciated and eliminates my desire for something like a Hedd.

Yet the Hedd does something unique, as it's after the conversion.

I used a Vari-Mu for a few years and dont miss it at all. Nor do I miss their clean/fast 'Pultec' variation, or the Massive Passive for mastering. Come to think of it we've owned/used the El-Op, their pres, Voxbox, Langevin pres, Ref Card and Gold Ref for tracking/mixing as well. Each of these had better alternatives elsewhere. The SLAM looks promising, however, but I dont need it. The Mini Massive looks interesting too.

The MUs sweet spot was found, and that was not the issue, nor was it the action ... the low end was the thing, and the tone generally. The Manley line is a lineage of clean tube gear, not color gear (as the "tube" would suggests to many) and their weak low end carries through most of the line. I'm turned off by anemic transformers. For the color I wanted from the MU I much prefer the L2M ... or a Neve-type for non-tube transformer sounds.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by soundroid

Judging by your mis-giuded reaction, you obviously don't own one.
The fact that you actually dis the 9500 as well, confirms to me that you're
either taking the piss out of me, or, you have a rack full of Beringher and TLA gear.

As far as sontecs go, please, they've had their day. I need an eq that works everyday
and can be serviced. after all, I'm in the service industry.

I have no gear. I'm a part-time furniture salesman with an interest in this stuff.

I've been lucky enough to hear a lot of gear and I just have an opinion very much like you and Mr I Prefer Neves To Manleys.

[soundroid]

Originally Posted by punisher

I have no gear. I'm a part-time furniture salesman with an interest in this stuff.

I've been lucky enough to hear a lot of gear and I just have an opinion very much like you and Mr I Prefer Neves To Manleys.

Punisher, always enjoyed your commentary on this forum. keep it up.
Having said that, I'm not gonna sell my varimu or gml in a hurry...sorry dude.
I just find it really hard to get to upset with you as every time I see your avatar
it just cracks me up (even if it is censored)

[lucey]

Originally Posted by soundroid

Punisher, always enjoyed your commentary on this forum. keep it up.

Dude attacks various people regularly and has trolled me for three years (now doing so anonymously) ... and you enjoy that style? okay.

He needs a 'fact checker' too, probably one with a whip.

Originally Posted by soundroid

I just find it really hard to get to upset with you as every time I see your avatar
it just cracks me up (even if it is censored)

It's become a little homoerotic for my taste, as was "Bring it on Girl Dog". But whatever.

Anger Mgmt classes start at 10 ... next forum down the hall.

[soundroid]

Originally Posted by lucey

Dude attacks various people regularly and has trolled me for three years (now doing so anonymously) ... and you enjoy that style? okay.

He needs a 'fact checker' too, probably one with a whip.

It's become a little homoerotic for my taste, as was "Bring it on Girl Dog". But whatever.

Anger Mgmt classes start at 10 ... next forum down the hall.

maybe you guys need to kiss and make up...unless you think that's too homoerotic.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by soundroid

Punisher, always enjoyed your commentary on this forum. keep it up.
Having said that, I'm not gonna sell my varimu or gml in a hurry...sorry dude.
I just find it really hard to get to upset with you as every time I see your avatar
it just cracks me up (even if it is censored)

No need to sell Soundroid. And not trying to upset you. Consider the peace pipe smoked and passed back.

[soundroid]

[soundroid]

Originally Posted by punisher

No need to sell Soundroid. And not trying to upset you. Consider the peace pipe smoked and passed back.

how about sending Brian one punisher.....c'mon, I know you haven't totally gone
over to the dark side of the force. search your feelings......

[Brad Blackwood]

Originally Posted by soundroid

As far as sontecs go, please, they've had their day. I need an eq that works everyday and can be serviced. after all, I'm in the service industry.

I have two Sontecs that I've had for years and have never had one moment of down time with either. Unless you get en early 430 utilizing the original HS1000's, you won't have issues, ime.

As for service, Burgess is back, I've spoken with him several times recently.

And of course there are those of us who still believe it to be the ultimate mastering EQ. There's a reason there are still so many being used today...

[soundroid]

Originally Posted by Brad Blackwood

I have two Sontecs that I've had for years and have never had one moment of down time with either. Unless you get en early 430 utilizing the original HS1000's, you won't have issues, ime.

As for service, Burgess is back, I've spoken with him several times recently.

And of course there are those of us who still believe it to be the ultimate mastering EQ. There's a reason there are still so many being used today...

I'm glad to hear yours are travelling nicely.

[Adam Dempsey]

Originally Posted by Brad Blackwood

I have two Sontecs that I've had for years and have never had one moment of down time with either. Unless you get en early 430 utilizing the original HS1000's, you won't have issues, ime.

As for service, Burgess is back, I've spoken with him several times recently.

And of course there are those of us who still believe it to be the ultimate mastering EQ. There's a reason there are still so many being used today...

I was about to add something very similar, Brad.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by soundroid

how about sending Brian one punisher.....c'mon, I know you haven't totally gone
over to the dark side of the force. search your feelings......

