AE Triumph features

[kingtoad]

I would be interested to see how they handle the integration of outboard gear, and A/Bing of processed and unprocessed signals, if at all.

[Matthew Foust]

Originally Posted by kingtoad

I would be interested to see how they handle the integration of outboard gear, and A/Bing of processed and unprocessed signals, if at all.

Analog loops are coming in 2.1 along with some other new features.

[Matthew Foust]

Originally Posted by silverking

Matthew has just posted a link to some detailed features of Triumph.

It looks excellent.

Audiofile Engineering - Support

You can grab Release Candidate 1 here:

http://aeng.me/downloadtriumph

[sat159p1]

This is a joke or this requies OSX Lion to run???

[antithesist]

Originally Posted by sat159p1

This is a joke or this requies OSX Lion to run???

Maybe both?

[silverking]

Originally Posted by sat159p1

This is a joke or this requies OSX Lion to run???

Audiofile Engineering - Support

Made pretty clear in the FAQ's.

[sat159p1]

OK but what things besides iCloud integration does it have that requies lion? It would be great to run it on 10.5 and 10.6 just with this thing disabled... imho

[pmx]

That's a shame, I think the majority of ME's are working with Snow Leopard...

[bendermastering]

Originally Posted by Matthew Foust

Analog loops are coming in 2.1 along with some other new features.

That is awesome! It's the only feature I'm missing in Triumph... I know it's probably too soon to ask but is there a ETA for 2.1?

[Tarekith]

Originally Posted by sat159p1

OK but what things besides iCloud integration does it have that requies lion?

Versions and autosave, as well as some of the trackpad gestures I believe. I'm sure there's more.

Not sure what the big deal is with Mountain Lion, I've always upgraded OS's pretty soon after they are released and never had an issue, so far ML has been the same.

[Suade]

I think some of us have suffered really badly with past Windows updates. I know I have. Had some trouble with System 7 too if I remember correctly. Still on Leopard...

I'm also a little concerned about the shortage of cat types for future upgrades.

;-)

[antithesist]

It's on sale now for $60 until 11/11 from AE, no extra upgrade deal for WE, etc. It doesn't seem to be at the Mac App Store. Somewhere I read that there were features that were only supported by the App Store version. I searched here and poked around on their forum to no avail.

I'm still on 10.6.8, but I'll probably go ahead and get it for the future just to save 20 bucks. Though they'll probably have it even cheaper at some point before I can even use it. Maybe it will intro at a discount at the App Store, too. Decisions, Decisions.

I guess you go with the sure deal. I have Studio Life plus the Backline DDP player, so this will be kind of a paid upgrade to that, I suppose. I decided to pass on the Sonic and wavelab half-price Peak cross-grades in favor of... wait for it... more hardware!

Edit: I think what I was looking for used to be in their FAQ and was edited. Now it looks like they didn't meet the sandboxing guidelines. So, I guess the AE store version is the only version. Mystery solved.

[J_Flux]

Fortunately I will only really use Triumph on my laptop (10.7) which means I can leave my main studio system on 10.6 for a bit longer.

I've heard too many horror stories about Lion, although I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and upgrade sometime next year.

Anyone else using Lion without issues for their main rig?

[digidandy]

Originally Posted by J_Flux

Fortunately I will only really use Triumph on my laptop (10.7) which means I can leave my main studio system on 10.6 for a bit longer.

I've heard too many horror stories about Lion, although I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and upgrade sometime next year.

Anyone else using Lion without issues for their main rig?

Why stop at Lion?

Skip Lion, upgrade to Mountain Lion. It's a much better, efficient system, and very, very stable (at least on my three Macs).

[Nick Morris]

I moved to mountain lion for this and so far mountain lion has been great. No problems at all.

[WBM]

The crap on mountain lion, i believe you can downgrade the system to snow leopard or any other system and few more things anti features, more BS from Apple I 'll stay for some time in SL

[digidandy]

Originally Posted by WBM

The crap on mountain lion, i believe you can downgrade the system to snow leopard or any other system and few more things anti features, more BS from Apple I 'll stay for some time in SL

Your post is making little sense. What is your argument against Mountain Lion?

[WBM]

Originally Posted by digidandy

Your post is making little sense. What is your argument against Mountain Lion?

I'm sorry I want to said CAN'T, that is a hard time to downgrade or change the system operation on ML some tricky way don't let you read the other operation system you have to wipe out and from there see if it work, some security from Apple to get a faster system, I stay in SL


Downgrading from ML

[Tarekith]

Running ML here since the day it came out, no issues at all with any DAWs or plug ins, no system issues either.

[sat159p1]

If you are staying with SL, TURN OFF AUTOMATIC UPDATES. Leave it like you had on your original CDs. I think that in every is something wrong... Maybe they try to slowly convince you to buy ML, maybe this is the way their marketing works? I mean, I'm after few updates and youtube isnt working good, system slowed down. I'm having the same thing on my home MBP too.

[silverking]

Triumph at this point in time seems a bug ridden affair.

