Eliosound Air eq, has anyone tried yet?

[heathen]

I downloaded this eq demo the other day and I'm extremely impressed by the smoothness and musicality of this plugin, the cpu load is virtually zero, and the thing sounds great. I'm hoping some of the more experienced people in here can post a few comments on thier thoughts. I dig it as you can tell though the air function sounds like a gimmick, but the rest of the eq sounds sweet, I like the fact it has no freq graph, probably not the best for severe surgery but defineately a nice sweetning eq.

Heath

[iammusic]

hi there
i bought the AIR EQ 2 moth ago
and i'm more than happy
the quality of this EQ is amazing

i have nearly every TDM EQ
from sony mcdsp uad urs gml joemek waves psp etc...
but in a way - i like the air eq more than the rest

i use the air eq for tracking - mixing and mastering
its so easy to make a good sound with this tool
and it has zero delay - yeahhhh
it's not another EQ
it is my number one EQ
you really have to try it out
you will be surprised !!!!!!!!!!!

christian
chris

[Eliosound]

And the version 1.1 is released now..

AirEQ version 1.1

Download the demo version :

AirEQ 1.1 demo

Don't hesitate to post here your whishes for the next versions !!

We are always on the lookout for sound and ergonomics feelings and comments about AirEQ !

Fabrice,
Eliosound

[Ged Leitch]

Originally Posted by Eliosound

And the version 1.1 is released now..

AirEQ version 1.1

Download the demo version :

AirEQ 1.1 demo

Don't hesitate to post here your whishes for the next versions !!

We are always on the lookout for sound and ergonomics feelings and comments about AirEQ !

Fabrice,
Eliosound

Hi Fabrice,

just want to say, THANKS!!!

This is currently one of the best Plugin Equalizers i've used!

How do you do it????

The low mids and bottom on this are really smooth, even at Q's of 2

excellent work, by far the most "Undigital" sounding plugin i've heard!

[heathen]

M/S would be great.

[Ged Leitch]

oh, and please, whatever updates you do, please DONT put a EQ curve GUI on this!
keep it as is!
Too many eq's have this, i just want to listen and not look at curves.

Cheers,
Ged.

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by Ged Leitch

Hi Fabrice,
just want to say, THANKS!!!
This is currently one of the best Plugin Equalizers i've used!
How do you do it????
The low mids and bottom on this are really smooth, even at Q's of 2
excellent work, by far the most "Undigital" sounding plugin i've heard!

WOW ! Thanks a lot !!
In fact the more I use it in my mixes, the more I also love it ..
We simply tried to do our best for this EQ, to put all our music and DSP knowledge in its design, and it seems that other people than me also love the result !

Originally Posted by heathen

M/S would be great.

Added to the wishes list. M/S processing will require a GUI update, because Mid and Side channels must be selected separately, so I think it will be implemented in the version 1.5, or something like that.

Originally Posted by Ged Leitch

oh, and please, whatever updates you do, please DONT put a EQ curve GUI on this!
keep it as is!
Too many eq's have this, i just want to listen and not look at curves.
Cheers,
Ged.

NEVER EVER !! Don't be afraid, I had to assume the missing EQ curve when the first critics about AirEQ came out, but now people realize that EQ curve graphical display is the EQing public enemy number one !! LOL.
More seriously, I intentionnaly did not designed AirEQ with a curve display, because I know that it does not help to focus on the sound.

The first time you go back to an EQ without any curve display, you feel like a blind person..
But everyone knows that blind persons are more focused on what they hear...

Fabrice,
Eliosound

[Eliosound]

Hey,

just a few words to say that we launched a group buy for AirEQ..
The reduction of the price could reach up to 50% !!

Check out this page :

Eliosound AirEQ groupbuy


The more you are to buy, the less you pay !


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[joshelevator]

Ive been demoing this for a few weeks and I really like it. Amazing eq. Count me in on the groupbuy.