I only call him out when he makes stoopid remarks. I have no issue with Brian per se. It's his attitude.

I'm afraid I don't suffer fools gladly. And sure at times I probably don't contribute as dilligently as I should but I try. Remember I am a part-time furniture salesman.

Back on topic I agree about the "magic spot" on the Mu.

[dcollins]

Originally Posted by punisher

Back on topic I agree about the "magic spot" on the Mu.

But when you say "Mu" is this the original with Sowther transformers and 6386's or the latest design?

DC

[lucey]

Originally Posted by punisher

I only call him out when he makes stoopid remarks. I have no issue with Brian per se. It's his attitude.

If I have an 'attitude problem' then kettle, meet Major pot head. Unlike you, I work to be kind to everyone and I dont kiss anyone's ass ... why is that choice any of your problem or any of your business? You're hardly anyone's 'Punisher', you're an anonymous troll on his third (often repremanded) identity in three years.

Here's a chance, once again, to discuss something without getting personal or nasty ... to do what you claimed to already do (but in realty don't) :


The "magic spot" on the MU is real, but gain color is not the issue for most people I've talked to who are unhappy ... it's the transformers and the low end. Props actually to Fletcher on that one as he called it long ago. The MP? ... a great midrange eq but a weak low end as compared to the colorful transformers that most are looking for in 'tube gear'. The 'enhanced' Pultec ? ... also neutered. There's more beef on an E27 than 3 Manley's in a chain.

A Manley mastering desk, as counter example (here's a conversation-maker Punyshire ... coming slow and right over the plate) ... would likely be a nice and clean thing. The design lineage/history of Manley is clean tube, not old skool transformer/tube, that's my point. So for the Slam, Mini Massive, or a mastering desk ... likely great ways to go.

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by Andy Krehm

Comments please!

Here's a pic of a sweet Mu Spot setting I used today:



They say it's better to teach a man to fish, how 'bout if I bait the hook for you : - )

Cheers JT

[robot gigante]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

Here's a pic of a sweet Mu Spot setting I used today:

Attachment 31127

They say it's better to teach a man to fish, how 'bout if I bait the hook for you : - )

Cheers JT

Looks similar to the sweet spot on mine- how about that... 12 to 2 o'clock baby! (OK- it's very rare that I push it all the way to 2 o'clock)

But when you say "Mu" is this the original with Sowther transformers and 6386's or the latest design?

I'm wondering about this- so they switched what kind of transformers they use in it? When and to what?

[jayfrigo]

Originally Posted by robot gigante

I'm wondering about this- so they switched what kind of transformers they use in it? When and to what?

In March of 1996 they switched from Sowter and started using their own Manley transformers (the version 2), three months before they stopped using the 6386 tubes due to supply difficulties, and started using the 5670 (the version 3). They also changed output tubes from 12BH7 to 7044. In October 1997 came the version 4, and current production is the 4a since February 2004. The 4 changed board layout and power transformer (a single big one completely outside on back), and the 4a changed output tubes from 7044 to 5687, and gain tubes to 12AX7EH.

[Jerry Tubb]

Originally Posted by soundroid

as for a the GML's top end sounding like' shattering glass', <snip> I'm pretty sure the countless masters this eq is, and has been used on, don't sound like shattered glass either.

Agreed, we've got a GML 8200, it's a fine classic equalizer, and the top end (at least on ours) doesn't sound harsh like shattering glass, it's actually pretty smooth.

I happily used it on many masters for a few years til' I replaced it with a Sontec 432. The GML now lives in our B Room alongside an Avalon 2055 and a (version 3) Manley Vari Mu.

Originally Posted by soundroid

As far as sontecs go, please, they've had their day.

imho that day continues, at least at our place.

Originally Posted by jayfrigo

The Sontec was very nice, but a little dirtier than some more modern designs. I'm actually happiest with the Millennia on balance

Ahem, I didn't hear any dirt in my Sontec today, I use it in tandem with the NSEQ-2F, and a Manley Vari Mu (version 4a).

Originally Posted by punisher

I have no gear. I'm a part-time furniture salesman with an interest in this stuff.

I suspect that you're more than a "part-time furniture salesman", surely that's your Clark Kent, Peter Parker, or Bruce Banner?

Originally Posted by robot gigante

Looks similar to the sweet spot on mine- how about that... 12 to 2 o'clock baby! (OK- it's very rare that I push it all the way to 2 o'clock)

Amen! ...12 to 1 o'clock for me, seems like I work at 12.5 to 12.9 many days.

-----------------------------------

As to which pieces of mastering gear are ~ the~ best... imho most the pieces we discuss in the mastering forums are found in many professional rooms, I think it comes down to a matter of personal preference, and being liberal music folks, we should celebrate diversity : - )

Cheers Guys - JT

[punisher]

Originally Posted by lucey

If I have an 'attitude problem' then kettle, meet Major pot head.

