24th August 2012
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#1 | | Gear Head
Joined: Apr 2012
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Thread Starter | Mastering review and techniques
Hi mates, I need some feedback and advice on this mastering am doing, unfortunately I dont really like how the mix sounds at all so I have to use some M/S techniques to try to correct it, and now I realized that theres some werid overs showing up after the soft clip and the lim that am using at the end of the chain, any idea of how fix that? cheers
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24th August 2012
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#2 | | Gear Head
Joined: Apr 2012
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Here is a little sample of the final mastering of one song, please advice, help, anyone hear any distortion? overs? any mistake? I used a m/s technique using 2 channels in Logic with the Waves M/S plug in and then summing that into a bus with the same plug in, I use different EQs on the M and S channels, specially removing some bass on the side and relaxing some mids as well and trying to get a stronger bass on the M and then on the bus I used the DUY Tape plug in plus some C4 and then on the master I use Linear phase EQ just for a basic high and low pass filters then Decapitator with EMI mode to add some air and analoge feel and then Waves Fairchild only reducing around 1dB RMS and then Sonnox Lim no safe Mode, Rcomp only for soft clip effect, no reduction at all, and then the Adaptive Lim plus Dither.
any opinions on techniques and sound please?
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24th August 2012
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#3 | | Gear Head
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any opinion please? specially about dynamics and level, overs? please |
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25th August 2012
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#4 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2009 Location: Boise, Idaho
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Patience, my child. Not everybody in the know can check to see how they can help somebody for free ten times a day.
First I must ask, is this your mix? If so, remix it till you're happy with it. If it's not your mix, is the client happy with the mix? If so, leave it alone and just do some slight retouches here & there for overall tone & feel. If they're not happy with it, can they remix? If so, a gentle bit of guidance may be all they need to get a great mix. If they cannot remix, then it's time to pull some tricks.
There's not much you can do about clipping, which is REALLY bad in this. There's clipping in the raw tracks, meaning it should actually be rerecorded, there's more clipping on the overall mix and there's hard limiting as well. With how much damage has happened here, I'd personally say "no thanks" to this project. If you insist on giving it a shot, I'd suggest a declipping algorithm such as that in iZotope RN, followed by an expander. You may need to roll off a tiny bit of the extreme high end for where it's really bad. Needless to say, there isn't much you can do to help this mix in the mastering stage in regards to the mixer crushing the life out of it or in the overall balance, which really isn't that bad IMO.
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25th August 2012
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#5 | | Gear Head
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Thanks wado, its not my mix, a mixing engineer mixed it and the producer is happy with that but they cant remix it, anyway, they r really happy with my mastering, with everything but I just realized that after my mastering, when I check the Dorought meter theres no Overs at all but after the bounce I checked the meter again in a new session and theres few overs on the mastering file...
I dont know if thats normal or am doing something wrong
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25th August 2012
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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Make sure you leave a little headroom and call it good then. It's such a painfully distorted mix, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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25th August 2012
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#7 | | Gear Head
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which mix? what u r hearing are my mastering LOL
please listen to the second sample, thats my final mastering, they r happy with that, advice on that please
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25th August 2012
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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I only listened to the mix. Having heard the master just now, I noticed that #1, the master is actually a little lower level than the mix, which shows that they really don't need to be trying for maximum level in the mix after all, considering they like what you did. I see you tamed the low end a little, which is good. If they're happy with it, then you did the right thing because their opinion is the only one that counts. Ultimately, I think you did about the best you could considering how badly damaged the mix is.
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25th August 2012
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#9 | | Gear Head
Joined: Apr 2012
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Fair enough, so we could say that the mastering is decent? considering that is gonna be played on radios and clubs?
By the way, why u consider the mix so damage? can u explain that to me in a technical way,please?
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