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by joshelevator

Ive been demoing this for a few weeks and I really like it. Amazing eq. Count me in on the groupbuy.

Thanks !!

If you know other forums where I can advertise with flash banners, don't hesitate to PM me !!
We will also make Paypal available in a few days, since some people asked us to do so.


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[powerestudio]

for the money I think it´s great thumbsup

[MASSIVE Master]

Originally Posted by heathen

M/S would be great.

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by heathen

M/S would be great.

Originally Posted by MASSIVE Master

And we are already working on it..
But it will take a little time to release, because we are designing the L/R and M/S modes in a way that it will be the most powerful and convenient possible..
I hope it will be great !




Fabrice,
Eliosound

[Ruudman]

What's new from the TDM front, Fabrice?

ruudman

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by Ruudman

What's new from the TDM front, Fabrice?

ruudman

Hey.. It's on the road !
But the TDM devopment is a long, very long delay issue !
It is not a "grab a wrapper" like development, I'm afraid..

But Digidesign is VERY implied in the TDM development, so they make the things easier for us..


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by Eliosound

Hey.. It's on the road !
But the TDM devopment is a long, very long delay issue !
It is not a "grab a wrapper" like development, I'm afraid..

But Digidesign is VERY implied in the TDM development, so they make the things easier for us..


Fabrice,
Eliosound

i would hope so...without it..nobody would buy there overpriced dsp priced bullshit

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

i would hope so...without it..nobody would buy there overpriced dsp priced bullshit

I believe that it is also the only way for the moment for rich professional to work with HUGE mixes without bouncing anything..
I love huge mixes, but I'm not rich..
(bouncing is not you friend)
Sometimes I am forced to bounce some reverbs when my CPU hits 110%.. lol.
(bouncing will drive you crazy)


Anyway, do not forget the groupbuy :
AirEQ Group Buy
And that now AirEQ is Universal Binary !


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by Eliosound

I believe that it is also the only way for the moment for rich professional to work with HUGE mixes without bouncing anything..
I love huge mixes, but I'm not rich..
(bouncing is not you friend)
Sometimes I am forced to bounce some reverbs when my CPU hits 110%.. lol.
(bouncing will drive you crazy)


Anyway, do not forget the groupbuy :
AirEQ Group Buy
And that now AirEQ is Universal Binary !


Fabrice,
Eliosound

for this - i agree
specially after watching charlie dye's mix it like a record

im just made cause i cant afford it

[powerestudio]

hi fabrice


dynamic eq on future ??

[MASSIVE Master]

Just joined the group buy...

[powerestudio]

another one thumbsup

[morebutter]

group buy looks interesting, though i dont understand the discount, quoting:

"The original price of AirEQ is €219/$269. The initial price of the group buy corresponds to the price with the maximum discount that a participant could obtain, i.e. 60%. Indeed, if the group buy reaches its maximum level, the first participants will get a 50% discount PLUS the additionnal discount of 10% accorded to the first 30 buyers. The maximum discount that can get the 31th to the 100th buyer could also be of 55%.

So, each participant will pay the initial group buy price of €87/$107, and the first participants will not have anthing to pay at the end of the groupbuy if it reaches its maximum level. They will have to pay the complement if the reduction has not reached the maximum level.

And each participant of the group buy will get his plugin after the end of the group buy, after he completed the price amount if it is needed."

Fabrice, could you explain how the discounting works more clearly? it seems from the group buy page,

https://www.eliosound.com/groupbuy

that the price of the aireq will be $107. is that the base price and then there is an additional discount once the group buy's participants are tallied, or will there be an additional cost once the participants are tallied? it seems like the latter from the website's explanation. group buys ive seen in the past have a retail price, say $100 and a chart say 10% off for ten people, 20% off for 20 people and so on but it seems your group buy works a bit differently. either way i will probably be joining in, just wanted to clear this up as it could be a bit confusing to some people such as myself.