Unlike you, I work to be kind to everyone and I dont kiss anyone's ass ... why is that choice any of your problem or any of your business? You're hardly anyone's 'Punisher', you're an anonymous troll on his third (often repremanded) identity in three years. Get over yourself, or just grow up. You've attacked my business and my pricing, you've insulted my choice of home state and you've mistaken the one tiny part of my family history where your puny and unhealty mind can make a weapon. Personal trolling is not hard to spot ... and it's so boring for others to read. What if I went on about your DJing past? Your many trips to the US for pathetic 'credibility photos'? Your failure to meet the awards and success of your peers after almost three decades of working in the same field? I've gotten kind emails from your haters about the settlement money that set-up your room, and how your physicality intimidates locals from posting about your shoddy work ... what if I did like you and focused on all the negative I could find and tried to take you down? What kind of world would that make? What kind of forum?

Here's a chance, once again, to discuss something without getting personal or nasty ... to do what you claimed to already do (but in realty don't) :


The "magic spot" on the MU is real, but gain color is not the issue for most people I've talked to who are unhappy ... it's the transformers and the low end. Props actually to Fletcher on that one as he called it long ago. The MP? ... a great midrange eq but a weak low end as compared to the colorful transformers that most are looking for in 'tube gear'. The 'enhanced' Pultec ? ... also neutered. There's more beef on an E27 than 3 Manley's in a chain.

A Manley mastering desk, as counter example (here's a conversation-maker Punyshire ... coming slow and right over the plate) ... would likely be a nice and clean thing. The design lineage/history of Manley is clean tube, not old skool transformer/tube, that's my point. So for the Slam, Mini Massive, or a mastering desk ... likely great ways to go.

Seems to me you have your wires crossed. I'm not alone when it comes to calling you out. I've had the moderators PM me with regards to some rules not being adhered to but you on the other hand have been banned from other forums if I read correctly. I bet if it wasn't for your advertising here no-one would know about you.
It's pointless making conversation with you. I see how you engage with others.
Have you ever stopped to consider why so many people hammer on you? People take the time to create avatars and animated gif's depicting you spewing faeces everywhere - why is that? Why is it that no one else is singled out like this? Maybe you should stop to consider that for a bit - it's not because you're the only one 'seeking the truth'" as you so put it.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by dcollins

But when you say "Mu" is this the original with Sowther transformers and 6386's or the latest design?

DC

I couldn't tell you with any certainty. My experience with this particular unit was maybe 6-7 years ago.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

I suspect that you're more than a "part-time furniture salesman", surely that's your Clark Kent, Peter Parker, or Bruce Banner?

As a matter of fact I am. I have been helping a friend with his family business and ocassionally deliver stuff as well. I'm lucky enough to know a fellow who has a growing business buying out studios who are going to the wall. You can imagine the stuff that goes through his hands. It's through these experiences that I base my opinions.

[lucey]

Jerry do you ever pull it back below 11 and get the same results? IIRC the sweet spot was always in the box, and not so much a gain stage thing.

Sorry folks, but when repeatedly trolled and slandered online ... and the coward wont PM ... then here we are.


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Originally Posted by punisher

It's pointless making conversation with you.

How would you know ... never having the character to try? And having decided years ago to attack, attack, attack?

Again with this last post, where I put one over the plate, you've 100% skipped over the points ON THE ACTUAL TOPIC and stuck with the personal. Myopic, again. It makes you look insane ... and again ... it's feeling a little gay to get all this attention from you. Did daddy beat you up and now you feel the need to pass on the abuse? With all the "girl dog" and "hammer" language that's seeming more and more possible.

Originally Posted by punisher

I see how you engage with others. Have you ever stopped to consider why so many people hammer on you?.

It's a big world with room for all. I have far more friends on these forums than jerks like you as enemies. A forum is like real life, win some/lose some if you have an honest identity and are not a please-all ass-kisser. You dont get it ... haters are a compliment when people like you are the hater. Have you ever considered that you are an Australian troll dreaming of self-importance and stature in the cyber world? You would also have people "hammer" on your but you scare them ... I have their emails.

Please get over your imagined status as 'Punisher', or at least take it to PM. With every personal attack you force a rebuttal, and that's trashing up the forum.

[jayfrigo]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tubb

Ahem, I didn't hear any dirt in my Sontec today, I use it in tandem with the NSEQ-2F, and a Manley Vari Mu (version 4a).

I have experience with two Sontecs and they were both a tad noisy compared to newer high-end EQS. It was far from a deal-breaker, and plenty of other old gear has even worse noise and grit and is still worth using, but they just felt a little dirtier to me. Still a classic for good reason, and an excellent EQ, but it didn't inspire gear lust for whatever reason. However, I certainly understand the appeal, and could be happy using one. I just wager I'll be happier on the new Forssell... if we can ever get him to finish it!

Amen! ...12 to 1 o'clock for me, seems like I work at 12.5 to 12.9 many days.

Usually a little past 12:00 for the input sweet spot here as well.

[mizzle]

Did the original poster get a processed sound file yet?

[inlinenl]

yes I did, included a tubetech smc-2b .... long, long, LONG time ago !!!!

enjoyed the talk about the sweetspot from the vari-mu though .....

regards wim,

www.inlinemastering.com