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Old 17th July 2012   #1
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Help explain Eagles "Hell Freezes Over" mastering...

SPARS code mentions it is an ADD recording.....and the documentary mentions, analog tape as the original source.

I believe it went to digital tape for editing and I assume mixing as well.

Question is, did it go back to analog tape at any point or was it mastered from digital? I'm assuming how the CD was mastered is probably how the LP was as well.

I believe Steely Dan did this on their last album as well. I'm guessing analog tape for initial recording to get the tape sound, and then digital for convenience although I wonder why use digital tape at all once you've started with analog?

I guess what I'm asking is how is digital tape easier from an editing point of view than analog? I'd assume you'd go to a DAW.

Besides just loving the trivia behind classic recordings, given the $300-500 street value of this LP, a lot of expectations are naturally in order. While I've enjoyed many a full digital recording on LP ("Brothers in Arms", "Nightfly"), to me they still don't have the magic of a pure analog recording.

I'm trying to figure out if the LP cut of this record will have more of the analog juices than the digital ones. :D
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OK, now trying to decipher the original Geffen pressing vs. the Simply Vinyl pressing four years later....
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some discussion of the label here:

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Digital tape is not easier to edit per say, but does allow 48 tracks instead of 24. This allows them to do overdubs and punch in corrections without erasing the original. It is highly unlikely that they would copy the digital tape back to analogue. Taking recordings down extra generations for the sake of it is a very recent trend. Another cool thing DASHes would do is allow you to do real time comp tracks without losing quality. So like, if you have a live background vocal that's a little out of tune on one note, you can record a replacement on another track, then comp them to yet a third, using ONLY the needed replacement note. This comp is done entirely with the internal digital architecture of the tape recorder and aside from a 10ms crossfade, the results are identical to the original.

I cannot speak for the CD vs. vinyl mastering process because that would require buying both and comparing, or at the very least, getting to know the mastering engineer personally. Most likely, it was mixed to digital stereo straight off the 48-track DASH to stereo DASH, then mastered to whatever the acceptable digital medium of the week was. A glass master would have been made off of that and most likely the lacquer master as well. The "proper" way would be to make the lacquer master directly off of the mix tape, but your guess is as good as mine on whether or not this was done. If the latter is true, you can expect a slightly more natural sound, but that's not a guarantee.

On Steely Dan, I believe their preferred method is to record on analogue, then make a digital slave. The slave is used for overdubs and the final mix is done by locking the slave to the original and using 1st generation tracks as much as possible. I don't follow them, so don't quote me on that.

One more thing about DASHes. You can fly tracks onto a second machine, then back to a different part of the source tape losslessly (is that a word?). This allows you to take, say, a guitar riff that was done better in the second verse and copy it to the first verse. There's a lot of cool tricks they allowed before MDMs and DAWs were the thing to use.
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While I've enjoyed many a full digital recording on LP ("Brothers in Arms", "Nightfly"), to me they still don't have the magic of a pure analog recording.
Those are not "full digital" recordings in the way we use that term today. They didn't have digital mixing the way we do now. Those recordings simply used a digital multitrack, mixed thru an ANALOG console, then captured on another digital deck. The actual mixing process was not digital.
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