Eliosound vs Algorithmix?

[Barilla]

Hi,

I realise the Algorithmix is sometimes regarded as the Weiss of software mastering EQ, but I'm wondering if anyone's compared the Algorithmix to the new AirEQ by Eliosound?

I realise demos are available for both, but as I'm G5-based, I won't have the opportunity to try out the Algorithmix. The Eliosound EQ sounds pretty nice, but I wouldn't mind hearing some opinions from people with good monitoring (!) and experience!

[Lee702]

Barilla you should try the demo of PLParEQ at http://refinedaudiometrics.com/index.shtml

[Barilla]

Well, I'm G5-based as I said, so trying out PLPar is out of the question, as there's no Mac version.

[Lee702]

well then maybe try psp neon http://www.pspaudioware.com/ air eq sound good but you probably looking for a linear phase equalizer

[heathen]

They are all nice eq's, I've used all the ones mentioned, The algorithmix red has a very thick sound, that is very nice, the orange sounds a little more clinical, psp neon is a great sounding eq, sometimes will choose neon over the algorithmix depending on what sounds better on which mix.
PLPar eq is also a very nice eq though I prefer the others over it, the m/s funtion is great. AIR eq sounds very very sweet, I don't like the air funtion, but the high and low filters are great, great for sweetening most things. The best thing about the air eq is the low cpu load it achieves, though I wonder what the seasoned pro's think of it in real world mastering situations. "AirEQ is based on a new filtering technology, AMLT® (Analog Matched Linear Transform)", I'm not sure if this relates to Linear phase or not? Though it does sound good, I trust my ears on that.
Hopefully the pro's here will get some time to test it and post thier thoughts.

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by heathen

"AirEQ is based on a new filtering technology, AMLT® (Analog Matched Linear Transform)", I'm not sure if this relates to Linear phase or not? Though it does sound good, I trust my ears on that.
Hopefully the pro's here will get some time to test it and post thier thoughts.

In fact no, Linear transform is the term used for the transormation from an analog filter formulae H(w) to a digital filter formulae H(z). It could be also called the Bilinear Transform.

But it does not mean that it is Linear phase. In fact this transformation has a non linear phase, since it is based on an analog filter formulae, but for the high frequency settings, the shape produced by the standard Linear transform is wraped. There is also the Orfanidis filters, that are closer to the analog filter shapes, but not matched exactly, and the AMLT filters are matched to analog ones up to 20kHz.

Fabrice,
Eliosound

[MattGray]

Originally Posted by Barilla

Well, I'm G5-based as I said, so trying out PLPar is out of the question, as there's no Mac version.

As I understand it there is still currently no Algorithmix EQ's available to the Mac platform either? So have you only heard the AirEQ?

The Algorithmix Orange does sound very similar to the Weiss, although I still prefer the Weiss on most things although it's a lot cheaper then the Linear Phase version of the Weiss. I've tried the AirEQ demo, but in the end I've always found it too coloured (in a bad way) for mastering. The filters tend to ring & interact with the phase too much which makes it not very transparent. Having said that if you used it with wide Q's & at very low gain settings it may do an alright job. I also dislike & would never use the "Air" band.

I have a Sontec MES-432C arriving tomorrow, I'll let you know how that compares ;)

Matt

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by MattGray

I've tried the AirEQ demo, but in the end I've always found it too coloured (in a bad way) for mastering. The filters tend to ring & interact with the phase too much which makes it not very transparent. Having said that if you used it with wide Q's & at very low gain settings it may do an alright job.

AirEQ is for the moment more intended to be a tracking EQ, because of the rather high maximal gains and sharp maximal Q factors. In many cases, you need more extreme settings for mixing purposes.
For mastering, you do not need such high gains and high Q factors, except if you have to remove some resonnances that have been left during the mixing stage.

Anyway, we may make an option to lower the maximal gain of the AirEQ's knobs, so it will be more suited to mastering purposes.

Fabrice,
Eliosound

[JonnySun]

Hm, what´s the difference? Cannot see a sense in this feature, but it would be a nice trick to claim "you can boost it and boost it, it still will sound nice"

It`s good to have the possibility to boost in a large amount; also to be prepared for boosting program material isn`t enriched with highs enough. (e. g. for tape-restauration)

[andrewj]

Hey folks,

I am abit sad Fabrice did not mention that his company posted the following news on their webpage:

AirEQ Group Buy

We have launched a Group Buy for AirEQ, which could bring the price down by 50% if over 300 people sign up.
An additional 10% discount will be awarded to the first 30 buyers, and a 5% discount for the 31st to 100th buyers.

The Group Buy will run until October 31st. This will be the first and last group buy for AirEQ.

Perhaps something like that for us here and some days longer would be very nice!

[defjamm]

Originally Posted by andrewj

Hey folks,

I am abit sad Fabrice did not mention that his company posted the following news on their webpage:



Perhaps something like that for us here and some days longer would be very nice!

hi andrew,
fabrice posted about the groupbuy in 2 other threads here at gearslutz:

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthrea...t=68783&page=3

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=77310

[andrewj]

sorry defjamm i missed that one!

[T.RayBullard]

I use Algorithmix LP EQ(Red) with Sequoia here. It is by far the most "transparent" eq I have personally ever worked with. I use it for classical music work.

My monitors are B+W 802s, and truth TA 1Ps.

[OMU]

To the original poster:

I'm mac based too, and I have PSP Neon HR, which is the best thing as linear eq-ing can go, on Mac.
I have AirEQ too, and I believe it is great!
It' in every mix I do, I'm so glad I have it. And by, the way, I use it with the option of not displaying values, it is soo cool to judge with your ears only!
Definately the EQ of the moment in the plugin realm.

[AcoosticZoo]

Originally Posted by T.RayBullard

I use Algorithmix LP EQ(Red) with Sequoia here. It is by far the most "transparent" eq I have personally ever worked with. I use it for classical music work.

My monitors are B+W 802s, and truth TA 1Ps.

that's a big call, and I like it!

However, as I have only a Mac, I wish I could experience your findings for myself 1st hand.

Peace
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer