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Old 2nd October 2012   #1
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restauration problem..solution?

Hey guys,

I might need some help here..

I'm mastering a live-DVD for a very major artist here in Germany. The audio is as it is pre-limited and all that, no chance getting anything else, as often on those major projects.

There's a section with massive crackling noise, probably due to a bad cable on the bass guitar.

I'm only having minor success with my usual processes, which involve the typical decracklers, spectral editing, dispersion etc. It's a very busy section.

Actually being also in foresic audio, I'm quite good at this I think, but if anyone has a superb idea how to get rid of that 'fireworks', I'm thankful for all tips.

Cube-Tech's Spectrapolator-VPI might be good at this, but I don't have an AudioCube here.

Here's the file:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6294640/restauration.wav
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Why would anybody want to crush a DVD?

Well, spectral editing from something like Izotope RX would be the first thing I tried, but if you already tried it and didn't get anywhere, then there's probably not much (if anything) you can do. I'm assuming it's not happening in a repeat that you can copy & past a replacement.
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No idea what tools you have available but just a very brief pass on a section of the sample provided using NoNoise II Manual DeClick (pass with Background DeCrackler and then E-Type and B-Type for the worst sections) already has that section in an improved state.

It is time consuming since it's mostly a manual operation but the audio certainly is salvageable as clearly evidenced by only a brief audition.

Assuming you have budget allocated and can find someone with the time and NoNoise II, you should have a very usable result.

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No idea what tools you have available but just a very brief pass on a section of the sample provided using NoNoise II Manual DeClick (pass with Background DeCrackler and then E-Type and B-Type for the worst sections) already has that section in an improved state.

It is time consuming since it's mostly a manual operation but the audio certainly is salvageable as clearly evidenced by only a brief audition.

Assuming you have budget allocated and can find someone with the time and NoNoise II, you should have a very usable result.

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Reynaud, I'm interested in what your improved state would be.

I got it better as well, not enough for my liking though.

Drop me a PM, I'd love to hear your result (of course you can beep it or whatever so that I can't use it.)

Depending on the result, I might have the budget for it.
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Why would anybody want to crush a DVD?

Well, spectral editing from something like Izotope RX would be the first thing I tried, but if you already tried it and didn't get anywhere, then there's probably not much (if anything) you can do. I'm assuming it's not happening in a repeat that you can copy & past a replacement.
Well, spectral editing improves it, but not enough for my liking.

No, I can't copy & paste on that section. I already did that where it was possible.
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Don't want to break balls if English isn't your first language but the word is restoration.
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Don't want to break balls if English isn't your first language but the word is restoration.
Ha, actually in German as well..
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For anyone having a look, one particular problem why this is so difficult is that this is not your normal digital crackling. It was a fault in the backline, so that crackling is also on the PA-bleed (esp. the subs), which is quite loud (what I generally like, I hate DVD-mixes that sound like studio recordings).

Since that gig was on the main stage of one of the biggest festivals worldwide, you can imagine that those 'crackles' are quite long in the subbass-region.

Hmm.. might have to live with it..
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You can mail the distorted part to me and i hope that i can manually remove the distortion.
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You can mail the distorted part to me and i hope that i can manually remove the distortion.
Any secrets you have going for you?

Actually I got rid of most of the super-offending stuff myself using spectral repair.
As I said, I'm quite experienced with that myself.

If you think you have super wizardry going that I cannot compete with myself, feel free to try with the sample in in the OP.

Of course you can beep it /whatever so you can be sure I don't use it.

I'm on a tight deadline plus the gig is paid by the hour and I'm close to the maximum budget, so I'll probably leave it as far as I could do it, but thanks anyway! Appreciated.
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Try Click Repair: www.clickrepair.net , it has Decrackle function. Beats anything I know from Waves or anyone else, plus is cheap! $40
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Try Click Repair: Resurrect your old recordings | Audio Restoration | Brian Davies , it has Decrackle function. Beats anything I know from Waves or anyone else, plus is cheap! $40
Well, the deadline was 5 days ago, but thanks anyway.

Turned out OK after heavy spectral editing. Took some hours, but at >100€/h that was OK with me.

Thanks for all suggestions!
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