getting to the master mix,To bounce or not to bounce is the ????

billydrummerboy · 15th May 2006

Ok
I’m self taught and learning every day, I have a Gs3000 mixing counsel with two 896’s from Moto with a G5 dual 2.7 also have Uad,Ozone, Nomad Factory, Altie Verb, plugs. Ok I track through the GS3000 to my 896's, Now it's time to mix the project, I’m ready to bounce my Pre Master Mix to disk to a AIFF FILE--- orrrrrrrr!-- should I come back through the board again with that Mix and re- record to the 896 again to a stereo track and then add my Mastering Plugs to that track and then bounce my Master Mix. This would only be One Bounce in the process to the master mix. Would this be the right way with my setup.
Hope this makes sense

Thanks
Billy

frontierfran · 15th May 2006

If you dont have a master recorder, like a masterlink or tascam (or 2 track tape

), then you probably want to go back into the MOTU after mixing on the board like you mentioned, to utilize your mastering plugins. and even if you DID have a master recorder, you still might want to go back in the box to use plugs, assuming you dont have any decent outboard mastering gear.

you will hear from many on this board about making multiple passes through converters and its potential to degrade signals. I will also agree with that, so I try and keep the AD/DA passes to a minimum.

I have a similar setup. I use a MOTU 24 i/o, and I track everything through a Soundtracs Topaz 24 channel console then into the 24 i/o. i edit in the box, using DP and PT, then back out again to mix on the board. i have a couple comps for the mix bus for my topaz, and a Masterlink to mixdown to. Ill leave the REAL mastering to a masterhouse from then on out, unless im in a pinch. I can bring the track back into the box from the masterlink to use some Mastering plug ins.

Sounds like you have some nice plug ins, so you should play around with doing more out of the box vs. more ITB, and see what you prefer.

mixerguy · 18th May 2006

have a pro do your mastering.

pingu · 18th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixerguy

have a pro do your mastering.

Im so sick of responses like this.

crna59 · 18th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by pingu

Im so sick of responses like this.

Yeah, the truth sometimes hurts!

Regards,

pingu · 18th May 2006

How did you learn then?

cap217 · 18th May 2006

I dont want anyone here to get an attitude towards me but....

A mastering engineer knows what they are doing! I have said I could master a project and I do my best with a lot of gear and great ears but, I dont come close to what a ME does! Try this, do your best mastering job then send a track to get mastered and hear the difference... it is absolutly amazing!

pingu · 18th May 2006

bah.

each to his own

this guy comes on looking for help and he gets told to let someone else do it.

MASSIVE Master · 18th May 2006

I'm almost getting a little confused up there, but just in case -

I'd try to avoid going *through the console* a second time.

If you're going to take a whack at it, do the mixes and forget about them for a while. Then open them up and start as "fresh" as you can ITB.

Of course, if you find out that substantial changes are being made, revisit the mixes - Otherwise, you're just second-guessing your own mixes (which is one reason why M.E.'s tend to not master their own mixes).

billydrummerboy · 23rd May 2006

Ok ! Ok!
I'm not trying to mastering for the BIgggg Boys! Only Giving my Clients A little Something for there money . And it also helps me check to see if my mix is were it should be. It's aaaaaa learning Curve.

Anyway's Thanks

Billy

15th May 2006	#1
billydrummerboy Gear interested Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15 Thread Starter	getting to the master mix,To bounce or not to bounce is the ???? Ok I’m self taught and learning every day, I have a Gs3000 mixing counsel with two 896’s from Moto with a G5 dual 2.7 also have Uad,Ozone, Nomad Factory, Altie Verb, plugs. Ok I track through the GS3000 to my 896's, Now it's time to mix the project, I’m ready to bounce my Pre Master Mix to disk to a AIFF FILE--- orrrrrrrr!-- should I come back through the board again with that Mix and re- record to the 896 again to a stereo track and then add my Mastering Plugs to that track and then bounce my Master Mix. This would only be One Bounce in the process to the master mix. Would this be the right way with my setup. Hope this makes sense Thanks Billy

15th May 2006	#2
frontierfran Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Philly Posts: 393	... If you dont have a master recorder, like a masterlink or tascam (or 2 track tape ), then you probably want to go back into the MOTU after mixing on the board like you mentioned, to utilize your mastering plugins. and even if you DID have a master recorder, you still might want to go back in the box to use plugs, assuming you dont have any decent outboard mastering gear. you will hear from many on this board about making multiple passes through converters and its potential to degrade signals. I will also agree with that, so I try and keep the AD/DA passes to a minimum. I have a similar setup. I use a MOTU 24 i/o, and I track everything through a Soundtracs Topaz 24 channel console then into the 24 i/o. i edit in the box, using DP and PT, then back out again to mix on the board. i have a couple comps for the mix bus for my topaz, and a Masterlink to mixdown to. Ill leave the REAL mastering to a masterhouse from then on out, unless im in a pinch. I can bring the track back into the box from the masterlink to use some Mastering plug ins. Sounds like you have some nice plug ins, so you should play around with doing more out of the box vs. more ITB, and see what you prefer. __________________ _____________________________ Frontier Sound Solutions The Everthere Music https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-E...16265815092624

18th May 2006	#9
MASSIVE Master Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago (Schaumburg / Hoffman Est.) IL Posts: 2,632 Verified Member	I'm almost getting a little confused up there, but just in case - I'd try to avoid going through the console a second time. If you're going to take a whack at it, do the mixes and forget about them for a while. Then open them up and start as "fresh" as you can ITB. Of course, if you find out that substantial changes are being made, revisit the mixes - Otherwise, you're just second-guessing your own mixes (which is one reason why M.E.'s tend to not master their own mixes). __________________ John Scrip - Massive Mastering, LLC - www.massivemastering.com Spoon-feed a newb some answer and he'll mix for a day - Get him to think about it and figure it out for himself and he'll mix for a lifetime --- JS

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