What are your favorite mastering speakers?

[Petrus]

Originally Posted by Matt R

I'm just wondering, where would you put the Adam A7X's as compared to a set of mastering speakers? What is it you personally use or have used? So far, the only speakers I've had extensive studio work with are older Genelecs, Adam A7X's, and the Yamaha HS50's (which I don't like at all). I'm interested in where you feel the A7X's stand.

For near field they work splendidly, but of course have no real bass.

Actually my present system started with A7, which I bought for nearfields after reading loads of praise about them. They sounded so good that I threw away my mains (custom made things, not altogether bad at all) and used the A7s for a while, with the big Genelec sub. Next came the S3As and A7 went back to nearfield duty. S3As did not after all have enough SPL, and when I got a good deal on those PMC IB2S I upgraded to those. I think my upgrading is now over... (see my previous post). But it all started with those darn (good) A7s.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by bendermastering

You're definitely entitled to your opinion and no point in arguing with it.

You can argue with me as long as the earth keeps turning. So please argue. It's an internet forum, arguing is for free.

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[George Necola]

Originally Posted by Matt R

I'm just wondering, where would you put the Adam A7X's as compared to a set of mastering speakers? What is it you personally use or have used? So far, the only speakers I've had extensive studio work with are older Genelecs, Adam A7X's, and the Yamaha HS50's (which I don't like at all). I'm interested in where you feel the A7X's stand.

A7x are ok nearfields. A mastering speaker is usually installed within an acoustic system espacially designed for this room where the speakers are installed.

And yes you can master on all speakers if you know them
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[parisminzer]

Originally Posted by Petrus

Same here, beefed up by Genelec 7071A sub. NAD208 amp for the PMCs, control with Avocet.

Interesting. I tried the IB2's and my only gripe was the thinner bass compared to the IB1's

Thumbsup

[Petrus]

Originally Posted by parisminzer

Interesting. I tried the IB2's and my only gripe was the thinner bass compared to the IB1's

Thumbsup

Strange, they both have the same bass driver and transmission line, they should be identical below 350 Hz (if I remember correctly the crossover frequency). I like and do organ recordings and want the bass perfect, IB2S has fine bass, but below 30 Hz practically all decently sized and priced speakers are lacking, if you want them loud also. I do.

[aszacca]

Anyone would give a chance to Chris Pelonis 4288 monitor system?
They are big..cheap..full-range..linear..and coaxial..
Dont have the way to audition em yet,but im very interested..
I think it would be a choice..
Any opinion?

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by aszacca

Anyone would give a chance to Chris Pelonis 4288 monitor system?
They are big..cheap..full-range..linear..and coaxial..
Dont have the way to audition em yet,but im very interested..
I think it would be a choice..
Any opinion?

I heard them at musikmesse. They sounded weird on the show floor.

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[polybonk]

So what do you like as a mastering speaker George?

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by polybonk

So what do you like as a mastering speaker George?

Whatever works for the mastering guy.

ATC 150 and up
Dynaudio C4
Tannoy (the huge old ones)
... Tbc forever

There is a reason why there are so many different speakers. Taste varies.

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[bendermastering]

Originally Posted by George Necola

Whatever works for the mastering guy.

There is a reason why there are so many different speakers. Taste varies.

Yet you think a pair of SM9 isn't mastering grade.

We've seen guys doing great mastering work on almost every type of speaker, don't confuse not liking something with saying it is not good.

[bmanic]

Originally Posted by George Necola

And yes you can master on all speakers if you know them

This is true and probably the most important thing to realize. However, I do think for proper mastering, you do need a full range system. The more I've done mastering work over the past decade the more I've come to realize that compromising the low octaves is not a good idea. I used to be very worried about impulse response and having only a single subwoofer but somehow I've gotten used to not having a good system in this regard.

A lot of problems with today's home mixes are in those last octaves, especially when people want loud masters. It's a tricky thing to know where and what to cut/boost while still getting a loud master without loosing too much bass.

Especially the rap/r&b/dance guys want it both loud AND bass heavy. Without the full range I think it's nearly impossible to achieve consistently and fast.

Sure, one can use multiple sources of reference like headphones, car, club etc. but that's not what I'd call effective work.

If/when I go fully mastering pro (doing only mastering) I think it will be time to invest in a proper high-end, non-ported, full range system. At the moment though, it's way out of my budget so I'll have to make do with the genelec 8k series + sub.

Cheers!

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by bendermastering

Yet you think a pair of SM9 isn't mastering grade.

We've seen guys doing great mastering work on almost every type of speaker, don't confuse not liking something with saying it is not good.