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by morebutter

group buy looks interesting, though i dont understand the discount, quoting:

Fabrice, could you explain how the discounting works more clearly? it seems from the group buy page,

https://www.eliosound.com/groupbuy

that the price of the aireq will be $107. is that the base price and then there is an additional discount once the group buy's participants are tallied, or will there be an additional cost once the participants are tallied? it seems like the latter from the website's explanation. group buys ive seen in the past have a retail price, say $100 and a chart say 10% off for ten people, 20% off for 20 people and so on but it seems your group buy works a bit differently. either way i will probably be joining in, just wanted to clear this up as it could be a bit confusing to some people such as myself.

The original price of AirEQ is $269/€219, and the group buy reduction is applied to the original price.
i.e., the actual reduction amount is 30%, so the final price will be $188, and the actual buyers will get an additional reduction of 5%, so they will get AirEQ for $174. If the group buy reach 35%, the actual buyers will get AirEQ for $161.

At the end of the group buy, the participants will be asked to supplement the difference between the initial group buy price ($107) and the final group buy price.

I believe that most groupbuys works like this, i.e. there is an initial fee corresponding to the minimum price the first buyers would pay if the groupbuy reaches its maximum level.

I must admit that the original price is not mentionned on the group buy page, I will add this.

Hope this helps !


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[F5D]

I just participated in the group buy after testing the Air Eq more. It really sounds great (smooth). I also found out that you can use the Air Eq just as a low pass / high pass filter which sound really nice too. Maybe the best native eq plugin I've tried and when I load it in logic, my cpu meter doesn't say anything and I'm with dual 1.8GHz G5. So the eq is as light as URS eq's!

Everybody go and buy this thing now!
There's only 2 days left in the group buy and we get 35% off already.

[F5D]

I have 2 suggestions for the Air Eq plugin which I think should be easy to implement:

1) Expand the high pass filter frequency range from 10kHz to 20kHz. Currently it can go just 20-10 000Hz. The low pass filter can sweep from 20-20 000Hz already.

2) Upsampling mode which could be turned on/off for critical adjustments.

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by F5D

I have 2 suggestions for the Air Eq plugin which I think should be easy to implement:

Yes, please make suggestions ! It is the better way for us to improve our products !

Originally Posted by F5D

1) Expand the high pass filter frequency range from 10kHz to 20kHz. Currently it can go just 20-10 000Hz. The low pass filter can sweep from 20-20 000Hz already.

In fact we limited the High Pass frequency range because I found that having a high pass up to 20 kHz was not very useful. A the maximum frequency of 10kHz, there is very few energy which pass thought the filter, and we saw that at 20kHz, the filter gaves almost no sound at all. So I decided to limit the maximal frequency to 10kHz, so you can have more precision on the "useful" frequency range.
Anyway, if it may be useful for some users, we may give an option to go up to 20kHz.

Originally Posted by F5D

2) Upsampling mode which could be turned on/off for critical adjustments.

AirEQ does not need any upsampling.

In fact the equalization curves are already analog matched, and you have exactly the same curves and the same equalization quality at all sampling frequencies, even the lower ones (44.1 or 48 kHz). I would even say that the AirEQ equalization quality would be worse with oversampling, because oversampling introduces some high frequency roll off and/or ripple in the audio range, sometimes phase problems.. And I do not talked about processing delay and CPU load...


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[UnderTow]

Originally Posted by Eliosound

In fact we limited the High Pass frequency range because I found that having a high pass up to 20 kHz was not very useful. A the maximum frequency of 10kHz, there is very few energy which pass thought the filter, and we saw that at 20kHz, the filter gaves almost no sound at all. So I decided to limit the maximal frequency to 10kHz, so you can have more precision on the "useful" frequency range.
Anyway, if it may be useful for some users, we may give an option to go up to 20kHz.

