George Benson's "Give Me the Night"

[Sunbreak Music]

The accusonic recording process, of course. ;-)

[Waltz Mastering]

Originally Posted by Sunbreak Music

The accusonic recording process, of course. ;-)

A Bruce Swedien thing. He discusses it a bit in the new Tape Op.
Lots of stereo pairs.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug0...s/qa0804-5.htm

[scalawag]

Here's the full story:
>The Acusonic Recording Process<

[huejahfink]

... tune!

[CJ1973]

Still not much information on how the guitars were tracked....anyone know what chain was used etc?
Thx

[Nonlinear]

Originally Posted by CJ1973

Still not much information on how the guitars were tracked....anyone know what chain was used etc?
Thx

Yes, the Bruce Swedien info is a great start but there was some other "magic" involved here. Like I mentioned in my OP, the interlude sounds like it's out in front of the speakers. HUGE "3-D" effect.

I don't get that big of effect from a stereo mix even when boosting side channels a great deal. So ... ?

However it was done it sure sounds GREAT.

[Thor]

That's the sound of a room full of seasoned professionals doing their thing.

Thor

[CJ1973]

Seasoned pros would still be using gear right? Anyone know what type of gear?

[yeloocproducer]

Funny you should post about this, I just heard it in the car driving in LA for the first time in awhile and was really just knocked out by how good it sounds.

My favorite part is how they dry up the first half of the chorus to just a tight 70s sound... and then blow open the reverbs on "give me the night". Great arrangement / contrast in the mix.

[Alécio Costa]

Gimme The night for sure is on my top 10 list of favorite songs.

[Thor]

Pardon me for sounding jaded, but people keep asking stuff like this as if it makes a difference.

What guitar does Clapton play? Which ever one he wants ;-)

He'll still always sound like Clapton.

Put Swedien in a room and give him your mics and whatever gear you have, and I'll bet he'll still sound like him - not like you or your gear.

I know this is GearSlutz, but the constant focus on gear somehow making everything better or magically fixing things is really misplaced. Ears, experience, knowledge, etc make things better. Playing, writing, arranging, practicing and not least performing make things better.

As one of the worlds top engineers noted recently at an AES conference, the sh***iest Behringer gear today is 10x better than anything the Beatles had, yet pretty much everyone today sounds 10x worse than they did.

Food for thought?

(nothing personal, your post just gave me an excuse :-)

Thor

Originally Posted by CJ1973

Seasoned pros would still be using gear right? Anyone know what type of gear?

[MIKEHARRIS]

Bruce does own a Roland RSS...i know as i sold it to him.

I do not know if he used it on this project

[JEK3]

Originally Posted by Thor

As one of the worlds top engineers noted recently at an AES conference, the sh***iest Behringer gear today is 10x better than anything the Beatles had, yet pretty much everyone today sounds 10x worse than they did.

I understand your post and I agree with you, but I also believe some engineers should avoid saying this kind of BS, unless they want to trade their pultec's, LA2A's and 1176's with me for a couple of Behringers

[Waltz Mastering]

Originally Posted by Thor

As one of the worlds top engineers noted recently at an AES conference, the sh***iest Behringer gear today is 10x better than anything the Beatles had, yet pretty much everyone today sounds 10x worse than they did.

Food for thought?

..a Behringer pre is better than a Siemens/Tab V72s?
Behringer comp vs. EMI RS124, Altec 436 or 660?
I don't see it.

[Melgueil]

I saw GB and that band he had back in the day - Stanley Banks, Harvey Mason et al. A serious unit. Oh yeah, not to mention the leader. I mean, when you start out with talent like Benson, you`re half way there out of the gate.

Cdlt

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Waltz Mastering

..a Behringer pre is better than a Siemens/Tab V72s?
Behringer comp vs. EMI RS124, Altec 436 or 660?
I don't see it.

How about reading the spirit of the message, if not the letter. If people are going to pick nits, I'll go ahead and find the reference

[Waltz Mastering]

Originally Posted by Thor

How about reading the spirit of the message

I tried to. ..but even then .. it's no big thing. really

[CJ1973]

Originally Posted by Thor

As one of the worlds top engineers noted recently at an AES conference, the sh***iest Behringer gear today is 10x better than anything the Beatles had, yet pretty much everyone today sounds 10x worse than they did.

Food for thought?

(nothing personal, your post just gave me an excuse :-)

Thor

Technical or 'spirit', the idea of having Beatles as benchmark is great, but they don't define nor are the bible in terms of songwriting and I say this with all due respect to Lennon and McCartney. THey were the first to admit they were influenced by x,y and z. Just like Prince was by Jimi and James. Also, it's an insult to great songs of today with mass appeal that are well put together for the appropriate audience of 'today'.
She loves you, yeah yeah yeah She loves you, yeah yeah yeah She loves you, yeah yeah yeah yeah
ya know.. clever for sure, but it was relevant and is relevant today. So is something fun like Gangnam Style.
It's a shame when folks who have not kept up with what is 'current' just completely diss it... perhaps they got dissed by the classical folks when they got into rock back in the 50s?

[Melgueil]

Wasn`t this thread at some point way back when about a George Benson song.
Typical GS/BS meandering, now meaningless and miles away from OP`s post thread.

From Benson to Behringer to the Beatles.

Cdlt

[Winny Pooh]

Great stuff, reverbs are huge, song still doesn't sound crowded. The L & R image is insanely exaggerated on the backing vox (zero centre image) yet is sounds almost like one performance. (is that a trick or just close doubling?) You can hear how the stereo tracking gives space as you can localise the sound L & R due to hearing the differences in the softer opposite channel.

Amazing just how dynamic some parts are, the guitar jumps out so much on certain notes. Whereas a modern mixer would crush them to make every little bit audible.

Only bit I don't like is the kik volume in the dry bridges.

This is a song where you can really hear how modern comp & limiting styles actually make things sound more flat. Gonna try and get a Wav and listen some more on my studio monitors. Again, wow!