All my UAD and Waves plug-ins (32 bit) load as a WRITTEN LIST with drop down menus, with no graphics whatsoever!
UNUSABLE!

After I got a few plugs to load as a list, then loading any plug-ins at all became impossible, and the app went into force quit mode until I quit, and duplicated the same process all over again.

I can see the thinking behind this app, and it could one day be impressive......but for now I can't even keep Triumph running.......and I guess 32 bit plug-ins lose all of their graphics.

I won't be buying Triumph until it's ready......it certainly doesn't seem ready yet. Even at $60.00, if it's unusable, what's the point?

.......and my question to Matthew has to be, did you guys not see that 32 bit plug ins load as non-scrolling written lists with drop down menus? Of course, because they don't scroll, they simply drop off the bottom of the app window with no way to access the parameters. The UAD Massive Passive for example simply disappears off the users screen.
You must have known about this, ....right?
And if you did, do you not think it might be a good idea to note somewhere that your customers might consider this a pretty serious issue?

(BTW, All the UAD and Waves plug-ins come from the same folder, and work perfectly, and are ultra-stable in Wavelab, so this relates strictly to issues Triumph brings to the table)

[antithesist]

Yikes, I was mostly just kidding about it possibly being a joke.

Edit: Maybe proper plug-in functionality is coming in 2.2. Also, I sort of get why it's starting out at 2.0, instead of 1.0. On the other hand, it doesn't seem right, if it's a ground-up rewrite.

[stinkyfingers]

im still waiting for them to fix that mess called Wave Editor...
these guys are slackers, big time...many many bugs reports and never a fix...
:(

[silverking]

You would think they'd get the basics down before releasing it. Many of these new features are built unto the Mac OS, not a lot on their part to tap into them.

But plug-ins without graphics?...........please

The app crashes shortly after you've loaded your second plug-in, so I guess they're working on that before they bother to fix the plug-in graphics.

[antithesist]

It's always seemed kind of like a "too many irons in the fire" affair to me with all the different desktop applications, ios apps, audiophile players, ear training, etc. and I think they do contract work, maybe like for cell phone audio or something.

That's all fine and I know you gotta hustle to make a living these days, but there's also maybe a tip toward the left side of the arrogant to humble scale, and it seems, much undone.

The thing that was most telling to me was their lack of activity in their own forums. There was a heavy heavyweight engineer/producer that I know that was patiently waiting for answers on something and finally gave up. Not that fame and skill should get you any preferential treatment, but I just use that as an example.

That said, there's some brilliant, cutting edge, very forward thinking work in there. It's funny though, the application I use the most is Backline, that's like $10. I use Sample Manager for batch sample rate conversion. I've done some crazy stuff with Rax, playing with the layers concept in Wave Editor and customizing meters in Spectre, but none of it is "front line" for me.

Although, I probably got my $278 (I looked it up) out of Studio Life plus the Backline DDP player over the years, and I guess I can at least say I'm a supporter. Do I want to make it $337.99?

[bendermastering]

Originally Posted by silverking

Triumph at this point in time seems a bug ridden affair.

All my UAD and Waves plug-ins (32 bit) load as a WRITTEN LIST with drop down menus, with no graphics whatsoever!
UNUSABLE!

After I got a few plugs to load as a list, then loading any plug-ins at all became impossible, and the app went into force quit mode until I quit, and duplicated the same process all over again.

I can see the thinking behind this app, and it could one day be impressive......but for now I can't even keep Triumph running.......and I guess 32 bit plug-ins lose all of their graphics.

I won't be buying Triumph until it's ready......it certainly doesn't seem ready yet. Even at $60.00, if it's unusable, what's the point?

.......and my question to Mathew has to be, did you guys not see that 32 bit plug ins load as non-scrolling written lists with drop down menus? Of course, because they don't scroll, they simply drop off the bottom of the app window with no way to access the parameters. The UAD Massive Passive for example simply disappears off the users screen.
You must have known about this, ....right?
And if you did, do you not think it might be a good idea to note somewhere that your customers might consider this a pretty serious issue?

(BTW, All the UAD and Waves plug-ins come from the same folder, and work perfectly, and are ultra-stable in Wavelab, so this relates strictly to issues Triumph brings to the table)

It's says in the manual you have to load Triumph as a 32bit app for 32 bit plugins to run. There's no 64 to 32 bridge on this.

Have you done that?

[silverking]

Done that, if you don't boot it as a 32 bit app, your 32 bit plug-ins just don't show up.

[Tarekith]

Yeah, like he just said, if you want to use 32bit plug in, you need to use the 32bit version of the app. Do that and it works fine, right? 64bit versions of plug ins work fine in the 64bit version of Triumph too. I don't see what the issue is???

So far I'm really digging Triumph, my only real complaint is lack of MP3 support now. Would be so nice to be able to render wav and MP3 versions of the master at once like you can with the other file formats.

[silverking]

First two words in my last post....."done that".
It doesn't "work fine".....it would be great if it did.

Booting the app in 32 bit mode loads 32 bit UAD and Waves plug-ins as text lists with drop down menus.....no graphics whatsoever.