Yes. Passive radiator design --> funny lowend. It's physics.

It has nothing to do with like or don't like. The SM9 might work for some people. I prefer 75 c, not 75 a with inlays.

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[bendermastering]

Originally Posted by George Necola

Yes. Passive radiator design --> funny lowend. It's physics.

Can you elaborate a little more on that, if you don't mind? What do you mean about funny low end? How and why a passive radiator design produces "funny lowend"?

Tell us about the physics please..

[tomdarude]

my two favorite speaker systems on the planet at the moment:

Grimm Audio LS1 + Grimm sub (3-way system)

Strauss MF-2 + Mola Mola monoblocks (Hypex NCore) + Bricasti M1 DAC

[funtez]

Originally Posted by tomdarude

my two favorite speaker systems on the planet at the moment:

Grimm Audio LS1 + Grimm sub (3-way system)

Strauss MF-2 + Mola Mola monoblocks (Hypex NCore) + Bricasti M1 DAC

Wow you have tested the mola mola!?? More info please!!

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by tomdarude

my two favorite speaker systems on the planet at the moment:

Grimm Audio LS1 + Grimm sub (3-way system)

Strauss MF-2 + Mola Mola monoblocks (Hypex NCore) + Bricasti M1 DAC

Tom is a Grimm audio dealer btw.

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[George Necola]

Originally Posted by bendermastering

Can you elaborate a little more on that, if you don't mind? What do you mean about funny low end? How and why a passive radiator design produces "funny lowend"?

Tell us about the physics please..

Yes I can. But I got no time.

Use google. Passive radiator construction or problems or lowend or...

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[thermos]

Ah the power of the Internet. I bought a pair of Tyler Acoustics MM5. I'll report back.

[polybonk]

Originally Posted by George Necola

Yes I can. But I got no time.

Use google. Passive radiator construction or problems or lowend or...

George, other than having expectation of "funny low end", I am curious to know, what did you actually hear?

[Twerk]

Originally Posted by thermos

Ah the power of the Internet. I bought a pair of Tyler Acoustics MM5. I'll report back.

Congrats! I'm really curious as to how those sound. I ended up with D1's as I felt the MM5 might be a tad too small for me, but I have a feeling the MM5's are plenty adequate for the task. Please report back!

[thermos]

Originally Posted by Twerk

Congrats! I'm really curious as to how those sound. I ended up with D1's as I felt the MM5 might be a tad too small for me, but I have a feeling the MM5's are plenty adequate for the task. Please report back!

They have the same specs as the D1s (28hz-20k), but Ty definitely said he thinks the D1s sound bigger/better. I scored his demo pair off of audiogon for $2,600 shipped with stands. I just had to.

[Brad Blackwood]

Nine-plus years on the B&W N802s, no complaints. Will probably have to replace them some day, but they still sound jaw dropping my room.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by polybonk

George, other than having expectation of "funny low end", I am curious to know, what did you actually hear?

Pm me

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[George Necola]

After much pm discussion with several members, we have come to the following conclusion:
- room/monitors interact as a system. Some work better then others, depending on the room.
- people adjust to the situation. That means with the right mindset and expierence NS10 + headphones work in your untreted garage.
- I met several Focal users working mainly with electronic/pop oriented and or HIP HOP/rnb music. Somehow it works for them
- guitar oriented, dense rock and metal music seems not to work on them. (as it my expierence as well).

I hope everyone rests in peace with their favourite speakers.


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[studjo]

Originally Posted by George Necola

After much pm discussion with several members, we have come to the following conclusion:
- room/monitors interact as a system. Some work better then others, depending on the room.
- people adjust to the situation. That means with the right mindset and expierence NS10 + headphones work in your untreted garage.
- I met several Focal users working mainly with electronic/pop oriented and or HIP HOP/rnb music. Somehow it works for them
- guitar oriented, dense rock and metal music seems not to work on them. (as it my expierence as well).

I hope everyone rests in peace with their favourite speakers.


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perhaps you should discuss some more

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by studjo

perhaps you should discuss some more

We can discuss until the internet dies, mr Focal SM11 fanboy.

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[studjo]

I remember a time when you wanted to sell me some Focals - strange isn't it?

[George Necola]

Yes sm8. No body wanted them.

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[bendermastering]

Originally Posted by studjo

I remember a time when you wanted to sell me some Focals - strange isn't it?

That is funny!

So George is a dealer, that explains a lot...

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by bendermastering

That is funny!

So George is a dealer, that explains a lot...

George was one. Professionaly. Www.audistro.ch

Now I sell a shitload of stuff on my own. I can sell you sm9 too. No worries.

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