A Hipass filter can be used as an effect with automation where a sound (or the whole mix) disapears upwards by automating the cutoff of a hipass filter. Never assume something like this is not usefull to someone out there.

Alistair

[morebutter]

Originally Posted by Eliosound

The original price of AirEQ is $269/€219, and the group buy reduction is applied to the original price.
i.e., the actual reduction amount is 30%, so the final price will be $188, and the actual buyers will get an additional reduction of 5%, so they will get AirEQ for $174. If the group buy reach 35%, the actual buyers will get AirEQ for $161.

At the end of the group buy, the participants will be asked to supplement the difference between the initial group buy price ($107) and the final group buy price.

I believe that most groupbuys works like this, i.e. there is an initial fee corresponding to the minimum price the first buyers would pay if the groupbuy reaches its maximum level.

I must admit that the original price is not mentionned on the group buy page, I will add this.

Hope this helps !


Fabrice,
Eliosound

got it! thanks for explaining.

[F5D]

Originally Posted by Eliosound

In fact we limited the High Pass frequency range because I found that having a high pass up to 20 kHz was not very useful. A the maximum frequency of 10kHz, there is very few energy which pass thought the filter, and we saw that at 20kHz, the filter gaves almost no sound at all. So I decided to limit the maximal frequency to 10kHz, so you can have more precision on the "useful" frequency range.
Anyway, if it may be useful for some users, we may give an option to go up to 20kHz.

Yes, please give us an option to be able to go up to 20kHz with the high pass filter!

I understand that using higher than 10kHz high pass filter settings is not very good idea when using the Air Eq just as an eq with static settings for an audio track (because not much goes thru) but if you use the Air Eq as a high pass filter and automate the high pass frequency you can do some nice fade ins and outs or special effects with the high pass filter. However, currently the high pass sweeps stop at 10kHz .

If I want to fade in a drumloop with low pass filter, it should already work well because the low pass filter can sweep from 20Hz to 20kHz (I guess it works well when using automation. I haven't been able to automate the cutoff frequency because I use only the demo.) But if I want to bring in a bassline for example, I usually use high pass filter and start the sweep from 20kHz that at first nothing goes thru the filter. So if you extended the high pass filter frequency range to 20kHz, the high pass filter could be better used for high pass sweeps, fade ins and outs.

[Eliosound]

Originally Posted by UnderTow

A Hipass filter can be used as an effect with automation where a sound (or the whole mix) disapears upwards by automating the cutoff of a hipass filter. Never assume something like this is not usefull to someone out there.
Alistair

Oh yes, I also use this effect !! (With AirEQ of course ! )
I used more this effect with the lowpass filter, but sometimes I also use the High Pass.
And I believe that since the first Daft Punk album, everybody uses this kind of filtering effect !

Originally Posted by F5D

Yes, please give us an option to be able to go up to 20kHz with the high pass filter!
[...]
If I want to fade in a drumloop with Low Pass filter, it should already work well because the low pass filter can sweep from 20Hz to 20kHz (I guess it works well when using automation. I haven't been able to automate the cutoff frequency because I use only the demo.) But if I want to bring in a bassline for example, I usually use high pass filter and start the sweep from 20kHz that at first nothing goes thru the filter.

In fact for the moment, AMLT does not allow to do very fast sweeps, as it can be done with a syntheziser's attacks or filter modulations. But for this rather "slow" kind of effect, I found AMLT filters to be perfect : the low pass really gently cut the low pass in an analog way, with the smooth and regular shape of a real analog Low Pass filter.

I personally replaced other "specialized" filters, intended to be used for this type of effect with AirEQ, because I found AirEQ to sound better for a whole range sweep.

So, ok, we will feature an option in a future update to allow the High Pass filter to go up to 20kHz.. But let us some time to implement the L/R mode which is on the way (and I hope it will be great, if some of you would tell me what they think about our L/R settings implementation, please PM me..).




Fabrice,
Eliosound